Bakemonogatari - 14
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Kiss-Shot
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I enjoyed this episode, in a way it felt like there wasn't enough due to the stupidly long wait, but I believe if we got this episode at a more normal time then I'd like it more, so I won't fault the episode, but SHAFT the lazy buggers.
Anyway back onto the episode, it was nice to see things are going differently than the last time Araragi dealt with the Cat oddity, it's also interesting to see that Shinobu is independent on Araragi to be alive, something I never realized and makes me all the more curious of what happens in Kizumonogatari.
One thing I have to say.... Nadeko in her PJ's..... Too hawt ;__; SHAFT know how to do hot loli's pretty well.
I'm happy we got to hear more from Kanbaru, at times she becomes my favorite character and I loved it when she said she was Araragi's love slave xD I hope we see more of her in the future.
Also Hitagi's change is becoming more evident, I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't see her being so stern about doing what Hanekawa asked her to do, also she showed some care and worry for Araragi, in her own Tsundere Service way.
Anyway the ending wasn't that much of a surprise for me personally, since I've spoiled it for myself some time back, but they did drop subtle hints in the episode (and the previous one.) which was nice to see, but it makes me wonder how will Araragi deal with this? Also does Shinobu's disappearance and the Cat escaping part of some plan from Oshino? This episode sort of brought up more questions than answers, not a bad thing, it only makes me more excited to see how everything is wrapped up!
(and I forgot how to spell their names at times .___.)
Anyway back onto the episode, it was nice to see things are going differently than the last time Araragi dealt with the Cat oddity, it's also interesting to see that Shinobu is independent on Araragi to be alive, something I never realized and makes me all the more curious of what happens in Kizumonogatari.
One thing I have to say.... Nadeko in her PJ's..... Too hawt ;__; SHAFT know how to do hot loli's pretty well.
I'm happy we got to hear more from Kanbaru, at times she becomes my favorite character and I loved it when she said she was Araragi's love slave xD I hope we see more of her in the future.
Also Hitagi's change is becoming more evident, I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't see her being so stern about doing what Hanekawa asked her to do, also she showed some care and worry for Araragi, in her own Tsundere Service way.
Anyway the ending wasn't that much of a surprise for me personally, since I've spoiled it for myself some time back, but they did drop subtle hints in the episode (and the previous one.) which was nice to see, but it makes me wonder how will Araragi deal with this? Also does Shinobu's disappearance and the Cat escaping part of some plan from Oshino? This episode sort of brought up more questions than answers, not a bad thing, it only makes me more excited to see how everything is wrapped up!
(and I forgot how to spell their names at times .___.)
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personaly i thought that ep 12 is the last one ^^"
its realy confusing becouse most of torrents are like "Bakemonogatari - 12(END)"
also was looking for ep 14 for a while, thanks =)
its realy confusing becouse most of torrents are like "Bakemonogatari - 12(END)"
also was looking for ep 14 for a while, thanks =)
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I'm surprised that no one is even talking about the actual plot and show...
I want to spark again the discussion of this thread considering the next episodes will probably only be released in the dvd's or in a few months as no news whatsoever to their release has been given.
From what I've gathered (without having read Kizumonogatari past chapter 4; thanks again baka-tsuki) this episode reflects the relationship between Hanekawa and Araragi.
It is clear if you guys go back to every encounter that he and her have had starting back at the Nadeko Arc that whenever she is with Araragi she starts having these headaches which are a symptom of her "meddlesome cat" which in turn makes Hanekawa into an "evil" (sort of a Black Hanekawa even though she's so white :D) entity.
Thus we can come to the conclusion that the person responsible for Hanekawa's stress (this time around) is Araragi-kun. We can furthermore speculate that it's actually Araragi's relationship with Senjougahara. Is it jealousy, realised feelings etc. I don't know. However what is pretty obvious is that there is something going on between Hanekawa and Araragi even though Araragi constantly denies it.
Araragi feels that he owes a huge debt to Hanekawa due to their chance meeting last spring. He is pretty sure that he owes her his life and until that debt is paid off he will do anything to make sure he repays it.
I might go on and speculate that it's pretty much the same situation as to how Senjougahara regarded Araragi after he saved her. Remember how reluctant (actually uncomfortable or unwilling would probably be a better choice of words here) he was to her advances/flirting and even how he reacted when she confessed to him?
