[Locked] Jacob is a huge jerk.

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RoseTintedGoggles wrote...
Pyre wrote...
RoseTintedGoggles wrote...
Spoiler:
Pyre wrote...
RoseTintedGoggles wrote...
Lughost wrote...
RoseTintedGoggles wrote...
Pyre wrote...
RoseTintedGoggles wrote...
Pyre wrote...
RoseTintedGoggles wrote...
I understand what blind sheep are.


Do you also understand what logical fallacies are? Because if you do, you should stop using them, they only make your argument less viable.


Yes, you win the argument. It was really convincing.


The argument was over before it even began.


Do you feel good now?


You are entertaining. Keep on being you. Please.


Yes, your post count dictates that you are right.


If you knew anything about our community, especially this section in particular, you would realize none of us give a single fuck about reputation or post count; hell we abuse the system to lower our counts for shits and giggles.

Is that why you called your community intelligent and smart?


No, and I wasn't referring to the entire community, learn to follow context.


Hopefully calling yourself smart will make it true one day. I wish the best for you.


Hopefully you'll learn to come to your own conclusions some day instead of following a hive mind mentality.
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Pyre wrote...
RoseTintedGoggles wrote...
Pyre wrote...
RoseTintedGoggles wrote...
Spoiler:
Pyre wrote...
RoseTintedGoggles wrote...
Lughost wrote...
RoseTintedGoggles wrote...
Pyre wrote...
RoseTintedGoggles wrote...
Pyre wrote...
RoseTintedGoggles wrote...
I understand what blind sheep are.


Do you also understand what logical fallacies are? Because if you do, you should stop using them, they only make your argument less viable.


Yes, you win the argument. It was really convincing.


The argument was over before it even began.


Do you feel good now?


You are entertaining. Keep on being you. Please.


Yes, your post count dictates that you are right.


If you knew anything about our community, especially this section in particular, you would realize none of us give a single fuck about reputation or post count; hell we abuse the system to lower our counts for shits and giggles.

Is that why you called your community intelligent and smart?


No, and I wasn't referring to the entire community, learn to follow context.


Hopefully calling yourself smart will make it true one day. I wish the best for you.


Hopefully you'll learn to come to your own conclusions some day instead of following a hive mind mentality.


Yes, Jacob did nothing wrong. Ancient Egyptians are behind this.
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Waar FAKKU Moderator
yusonames wrote...
You actually have every reason to lie to us, I'm not so sure you are as i was last night, but acting like you couldn't have a reason to lie to us is just being dumb.
You need to not let jacob handle anything PR related anymore, he is abysmal at it, and caught himself in multiple lies, and mis worded several things, aswell as a lack of clarification.


I really don't, I'm not paid by this site, I don't rise and fall with it. I'm just a guy on the forums like you who has a bit more power.

I don't have any say in what Jake does, if he were to ever "hire" me as a Public Relations guy I would do my best to handle some of the stuff you saw last night but as for lies, I really didn't see any. He didnt send takedowns, EX's galleries aren't deleted, EX themselves moved/took them down and while the owners of EX may "suspect certain people" of informing comments like those are salty salvos meant to enrage the public.

I'm not saying what EX did was a bad move, or displeased with them. It was brilliant; they turned the pirate community against a competitor while protecting themselves legally, win-win.
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Lughost the Lugoat
RoseTintedGoggles wrote...
Pyre wrote...
RoseTintedGoggles wrote...
Pyre wrote...
RoseTintedGoggles wrote...
Spoiler:
Pyre wrote...
RoseTintedGoggles wrote...
Lughost wrote...
RoseTintedGoggles wrote...
Pyre wrote...
RoseTintedGoggles wrote...
Pyre wrote...
RoseTintedGoggles wrote...
I understand what blind sheep are.


Do you also understand what logical fallacies are? Because if you do, you should stop using them, they only make your argument less viable.


