Should we go on with the date?
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ZiggyOtaku wrote...
Least my tax dollars will go down, haha. J/kThey're just gonna find a new way to tax you. That's how the government is.
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Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
I believe in order to be considered "human" you have to act like a human. Then again I shackle myself down by using a morale code of honor and believe that you should follow non-religious rules in order to be a good person. While I do that the remainder of society thinks its acceptable to stab people in the back then use the knife to pull themselves up one step on the ladder of society. Then their kicked in the teeth by the person above them. They wait until the moment is ready to slit that persons throat once their bloody business is done they will use the corpse as a step to make another small advance.Sorry but, if people want to act like beasts then we should treat them as such.
By your description, it sounds a lot like survival of the fittest, albeit a warped sense of the concept. The thing is that humans act that way because its a natural instinct. However, because of our evolution and development of methods to make our life easy, the survival instinct that we originally had evolved as well. I watched this really interesting show, I don't remember what it was, about how overeating can sometimes be related to our hunting and gathering instincts. Just as we've adapted to our surroundings over the course of our existence, so have our natural instincts.
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I think the punishment should fit the crime, in all cases, I like an ironic sense of justice warms my heart to see people paying for, oh say stabbing someone to death, by being stabbed every day for the rest of their miserable, if short, lives without more medical attention than the red hot spoon they are being stabbed with provides.
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What I really want to know...is how it feels to have the burden of taking someones life.
I wish I was insane =_=
But no, I'm lil ol average joe.
I wish I was insane =_=
But no, I'm lil ol average joe.
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aznstoner wrote...
My take on Capital Punishment,
the death sentence can be fun.
LMFAO... it took me a little bit to notice what was going on, but that's fucking great.
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aznstoner wrote...
My take on Capital Punishment,the death sentence can be fun.
THE ULTIMATE GAME OF HANGMAN!!!
on the issue of capital punishment, I say if you get caught killing someone once, you should get 20 years, if your stupid enough to get caught twice, humanity doesn't need to take your bs and shouldn't have to harbor your idiotic geneseed.
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The Jesus wrote...
Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
I believe in order to be considered "human" you have to act like a human. Then again I shackle myself down by using a morale code of honor and believe that you should follow non-religious rules in order to be a good person. While I do that the remainder of society thinks its acceptable to stab people in the back then use the knife to pull themselves up one step on the ladder of society. Then their kicked in the teeth by the person above them. They wait until the moment is ready to slit that persons throat once their bloody business is done they will use the corpse as a step to make another small advance.Sorry but, if people want to act like beasts then we should treat them as such.
By your description, it sounds a lot like survival of the fittest, albeit a warped sense of the concept. The thing is that humans act that way because its a natural instinct. However, because of our evolution and development of methods to make our life easy, the survival instinct that we originally had evolved as well. I watched this really interesting show, I don't remember what it was, about how overeating can sometimes be related to our hunting and gathering instincts. Just as we've adapted to our surroundings over the course of our existence, so have our natural instincts.
I've worked in a factory and other "manual" labor jobs. I am the ultimate "blue collar" guy. A lot of my co-workers, were on work release, have been to jail, just got out of jail, have been in and out making jail look like a revolving door, etc. I see the behavior of these people. I'll give an example of one: Micheal Hayfield. A tall skinny guy I started working with on my last job. The man was on a work release program because he robbed a gas station. I befriended the guy because he was a co-worker. I even gave him rides back to his jail cell so he didn't have to walk back home after a 12 hr shift. The man never learned anything from any of his jail sentences. He was in there for robbery, theft, drug possession,etc. Several times he was in an out. When I was taking him "home" several times he was smuggling in tobacco for cigarettes in his shoes. He would pay someone to buy him a package of tobacco and he would get a plastic baggy or plastic wrap. Pack it in his shoes and smuggle it in so he could make some money on the inside. A repeat offender breaking more rules. The truly sad thing is he has a wife and a two year old daughter. That sound like a good man to you? Some guy who would rather stay in jail than raise his daughter?
Bail jumpers, probation dodgers, child support evaders, drug dealers,etc I've worked with all these "criminals" and it has made me hardened to the woes of the common criminal. The system isn't punishing these people hard enough so increase the punishment. These people don't fear the punishments given to them. Its time to put that fear in them.
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Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
The Jesus wrote...
Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
I believe in order to be considered "human" you have to act like a human. Then again I shackle myself down by using a morale code of honor and believe that you should follow non-religious rules in order to be a good person. While I do that the remainder of society thinks its acceptable to stab people in the back then use the knife to pull themselves up one step on the ladder of society. Then their kicked in the teeth by the person above them. They wait until the moment is ready to slit that persons throat once their bloody business is done they will use the corpse as a step to make another small advance.Sorry but, if people want to act like beasts then we should treat them as such.
