[Animu] Noragami

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WideEyedMan wrote...

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That's the problem, he's had a massive character overhaul and entered a stage called "final boss prep" with no real final boss(this final boss had "your princess is in another castle all over it"). Ordinarily, conflicts between flawed main characters bridge the gap leading to the finale only having closure nearing the end to maximize the viewer's exposure to said conflicts. Although watching Yukine being a douchebag was frustrating for me I understood that he was in a growth stage so there was that expectation of him acting proper and when he did it felt like he lost much of his allure in the series, of course they could have had something planned later on. They could go to his past and I would be interested in seeing that. They can do something for Yukine like expand on his Regalia or spirit related duties but the series was capped at 12 episode.

Probably forced romance is a poor wording on my part, when I realized that it was going to be baddie X+ transparent baddie Y+damsel in distress= abrupt ending.

The final arch was some guy named Rabou geeking hard about a murderous Yato that was hinted at but never fully explained. Like Bishamonten's shtick with Yato, Kazuma's debt to Yato and how he used Nora to kill a Regalia and so on so forth.

The lack of direction was pointed at the fact that they ditched the goal of Hiyori getting her body back after the first few episodes to understandably make room for Yukine's arc, but then brought it up for that lackluster ending.


Point is that Noragami needed time that it didn't have but flaws are flaws. I'm probably just going to read the manga, Noragami has potential.


I will agree with you on most points. The "forced romance" or whatever you want to call it was more or less just a friendship type thing that was sort of a corny way to end the anime. There are things that were skipped over which i dislike overall, and yes Yukine made me hate him more and more, but overall was still a good anime. Also it felt like there could be a second season to it cause of the ending which makes me not dwell on the lack of explanations on certain issues.

I just think the variety of genres it offered allowed a great time of watching it. Every anime has its flaws and I just felt that the flaws it had just weren't as bad as the upside to it. There is potential to maybe make this another season or 2 to explain that issues and resolve them.
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blinkgirl211 wrote...


I just caught up on Noragami in one sitting starting off from where the anime ended. Which is the Bishamonten arc that refutes all my previous claims while being amazing. Ehh some complaints but whatever. Noragami season 2 would be interesting.
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WideEyedMan wrote...
bakapink wrote...


I'm no stranger to incredible amounts of bias. I'm willing to ride Nitro+s money train until the end of time because of Steins;Gate and I make no effort to conceal it at any time.

A bit late..."
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That's the problem, he's had a massive character overhaul and entered a stage called "final boss prep" with no real final boss(this final boss had "your princess is in another castle all over it"). Ordinarily, conflicts between flawed main characters bridge the gap leading to the finale only having closure nearing the end to maximize the viewer's exposure to said conflicts. Although watching Yukine being a douchebag was frustrating for me I understood that he was in a growth stage so there was that expectation of him acting proper and when he did it felt like he lost much of his allure in the series, of course they could have had something planned later on. They could go to his past and I would be interested in seeing that. They can do something for Yukine like expand on his Regalia or spirit related duties but the series was capped at 12 episode.

Probably forced romance is a poor wording on my part, when I realized that it was going to be baddie X+ transparent baddie Y+damsel in distress= abrupt ending.

The final arch was some guy named Rabou geeking hard about a murderous Yato that was hinted at but never fully explained. Like Bishamonten's shtick with Yato, Kazuma's debt to Yato and how he used Nora to kill a Regalia and so on so forth.

The lack of direction was pointed at the fact that they ditched the goal of Hiyori getting her body back after the first few episodes to understandably make room for Yukine's arc, but then brought it up for that lackluster ending.


Point is that Noragami needed time that it didn't have but flaws are flaws. I'm probably just going to read the manga, Noragami has potential.


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"Final boss prep"? I'm not familiar with this term outside of "preparing for the final boss fight in a rpg".

While the heroine was in the location of the battle, heroine's other half. Even if it was a "in another castle" development, how would that be dissatisfying?

In "ordinarily meaning common place", I've never heard of fault found in being contradicting to the norm, if well done. (And your not listing how they messed this up). If there is more conflict to be had, closing the story on the bridging would have left those to never be handled, as well, there is still plenty more room for conflict for the two (such as both characters past lives). Having the protagonist reconcile is no more a greater reason to end a story on (I may give you this if the story was based on there reconciliation, the entire time, but it wasn't), this is a matter of value on your part for "reconciliations".

Liking a story(book, movies, series, ect) never entails liking the characters.

It's easy to summarize many animes in that manner, doesn't make it flawed. Rabou was a character who showed, to the other 2 protagonist and audience, more insight to the world and Yato's past without tons of exposition. A "show don't tell" event in the story that allowed both the characters to get more involved with Yato's past and the audience to be able to follow along with the continuing development. I admit, a bit of it felt rushed near the end, but time constraints in anime are hard to deal with when trying to tell a serious and long story.

Her "inability to get her body back" is part of the bond that ties them together, it is a greater goal, like a story starting out with "defeat the final boss". They pull it up quite a bit to reenforce this, to strengthen the significance of the fact that Yato doesn't know how, as well, the only discovered possible solution is another dilemma for the cast, which feeds into Yato's and Yukine's personality and desires as individuals with their own selfish desires.


Seems we agree that time did not work in their favor."

WideEyedMan wrote...
blinkgirl211 wrote...


I just caught up on Noragami in one sitting starting off from where the anime ended. Which is the Bishamonten arc that refutes all my previous claims while being amazing. Ehh some complaints but whatever. Noragami season 2 would be interesting.