Yes, you win the argument. It was really convincing.


The argument was over before it even began.


Do you feel good now?


You are entertaining. Keep on being you. Please.


Yes, your post count dictates that you are right.


If you knew anything about our community, especially this section in particular, you would realize none of us give a single fuck about reputation or post count; hell we abuse the system to lower our counts for shits and giggles.

Is that why you called your community intelligent and smart?


No, and I wasn't referring to the entire community, learn to follow context.


Hopefully calling yourself smart will make it true one day. I wish the best for you.


Hopefully you'll learn to come to your own conclusions some day instead of following a hive mind mentality.


Yes, Jacob did nothing wrong. Ancient Egyptians are behind this.


So you discovered the truth too!?
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mfw Fakku gets ddos'd and nobody can tell because the site barely works anyway.

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623 FAKKU QA
Sneakyone wrote...
mfw Fakku gets ddos'd and nobody can tell because the site barely works anyway.

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I tried to go on this morning and it wasn't working and I was thinking this same thing.
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623 wrote...
Sneakyone wrote...
mfw Fakku gets ddos'd and nobody can tell because the site barely works anyway.

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I tried to go on this morning and it wasn't working and I was thinking this same thing.


Thirded xD
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devsonfire 3,000,000th Poster
Sneakyone wrote...
mfw Fakku gets ddos'd and nobody can tell because the site barely works anyway.

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Heh, ikr. Thought it was the usual maintenancd.
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Lughost the Lugoat
Callonia wrote...
623 wrote...
Sneakyone wrote...
mfw Fakku gets ddos'd and nobody can tell because the site barely works anyway.

Forum Image: http://a.pomf.se/ycrqcm.png


I tried to go on this morning and it wasn't working and I was thinking this same thing.


Thirded xD


I figured that's what it was but I had no way to be sure it wasn't broken like always.
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Sneakyone wrote...
mfw Fakku gets ddos'd and nobody can tell because the site barely works anyway.

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This gave me a pretty good laugh as well.
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Waar FAKKU Moderator
Alright, lets stop with the broad sweeping generalizations. There are people on /a/ who know what they're about.

This post deserves a reply. These are valid points so I will try to offer what little information I have.

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Minikai wrote...
I've visited ExHentai on a regular basis for several years now, and during my times there's I've discovered and held an interest in hundreds of artists. The recent happenings between Jacob and Exhentai has affected, at most, a mere 1% of all my stuff; so for the most part, what's happened has mostly done nothing to me. And I don't personally care either way. In fact, I save just about everything I really like, so even those that got taken down, I still have.

Be that as it may, you have to be able to look at this from the other side to understand why the majority of the community is in a complete uproar. While there is admittedly a large chunk that are just upset because it means they won't get their free doujins in such an easily accessible way anymore, let's set that group aside and look at the other factors involved that are upsetting people.

First: The markup. Fakku is, for all intents and purposes, a business. The goal of a business, is profit. People get that. What people don't get is why Jacob and co. has the prices of whatever it is they're trying to sell marked up so significantly that it's like you're trying to gouge their wallets. For a large majority of doujinshi that one could buy at an event such as Comiket, the cost for a single work is usually around ¥500-¥750 (that's about $4.90-$7.30 at current exchange rates). Take that same book, and grab it from Fakku's Store and the cost is, on average, around $30 (or about ¥3050). That's practically a 500% markup! Well, it's understandable that some works may be part of an anthology (such as, for example, Wanimagazine, so they would get royalties on applicable titles), and that of course, being a business, Fakku would need to somehow profit off each sale as well, since they're the middleman between the consumer and the artist, but really now. Nearly five-hundred percent? Why so much?