By your description, it sounds a lot like survival of the fittest, albeit a warped sense of the concept. The thing is that humans act that way because its a natural instinct. However, because of our evolution and development of methods to make our life easy, the survival instinct that we originally had evolved as well. I watched this really interesting show, I don't remember what it was, about how overeating can sometimes be related to our hunting and gathering instincts. Just as we've adapted to our surroundings over the course of our existence, so have our natural instincts.
I've worked in a factory and other "manual" labor jobs. I am the ultimate "blue collar" guy. A lot of my co-workers, were on work release, have been to jail, just got out of jail, have been in and out making jail look like a revolving door, etc. I see the behavior of these people. I'll give an example of one: Micheal Hayfield. A tall skinny guy I started working with on my last job. The man was on a work release program because he robbed a gas station. I befriended the guy because he was a co-worker. I even gave him rides back to his jail cell so he didn't have to walk back home after a 12 hr shift. The man never learned anything from any of his jail sentences. He was in there for robbery, theft, drug possession,etc. Several times he was in an out. When I was taking him "home" several times he was smuggling in tobacco for cigarettes in his shoes. He would pay someone to buy him a package of tobacco and he would get a plastic baggy or plastic wrap. Pack it in his shoes and smuggle it in so he could make some money on the inside. A repeat offender breaking more rules. The truly sad thing is he has a wife and a two year old daughter. That sound like a good man to you? Some guy who would rather stay in jail than raise his daughter?
Bail jumpers, probation dodgers, child support evaders, drug dealers,etc I've worked with all these "criminals" and it has made me hardened to the woes of the common criminal. The system isn't punishing these people hard enough so increase the punishment. These people don't fear the punishments given to them. Its time to put that fear in them.
oh god, repeat offenders, i swear if someone offends the law more than 5 times it should be game over for them or else the rest of the convicts think it's alright to offend the law multiple times...
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ZiggyOtaku wrote...
But also a waste of our tax dollars. So technically we're being paying to punish people that I'd rather see dead.*Edit*
In all seriousness. If the punishment was that extreme people would think twice about doing something.
And most of the time people come out of prison not learning a god damn thing except what cable tv is like and wind up back in there.
*edit again* (lol)
Think about it, the rule will make people value other peoples lives more. Oh shit if I kill them then I'm dead too. :roll:
I totally agree with you, ZiggyOtaku, worded nicely. +rep for great response. (I was about to reply along the same lines, but vehemently.)
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Brittany
FAKKU Production Mngr
Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
I've worked in a factory and other "manual" labor jobs. I am the ultimate "blue collar" guy. A lot of my co-workers, were on work release, have been to jail, just got out of jail, have been in and out making jail look like a revolving door, etc. I see the behavior of these people. I'll give an example of one: Micheal Hayfield. A tall skinny guy I started working with on my last job. The man was on a work release program because he robbed a gas station. I befriended the guy because he was a co-worker. I even gave him rides back to his jail cell so he didn't have to walk back home after a 12 hr shift. The man never learned anything from any of his jail sentences. He was in there for robbery, theft, drug possession,etc. Several times he was in an out. When I was taking him "home" several times he was smuggling in tobacco for cigarettes in his shoes. He would pay someone to buy him a package of tobacco and he would get a plastic baggy or plastic wrap. Pack it in his shoes and smuggle it in so he could make some money on the inside. A repeat offender breaking more rules. The truly sad thing is he has a wife and a two year old daughter. That sound like a good man to you? Some guy who would rather stay in jail than raise his daughter?
Bail jumpers, probation dodgers, child support evaders, drug dealers,etc I've worked with all these "criminals" and it has made me hardened to the woes of the common criminal. The system isn't punishing these people hard enough so increase the punishment. These people don't fear the punishments given to them. Its time to put that fear in them.
That's exactly what I mean, and while those kinds of offenses shouldn't result in death - it's a pain in the fucking ass. They should do something if the repeat their offensives, and I swear if I had been in your situation after the drop off I'd make a little phone call to make sure they start checking him more throughly.
Besides, smuggling cigs? How the fuck are they supposed to smoke it there? Guards are everywhere and the smell isn't exactly inconspicuous.
I really don't think people should be allowed to have work-release. Nope. You did shit, now you're gonna sit your ass in the corner in time out until you realized what you did and won't do it again. What? You have a job? Should've thought about that before you robbed a convenient store.