Again speculating, but I believe that Hanekawa likes Araragi more than a simple friend but due to Araragi's attitude towards the help she gave him that resulted in saving him she can't be honest nor actually confess to him due to the fear of him only accepting//refusing due to his attitude towards her.
So I'm back to saying that Hanekawa's stress this time around is due to Araragi.
With that being said, I'm wondering how episode 14 will be and what will happen between our protagonists.
So please post what you think will happen? Also what are your actual thoughts of episode 13?
I want to spark again the discussion of this thread considering the next episodes will probably only be released in the dvd's or in a few months as no news whatsoever to their release has been given.
From what I've gathered (without having read Kizumonogatari past chapter 4; thanks again baka-tsuki) this episode reflects the relationship between Hanekawa and Araragi.
It is clear if you guys go back to every encounter that he and her have had starting back at the Nadeko Arc that whenever she is with Araragi she starts having these headaches which are a symptom of her "meddlesome cat" which in turn makes Hanekawa into an "evil" (sort of a Black Hanekawa even though she's so white :D) entity.
Thus we can come to the conclusion that the person responsible for Hanekawa's stress (this time around) is Araragi-kun. We can furthermore speculate that it's actually Araragi's relationship with Senjougahara. Is it jealousy, realised feelings etc. I don't know. However what is pretty obvious is that there is something going on between Hanekawa and Araragi even though Araragi constantly denies it.
Araragi feels that he owes a huge debt to Hanekawa due to their chance meeting last spring. He is pretty sure that he owes her his life and until that debt is paid off he will do anything to make sure he repays it.
I might go on and speculate that it's pretty much the same situation as to how Senjougahara regarded Araragi after he saved her. Remember how reluctant (actually uncomfortable or unwilling would probably be a better choice of words here) he was to her advances/flirting and even how he reacted when she confessed to him?
Again speculating, but I believe that Hanekawa likes Araragi more than a simple friend but due to Araragi's attitude towards the help she gave him that resulted in saving him she can't be honest nor actually confess to him due to the fear of him only accepting//refusing due to his attitude towards her.
So I'm back to saying that Hanekawa's stress this time around is due to Araragi.
With that being said, I'm wondering how episode 14 will be and what will happen between our protagonists.
So please post what you think will happen? Also what are your actual thoughts of episode 13?
I was eagerly awaiting when someone would post something about episode 14. Most of what I believed would happen in 14 actually happened.
Only one real question remains. What is this weird scheme that Oshino is trying to pull?
Personally I think that he's trying to let Araragi deal with everything on his own. Remember how he's always saying that Araragi always comes to him for help? And how that shouldn't be how he should deal with things? Oshino is more reliable than any other character in Bakemonogatari (at least that's the feeling we get from how Araragi describes him). Taking that into account, he would never let the cat slip nor show so little concern for Shinobu.
All in all I think he's trying to make Araragi learn a lesson. In more than one way. We can easily perceive that he kind of figured out that the Class President "likes" Araragi and that he was actually her reason for stress.
However, I am still wondering how Araragi will react to Hanekawa's "confession". I mean he's obviously going to refuse it but the problem is how everything is going to end up tied up. Remember:
-Araragi feels a deep devotion and thinks he owes Hanekawa for his life no less.
-Araragi tries to help anyone out of any burden they might have, even more so because he is a "demon" himself.
-Araragi is an honest person and wouldn't betray Hitagi.
With all that how can we expect him to wrap this problem up? He obviously wants to help Hanekawa but he "can't" do it without Shinobu. Since if he accepted Hanekawa's confession he would be betraying Hitagi's feelings.
Anyways I've made a wall of text to be repetitive. Hope this sparks some discussion at the very least.
-Zell
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Kiss-Shot wrote...
Anyway back onto the episode, it was nice to see things are going differently than the last time Araragi dealt with the Cat oddity, it's also interesting to see that Shinobu is independent on Araragi to be alive, something I never realized and makes me all the more curious of what happens in Kizumonogatari.Well, I wouldn't say she is independent from Araragi. Assuming the subs are correct, Shinobu is unable to manifest vampiric powers without Araragi nearby. In other words, "She's just a kid." Although this made me think if Shinobu and Araragi's relationship is like siblings or like parent and child.
Zellgadus wrote...