Second: It's redundant. This is the internet; try as hard as you might, you cannot erase things as easily as you may think. Every single work that was taken down, and every single work that has yet to even be released that is on Fakku's hit list, is not going anywhere. They will be available in some form, somewhere, at all times, for free, and it just simply is not something that Fakku can do something about. You've removed series A from website B? Well that's okay, because now there's websites C and D! Oh, you banned series X from website Y? Guess we'll go try out that new website Z that just started up. You get the idea. So the question then becomes why bother? All you do by pursuing this is piss off the masses who in turn, as you've seen, lash back.


Third: Jacob's apparent attitude on the whole issue. In light of recent events he's given off this image that he just doesn't give a flying fuck about the world outside of Fakku. He knows that doing this creates a burden and great inconvenience upon hundreds of thousands of people who were using the Exhentai website. Instead of being empathetic and humble, and saying that he's sorry for the inconveniences that he's causing, but that business is business, he instead does really stupid shit like going to 4chan and purposefully trying to pick fights with people. What did that accomplish? The answer is nothing, unless your goal was to intentionally piss people off, which if it was, then congrats, you definitely succeeded there. If I'm wrong though, then by all means explain it.



There's more that could be done like Jacob and Tenboro both clarifying their sides of the story with proof of involvement or non-involvement (Jacob can claim to not be involved in this, but I can also claim that I've discovered the cure to cancer; doesn't necessarily make it true). Both parties involved need to be more open with the public on what the series of events has been, or shit like this is just going to continue to fester and build up, and it will eventually reach a tipping point where something bad might happen.

Like I said before, this change barely affects me, but it does affect a lot of other people, and if people remain ignorant to both sides of the argument, nothing is going to be solved.


Ill start by saying I also visited ex on a regular basis and will most likely continue to do so for any artists that are not connected to wani. Understand that I am not paid to say any of this; so I, like you, am simply someone who loves hentai and like the fact that I don't have to pay for it. I see both sides of the argument.

First: I want to clarify some things about this point, the current price of books on the site are for the stock that Jake brought back from Japan himself. So he paid that 5-15 dollar price first, then paid to have them shipped over(more expensive than sites like amazon). I don't know what he plans to charge for the upcoming releases but the prices you see now have different costs involved. This was an assumption people jumped to when they tried to look around, part of it is Jakes fault for not being clear sooner about what he plans to charge but the majority of the blame rests with people who jumped the gun. The others are correct that the costs to Fakku will be higher than wani pays or people at cons in Japan, but as we don't know how much higher let's just wait and see how much he charges first before everyone jumps down his throat(jump in my time machine).

Second: You are 100% correct, it's folly to believe anyone could take these works down permanently everywhere, but that doesn't stop the production company from trying(in this case wani). They aren't wrong in this case either, just like the record labels, movie studios and video games studios trying to slow the flow of piracy it's in their best interest to stop them. While I do understand the outrage however I think its woefully misdirected in this case, Jake told everyone what lengths he's gone to at this point, EX admitted he had no direct involvement(even if they suspect indirect) in any take downs. The real target people should be cross with is Wani, but they're all the way overseas, and it's a lot easier to attack Jake than it is to fight your real target.


Third: This does seem to be a matter of perception, the images you showed me don't look like he was going to /a/ to inflame the situation but as I've said previously it doesn't matter what something looks like to the minority. So you are correct, Jake should have been less involved, if he had good PR advice at the time he might have. So the mistake was made and he's paid for it tenfold(ddos, death threats, social network attacks on his family) and I'm not asking anyone to forget what's happened, but I do think this is a hell of a lot to burn a guy for poor wording.

How could someone prove non-involvement in something? Wani isn't going to admit whether Jacob directed them to the site or not, the only thing EX can confirm is that he had no direct hand involvement in the letters. So at this point the only thing he can offer is what he's already given you.

I hope I was able to answer most of your question or clear some things up for you. I know some of my replies may not have been as detailed as you'd like but I've been writing for a while and am getting a bit tired. If there are any points you want clarification on you can pm me or just respond here.
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Cruz Dope Stone Lion
Because topic was removed despite Jacob giving a response...Responding to a thread set to be purged seems a bit pointless, but whatever.