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Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
I've worked in a factory and other "manual" labor jobs. I am the ultimate "blue collar" guy. A lot of my co-workers, were on work release, have been to jail, just got out of jail, have been in and out making jail look like a revolving door, etc. I see the behavior of these people. I'll give an example of one: Micheal Hayfield. A tall skinny guy I started working with on my last job. The man was on a work release program because he robbed a gas station. I befriended the guy because he was a co-worker. I even gave him rides back to his jail cell so he didn't have to walk back home after a 12 hr shift. The man never learned anything from any of his jail sentences. He was in there for robbery, theft, drug possession,etc. Several times he was in an out. When I was taking him "home" several times he was smuggling in tobacco for cigarettes in his shoes. He would pay someone to buy him a package of tobacco and he would get a plastic baggy or plastic wrap. Pack it in his shoes and smuggle it in so he could make some money on the inside. A repeat offender breaking more rules. The truly sad thing is he has a wife and a two year old daughter. That sound like a good man to you? Some guy who would rather stay in jail than raise his daughter?
Bail jumpers, probation dodgers, child support evaders, drug dealers,etc I've worked with all these "criminals" and it has made me hardened to the woes of the common criminal. The system isn't punishing these people hard enough so increase the punishment. These people don't fear the punishments given to them. Its time to put that fear in them.
Let me say this first, so I don't mention it later:
Child support is bullshit. It ruins men's lives, and people don't give a shit, because everyone is too busy trying to "help" the female.
You must understand the logic of repeat offenders before you can judge them. If I had spent time in jail for a misdemeanor, I would not want to go home to a wife. and a child would make it harder. Gods knows what kind of shit the wife would start.
People have circumstances. Maybe some of these repeats were mad. Others might be poor/homeless, so Jail would be preferable to the street. There are all sorts of ciircumstances, and without knowing them all, you cannot judge them.
As for smuggling cigs, I applaud him. He's in a shitty situation, and he's taking advantage of an opportunity to make it more bearable. Cigs are a common and valuable currency in jail. You can buy porn with it.
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Brittany
FAKKU Production Mngr
Arizth wrote...
Let me say this first, so I don't mention it later:
Child support is bullshit. It ruins men's lives, and people don't give a shit, because everyone is too busy trying to "help" the female.
You must understand the logic of repeat offenders before you can judge them. If I had spent time in jail for a misdemeanor, I would not want to go home to a wife. and a child would make it harder. Gods knows what kind of shit the wife would start.
I'd like to point out it takes 2 to tango, and if you're willing to stick your dick in without any protection that basically means you're responsible for anything that happens afterwards. Any idea how expensive a child is?
I think that's pretty disgusting you would say something like that as if psh. The female just has another life on her hands, it ruins my life. Whatever. I could be a bitch and list all the expenses but I don't think you'd really care so I'm not going to waste my time. But if you're in that situation you put yourself there and if you can't be there for the baby, then you shouldn't be able to just walk away scott free either.
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aznstoner wrote...
My take on Capital Punishment,the death sentence can be fun.
Oh yes. The Perry Bible Fellowship never ceases to amuse me.
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Arizth wrote...
People have circumstances. Maybe some of these repeats were mad. Others might be poor/homeless, so Jail would be preferable to the street. There are all sorts of ciircumstances, and without knowing them all, you cannot judge them.
I met his wife actually, she picked him up from work one day. Their child is adorable and reminds me a lot of my great niece (My Nieces and Nephews are older than I am. Weird family). So unless, shes the type to put up a front in public. I blame him because I sat and discussed all manner of subjects with the man from Politics to good ol'e fashion beer.
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ZiggyOtaku wrote...
Arizth wrote...
Let me say this first, so I don't mention it later:
Child support is bullshit. It ruins men's lives, and people don't give a shit, because everyone is too busy trying to "help" the female.
You must understand the logic of repeat offenders before you can judge them. If I had spent time in jail for a misdemeanor, I would not want to go home to a wife. and a child would make it harder. Gods knows what kind of shit the wife would start.
I'd like to point out it takes 2 to tango, and if you're willing to stick your dick in without any protection that basically means you're responsible for anything that happens afterwards. Any idea how expensive a child is?
I think that's pretty disgusting you would say something like that as if psh. The female just has another life on her hands, it ruins my life. Whatever. I could be a bitch and list all the expenses but I don't think you'd really care so I'm not going to waste my time. But if you're in that situation you put yourself there and if you can't be there for the baby, then you shouldn't be able to just walk away scott free either.
Yes, yes. I know the argument. I've heard it often enough. I have a fairly controversial view of women in general, so my opinion in issues like this, where the woman is placed at the forefront, tends to be biased.
That said, *deep breath*,
You must understand that most children come to people who want them. People who are kinda ready for them. People ready to invest time and money into their seed.