Only one real question remains. What is this weird scheme that Oshino is trying to pull?My thoughts mirror your's. I only wonder what was that whole spiel about Oshino "being busy" when we see him just standing around later in the episode?
Zellgadus wrote...
With all that how can we expect him to wrap this problem up? He obviously wants to help Hanekawa but he "can't" do it without Shinobu.I think he'll solve it by outright rejecting Tsubasa. Of course, he will need to find Shinobu first because I doubt stating a romantic rejection to Black Tsubasa will solve the stress. Anyway, I am of the opinion that Tsubasa has been stressing out because, pre-Hitagi, she thought she had all the time in the world to confess. So when she finds out that Hitagi and Araragi are dating she probably keeps asking herself hypothetical questions like "What if I had confessed earlier?" and "If I confessed now, would he choose me over her?" It doesn't help that Araragi is willing to be hated to clear his debt to her. So, he will reject Tsubasa and hurt her in the short term, and take away the "weight" of her feelings from off her shoulders in the long run.
Of course, finding Shinobu is a different matter entirely. Black Tsubasa doesn't seem to be much help on that end, and neither is Oshino for that matter. Mayoi might be able to find her, but I can't imagine anybody else being able to. So I guess it's a question of what kind of realization Araragi will have that will let him find Shinobu by himself.
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Kiss-Shot
Soba-Scans Staff
Hey I just realized, although Araragi isn't a complete vampire anymore, is he still classed as an oddity? Or is he just classed as somewhere in between.
I ask this since the Cat said an Oddity and Human can't be together, that they're incompatible, could this be the cat referring to Araragi and Hitagi? I doubt anything about that will brought up in the next episode but it got me thinking whether in the future whether Araragi's condition will raise problems.
I ask this since the Cat said an Oddity and Human can't be together, that they're incompatible, could this be the cat referring to Araragi and Hitagi? I doubt anything about that will brought up in the next episode but it got me thinking whether in the future whether Araragi's condition will raise problems.
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Kiss-Shot wrote...
Hey I just realized, although Araragi isn't a complete vampire anymore, is he still classed as an oddity? Or is he just classed as somewhere in between.I ask this since the Cat said an Oddity and Human can't be together, that they're incompatible, could this be the cat referring to Araragi and Hitagi? I doubt anything about that will brought up in the next episode but it got me thinking whether in the future whether Araragi's condition will raise problems.
Phony oddity or the fake oddity as they refer him as in one episode...I forget which. I believe the cat is refering to Hitagi, but it could be in general also + this would probably contradict her ending remark...
Spoiler:
Since I don't know if we can consider hanekawa as an oddity, or is just plagued by one?
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Kiss-Shot
Soba-Scans Staff
NoeLLis wrote...
Kiss-Shot wrote...
Hey I just realized, although Araragi isn't a complete vampire anymore, is he still classed as an oddity? Or is he just classed as somewhere in between.I ask this since the Cat said an Oddity and Human can't be together, that they're incompatible, could this be the cat referring to Araragi and Hitagi? I doubt anything about that will brought up in the next episode but it got me thinking whether in the future whether Araragi's condition will raise problems.
Phony oddity or the fake oddity as they refer him as in one episode...I forget which. I believe the cat is refering to Hitagi, but it could be in general also + this would probably contradict her ending remark...
Spoiler:
Since I don't know if we you can consider hanekawa as an oddity, or is just plagued by one?
I'd say just like Hitagi, Kanbaru and Nadeko, she's plagued by the oddity.
I suppose Araragi is somewhere in between then..
Really can't wait for episode 15 for all these questions to be answered, I'm itching for them :P (although I wonder if Oshino will take his leave at the end, he's made it clear to Araragi he won't be around forever.)
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Well like they say, he's a vampire but he doesn't have the capabilities as one.
I love the cat :] much more alive then her other counterpart
I love the cat :] much more alive then her other counterpart
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Kiss-Shot wrote...
Hey I just realized, although Araragi isn't a complete vampire anymore, is he still classed as an oddity? Or is he just classed as somewhere in between.I ask this since the Cat said an Oddity and Human can't be together, that they're incompatible, could this be the cat referring to Araragi and Hitagi?
Araragi is a half-oddity, which is why Oshino said that Araragi couldn't handle oddities in his current state, which is why Oshino suggested that Araragi abandon Shinobu. Also, I think that Black Tsubasa was simply referring to Araragi and Shinobu.