Jacob wrote...
Everything on the store right now is completely unrelated to FAKKU Books, they are all just items imported from Japan. There is obviously a lot of costs associated with bringing those items over that aren't obvious (we have to fly to Japan for one). The majority of the doujins on the store were purchased 2 years ago when the exchange rate was a lot worse. We also bag and board everything, cover the costs of shipping and handling, and the costs associated with bringing them back and going through customs. On top of all that we need to make a profit so it's worth doing in the first place (around 15%), there is a lot involved in that price point.

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I think people already know this or aware that it cost money to acquire and distribute your product.(I'm guessing it's cheaper to go, maybe strike a deal with the publisher/vendors, and then ship them back from there might be cheaper)
It just seems like getting 2 or maybe 3 books each worth around 500 or 600 yen shipped for around 10usd might be a cheaper for the same product(with maybe more options to choose from I might add). Maybe getting the benefit of supporting you and receiving faster shipping if they're in the states might be worth that price gap for some individuals.

But my original point was that taking down digital versions of censored/non-fakku books whether your call or not, isn't a good business strategy.
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Hi

I only read whatever stuff groups I followed posted up there and just some random stuff that was recently uploaded so I'm not entirely effected by this.
I just wanted a perspective of the recent events that have transpired from people here.
Also I didn't expect people here calling other people shut-in losers, autists, and weeaboos, I would think that someone posting on a forum dedicated to hentai would be a little bit more modest with their word choice.
And imo saying "there's plenty of other porn out there" and "you should of saved your favorites you idiot" aren't really valid defenses.
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Sweetfire13 wrote...
Hi

I only read whatever stuff groups I followed posted up there and just some random stuff that was recently uploaded so I'm not entirely effected by this.
I just wanted a perspective of the recent events that have transpired from people here.
Also I didn't expect people here calling other people shut-in losers, autists, and weeaboos, I would think that someone posting on a forum dedicated to hentai would be a little bit more modest with their word choice.
And imo saying "there's plenty of other porn out there" and "you should of saved your favorites you idiot" aren't really valid defenses.


From my perspective as someone who frequents this site, Ex was every late to the party. Wani sent a C&D to Fakku in April and had removed all Wanimag material soon after, the fact that it took so long for Ex to have to take down all their stuff was really a godsend for those who realised that Wani was on the warpath when it came to their material. I can't see how Ex would have escaped Wani, with or without Jacob's book deal, and the fact the Jacob has the book deal means that new Wani releases will actually be available to us, either through buying or others re-uploading it or whatever. That's just my take on it though, I'm sure there are other members of the forum who disagree with me.
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Oh, okay.

What I've been told by someone who talks to the person who is in charge of the archives at e-hentai that Jacob initially wanted everything relating to Fakku removed. When they said no on the basis that they are distributors and not actual artist, someone (who is believed to be Jacob) actually contacted the original Japanese producers to send out C&Ds on supposedly 1/3 of the galleries there as a way to get back at them for not taking anything down.
I would like to say that I have no real knowledge pertaining to this so I'm just going by what I've been told.
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What did I miss.
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Sweetfire13 wrote...
Oh, okay.

What I've been told by someone who talks to the person who is in charge of the archives at e-hentai that Jacob initially wanted everything relating to Fakku removed. When they said no on the basis that they are distributors and not actual artist, someone (who is believed to be Jacob) actually contacted the original Japanese producers to send out C&Ds on supposedly 1/3 of the galleries there as a way to get back at them for not taking anything down.
I would like to say that I have no real knowledge pertaining to this so I'm just going by what I've been told.


If Jacob's post on 4chan containing the contents of his email are to be believed, he was actually just asking that none of the future Fakku translated content be uploaded.
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Haven't been active for months so I have no idea and I just want to comment