However, a "getting a call from the hospital telling you that you must now pool your finances into a child you had no idea even existed" is NOT something a man will cheer at.
Firstly, while a woman may have another life to take care of, I'd like to make a small reminder of the availability of abortion in most civilized countries. If she really didn't want it, it wouldn't have been born.
After that, people always place the "Woman's troubles" on a pedestal, and it infuriates me. I'd like you to consider that, while the woman is taking care of a child it seems that she actually wanted, she has the gall to say "Hey, your kid. Pay up" like it's some sort of macabre subscription service.
It's as if the world has this view that all men who have bastard children live in a luxurious mansion, and have money to throw to the winds while they wipe their ass with gold plated 100s. Men do not. If we did, I'd take no issue.
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Am I being offensive yet? I'm hoping not, but that's my view.
Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
Arizth wrote...
People have circumstances. Maybe some of these repeats were mad. Others might be poor/homeless, so Jail would be preferable to the street. There are all sorts of ciircumstances, and without knowing them all, you cannot judge them.
I met his wife actually, she picked him up from work one day. Their child is adorable and reminds me a lot of my great niece (My Nieces and Nephews are older than I am. Weird family). So unless, shes the type to put up a front in public. I blame him because I sat and discussed all manner of subjects with the man from Politics to good ol'e fashion beer.
And some people have psychological issues that being locked up in a small room with iron bars will not solve.
Or maybe the guy is just an asshole. I've not met him, So I can't judge.
Shutting up now.
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I do agree with you that women are treated with bias in the legal system. A female pedophile isn't punished as harshly as a male pedophile. I also agree with if the woman didn't want the child the option of abortion is there and if she chooses to not exercise that option it was her choice and we have to live with the consequences of choices we make. I don't approve of having a flat fee of 1/3rd of the man's income being given to child support. People are already taxed on what they make by 1/3rd. Leaving them 2/3rds of their paycheck then 1/3rd is taken out for child support. So a many working a $20/hr job earns roughly 30K a year (for simplicity). So 10k a year goes to the kid, another 10k for taxes. The man only gets a paltry 10,000 to live on. Sorry but, 10,000 doesn't do anything in the area of trying to survive.
I can understand certain things like stealing food and such but,robbing a gas station so you can buy cigarettes and booze is an entirely different story. I guess my view is that we can't be sympathetic because as soon as we pardon one man's crimes we encourage many more crimes because eventually it'll only take a sob story and people will be let off the hook for any number of crimes. Making the legal system a cold heatless bastard (possibly Sadistic) will reduce crime. Many murders are thought out and as they think of it they have to weigh the punishment.
Other than that what would your suggestion be to stop crime. Fear is a good motivator and deterrent of all sorts of things.
I can understand certain things like stealing food and such but,robbing a gas station so you can buy cigarettes and booze is an entirely different story. I guess my view is that we can't be sympathetic because as soon as we pardon one man's crimes we encourage many more crimes because eventually it'll only take a sob story and people will be let off the hook for any number of crimes. Making the legal system a cold heatless bastard (possibly Sadistic) will reduce crime. Many murders are thought out and as they think of it they have to weigh the punishment.
Other than that what would your suggestion be to stop crime. Fear is a good motivator and deterrent of all sorts of things.
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To stop crime?
Step up detection. Put some of that money we get from taxes into making police gadgets. Establish a clear right and wrong doctrine that both Judge and Jury have access to, so that we have a universal precedent to judge crime by. Mandatory Psychological, Rational, and Intelligence testing for police officers. Step up police presence.
Do not use scare tactics. Use threats. And follow up on them.
How many crimes would be committed if, instead of grainy camera footage, police used scanners to check for prints and DNA specs?
How many shoot outs would occur if police had, not shitty body armor, but powered armor exoskeletons?
How many hostages would be taken, banks robbed, knowing cop bot would be there with a Gatling gun in a few minutes?
Etc etc. If I keep talking, I'll ramble.
Step up detection. Put some of that money we get from taxes into making police gadgets. Establish a clear right and wrong doctrine that both Judge and Jury have access to, so that we have a universal precedent to judge crime by. Mandatory Psychological, Rational, and Intelligence testing for police officers. Step up police presence.
Do not use scare tactics. Use threats. And follow up on them.
How many crimes would be committed if, instead of grainy camera footage, police used scanners to check for prints and DNA specs?
How many shoot outs would occur if police had, not shitty body armor, but powered armor exoskeletons?
How many hostages would be taken, banks robbed, knowing cop bot would be there with a Gatling gun in a few minutes?
Etc etc. If I keep talking, I'll ramble.