Sorry I took too long to reply. Was trying to work my way through some things I've been procrastinating, and when it comes to fakku, I can have a habbit of spending an entire day posting comments... I still felt I owed a response, so above would be it.

side note~ haven't read the manga yet, but if it's being translated, I'll look into it.
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bakapink wrote...


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I never said "ordinarily meaning common place". Look I understand that English is not your main language but can you at least proof read your posts several times over before submitting, it makes conversation go much smoother.

This is a story based on reconciling. Yato has to deal with his heavy past, Yukine must clean up all the trouble he causes and Hiyori needs to decide if having her body is more important than staying with those two.

Final boss prep is exactly what it looks like, everybody is geared up and ready to go for the big finale. Except Yukine is already level capped in the starter area. Well that's not true according to the manga but for the anime's sake it was.

"Your princess is in another castle" refers to the original Mario games, which always had Toadie standing at the end of every supposed last boss in the Mario games to inform you that "your princess is in another castle" to make room for the other levels in the game. In other words the "final boss" of Noragami was just an underling who was supposed to warm up for the rest of Noragami, but 12 episode cap so on so forth.

No that's wrong. I can like a story if it has likable characters, I can also like a story if it has unlikable characters. I also remember stating that while I hated angst Yukine, he was also more interesting as a result. If you think that characters needs to be unpleasant for a story to be treasured than fine, however kindly step away from deciding how or what I like.

If the main conflict of the story gets delivered that poorly and with such minimal impact to story, then it was poor usage of the main conflict.

Up to 29 chapters of the manga are translated.


I'm going to say that I dislike Noragami's anime, and you like the Noragami anime. That's it, nothing else will happen. So say your piece because I am done.
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WideEyedMan wrote...
bakapink wrote...


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I never said "ordinarily meaning common place". Look I understand that English is not your main language but can you at least proof read your posts several times over before submitting, it makes conversation go much smoother.

This is a story based on reconciling. Yato has to deal with his heavy past, Yukine must clean up all the trouble he causes and Hiyori needs to decide if having her body is more important than staying with those two.

Final boss prep is exactly what it looks like, everybody is geared up and ready to go for the big finale. Except Yukine is already level capped in the starter area. Well that's not true according to the manga but for the anime's sake it was.

"Your princess is in another castle" refers to the original Mario games, which always had Toadie standing at the end of every supposed last boss in the Mario games to inform you that "your princess is in another castle" to make room for the other levels in the game. In other words the "final boss" of Noragami was just an underling who was supposed to warm up for the rest of Noragami, but 12 episode cap so on so forth.

No that's wrong. I can like a story if it has likable characters, I can also like a story if it has unlikable characters. I also remember stating that while I hated angst Yukine, he was also more interesting as a result. If you think that characters needs to be unpleasant for a story to be treasured than fine, however kindly step away from deciding how or what I like.

If the main conflict of the story gets delivered that poorly and with such minimal impact to story, then it was poor usage of the main conflict.

Up to 29 chapters of the manga are translated.


I'm going to say that I dislike Noragami's anime, and you like the Noragami anime. That's it, nothing else will happen. So say your peace because I am done.


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I made a mistake by putting the 2nd quote to far down, but sure, go ahead and insult me, I supposed that's completely called for...

Yato's story would lean more into redemption. Yukine's and Hiyori's more into acceptance for the things they can't control. And, for all three, the struggle to keep the things that are important to them. If the story started out with them fighting one another, and continued down that path till they made up, then yes I would agree, it would have been a story of reconciliation for the 3.

"Looks like"? So "final boss prep" is no different than "preparing for a conflict" except with a "final" adversary, in regards to a series. So what did they do wrong in this regard, the series was ending? And everybody = Yato + Yukine? More characters were involved and prepared for Yukine's purification (forgot what it was called), so was that a "final boss prep" too? It is a fight that holds Yato's, Yukine's, and Hiyori's life on the line, whats wrong with the characters "gearing up" and taking it seriously? And, again, final boss prep or not, what's the specific problem for this? How does this hurt the series?

I know the meme "your princess is in another castle", I'm already familiar with it, but it refers to a goal being else where from the searched location and being made to chase false leads. His goal and his destination was one in the same, Hiyori's memories. So your using the term wrong, unless there's something else I am missing.

What I mean by, "Liking a story(book, movies, series, ect) never entails liking the characters" is, a story doesn't need likable characters to be enjoyed, nor does people liking a story, mean other will like the characters. Liking and disliking are subjective feelings that differ between individuals. A characters "likability" does not weigh the quality of any work's story.

I don't know what your responding too, so I can't tell what in my statement you are stating is "wrong", but... I have no idea where your getting "characters have to be hated" from, or, me assuming what you like and/or don't like... But I didn't say anything along those lines... So I really don't know how to respond to this...

And what was the "main story" and "main conflict" of the anime, for you? I thought the conflict's were, Yato's entire past, Yukine's present and past, and Hiyori's present and future. Rabou was a piece of Yato's past. If I wanted to say one was the "main conflict" (to the series) it'd be Yato's past, that made him who he is now, and tied them all together, but now threatens to tear them apart. But the story goes on beyond the end of the anime, so the full (main) story is not being told. And the series' open ends already suggest this.


That's completely fine. I wanted to understand the meaning of statements like "...lack of direction" or "...he became scenery". I'm not saying your opinion is "wrong", but that I had conflicting opinions and wanted to discuss it to get a better understanding of how you derived yours. If you don't want to discuss them, that's fine. Good day to you~
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I WANT HIM TO BE OVERPOWERED AND KILL ANYBODY HE LIKES XD
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I really like this anime but the manga was much better
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