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Probably referred to both shinobu and all the other humans in arararagis life.
There's one thing i don't quite understand about this episode, at the end when the cat says that araragi might be better off without shinobu since he'll go back to being a human. Araragi starts saying stuff like that he'd never abandon her and that he might as well die if she were to die, would that be talking about Hanekawa or Shinobu?
I'm also really not looking forward to ep 15 as I've been a Hanekawa fan since the first episode and i really don't want to see an unhappy end for her, and that's the only options really cause even if Araragi and Hanekawa would get together that, that psycho Senjougohara would kill him and make it a bad end.
There's one thing i don't quite understand about this episode, at the end when the cat says that araragi might be better off without shinobu since he'll go back to being a human. Araragi starts saying stuff like that he'd never abandon her and that he might as well die if she were to die, would that be talking about Hanekawa or Shinobu?
I'm also really not looking forward to ep 15 as I've been a Hanekawa fan since the first episode and i really don't want to see an unhappy end for her, and that's the only options really cause even if Araragi and Hanekawa would get together that, that psycho Senjougohara would kill him and make it a bad end.
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Kiss-Shot
Soba-Scans Staff
Koyori wrote...
Probably referred to both shinobu and all the other humans in arararagis life.There's one thing i don't quite understand about this episode, at the end when the cat says that araragi might be better off without shinobu since he'll go back to being a human. Araragi starts saying stuff like that he'd never abandon her and that he might as well die if she were to die, would that be talking about Hanekawa or Shinobu?
I reckon it's about him and Shinobu, maybe Araragi sees Shinobu as another part of him, or the he's a part of her, depends how things role with vampires in this story.
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ZeroOBK wrote...
Zellgadus wrote...
Only one real question remains. What is this weird scheme that Oshino is trying to pull?My thoughts mirror your's. I only wonder what was that whole spiel about Oshino "being busy" when we see him just standing around later in the episode?
As Araragi continues to attract oddities like bees to honey, it is imperative that he learns to deal with them on his own. But if I didn’t know Oshino any better (if at all), I’d say he is grooming Araragi to take over his role; his responsibility to oddities and probably to Shinobu even -- with this particular case being something that Araragi alone must solve, like a practical/culminating exam of sort.
Koyori wrote...
There's one thing i don't quite understand about this episode, at the end when the cat says that araragi might be better off without shinobu since he'll go back to being a human. Araragi starts saying stuff like that he'd never abandon her and that he might as well die if she were to die, would that be talking about Hanekawa or Shinobu?Was the prologue-of-an-opening-sequence not put into comprehensive-enough detail? Of course, it should go without saying that Araragi’s involvement/relationship with oddities in general would have never been if not for that one incident -- without Shinobu. Going by his character all throughout the series, it is not surprising how he would have come to cherish their “bond” overtime – the bond of which that started it all – which then led to various fantasy-fulfilling to some rather life-threatening events, thus getting laid(?) especially.
GameON wrote...
Needed more Hitagi tbh.Apparently nyaa~t. After all, this is the fourth installment of "Tsubasa Cat" and not Hitagi's once-upon-a-time concluded arc.
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hermitVI wrote...
Koyori wrote...
There's one thing i don't quite understand about this episode, at the end when the cat says that araragi might be better off without shinobu since he'll go back to being a human. Araragi starts saying stuff like that he'd never abandon her and that he might as well die if she were to die, would that be talking about Hanekawa or Shinobu?Was the prologue-of-an-opening-sequence not put into comprehensive-enough detail? Of course, it should go without saying that Araragi’s involvement/relationship with oddities in general would have never been if not for that one incident -- without Shinobu. Going by his character all throughout the series, it is not surprising how he would have come to cherish their “bond” overtime – the bond of which that started it all – which then led to various fantasy-fulfilling to some rather life-threatening events, thus getting laid(?) especially.
it's confusing, and still confuses me. With the way the conversation goes i can't really make out who he's talking about.
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How should I put this in a way that will not confuse you – I suppose you must be aware of how dear Hanekawa is, and their friendship, to Araragi. I bet you also haven’t forgotten that it was Shinobu who came save the day (days to come rather, until…now) when probably the most important and only (girl)friend Araragi had at that time, went berserk in form of Black Hanekawa. Therefore, I expect you to at least grasp the idea of Shinobu being just as much as important to Araragi by means of gratitude or sheer sentimentality.