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Donations. Not paywalls.
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What the thread header said. If people want to donate (which they will) they can do so to sustain this site. Having paywalls and "buying" 30 page hentais where 4 pages of it is actual sex then the rest is setup and dialouge is not a good idea. This is horribly inefficient at both pulling in new people and keeping the people already in here. And yes I understand this site has to have money to stay up. But again. The power of a good, tight knitted community trumps that of any paywall and microtransaction. Set up a patreon or something I guarantee you're going to be earning more money and please more people with free to view content rather then having to buy it.
(I also understand that there is a lot of "Free" stuff here. But that argument is not valid I'm afraid.)
(I also understand that there is a lot of "Free" stuff here. But that argument is not valid I'm afraid.)
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
That's not how dealing with Japan and their licensing works. They don't deal with donations. A few will crowd fund for non guaranteed IPS but they control the rules.
Those doujins are artist property so they dictate the rules. Plus 90% of what we have here aren't fakku's license. Look at the Publisher line in the page. Unless it says fakku it not our stuff. Other publishers use our store and site to sell their stuff because let's face it, we are the biggest site not burning in a dumpster fire of mismanagement and failed communication. 2d market, ENSHODO and many others use the store and site to sell their licenses books.
If you think people will freely give their stuff freely just because a few people just donate a few bucks then that's an idealistic fantasy. I should know I donate regularly to scan sites to kickstart a manga or doujin I want, but there's the difference... they don't pay the artist or Japanese licensing, it's for the translation and maybe some server cost/getting the tank to scan or buy digitally. Fakku has a higher cost and so does the publishers.
Buy or don't buy that your choice, it not like I buy them all even though I'm curious. But I like real paper so that my reason.
Those doujins are artist property so they dictate the rules. Plus 90% of what we have here aren't fakku's license. Look at the Publisher line in the page. Unless it says fakku it not our stuff. Other publishers use our store and site to sell their stuff because let's face it, we are the biggest site not burning in a dumpster fire of mismanagement and failed communication. 2d market, ENSHODO and many others use the store and site to sell their licenses books.
If you think people will freely give their stuff freely just because a few people just donate a few bucks then that's an idealistic fantasy. I should know I donate regularly to scan sites to kickstart a manga or doujin I want, but there's the difference... they don't pay the artist or Japanese licensing, it's for the translation and maybe some server cost/getting the tank to scan or buy digitally. Fakku has a higher cost and so does the publishers.
Buy or don't buy that your choice, it not like I buy them all even though I'm curious. But I like real paper so that my reason.
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Drifter995
Neko//Night
A donation service?
Like every other scanlation group site that folded, because nobody donated, and just read/ ripped the content?
Yeah nah, donation service isn't viable by any means.
As you said, the power of a tight knitted community trumps everything. And that's exactly what this has. A tight knitted community that's paying the bills, supplying more than ever before, and supporting artists
Like every other scanlation group site that folded, because nobody donated, and just read/ ripped the content?
Yeah nah, donation service isn't viable by any means.
As you said, the power of a tight knitted community trumps everything. And that's exactly what this has. A tight knitted community that's paying the bills, supplying more than ever before, and supporting artists
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Well if that's your opinion and we want to be fair, then we should all stop taking salaries and hourly rates. Everyone can be paid by donation.
You probably want to argue that paywalls don't work or they're somehow bad for the community. I'm just going to tell you straight up. You literally have no idea how FAKKU's budget and finances look. In fact, none of us do. So what makes you qualified to tell them how to balance their budget? FAKKU's subscription model is not even new or unusual for adult services. The fact is, dozens of employees need to be paid. FAKKU's partners in Japan and the creators themselves need to be paid. It's probably hundreds of thousands of dollars that need to change hands every year (again I don't really know what the figures look like). Are donations really gonna sustain that? Remember, FAKKU is not Wikipedia and the ridiculous idea that people shouldn't spend money on porn is still floating around. Realistically, unless you and others are willing to pledge to dump half your yearly income on this, I don't think it would work out.
I think you should reconsider your ideas. Very rarely are things as simple as they look.
You probably want to argue that paywalls don't work or they're somehow bad for the community. I'm just going to tell you straight up. You literally have no idea how FAKKU's budget and finances look. In fact, none of us do. So what makes you qualified to tell them how to balance their budget? FAKKU's subscription model is not even new or unusual for adult services. The fact is, dozens of employees need to be paid. FAKKU's partners in Japan and the creators themselves need to be paid. It's probably hundreds of thousands of dollars that need to change hands every year (again I don't really know what the figures look like). Are donations really gonna sustain that? Remember, FAKKU is not Wikipedia and the ridiculous idea that people shouldn't spend money on porn is still floating around. Realistically, unless you and others are willing to pledge to dump half your yearly income on this, I don't think it would work out.
I think you should reconsider your ideas. Very rarely are things as simple as they look.
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YQII
FAKKU Translator
The donation model works well for individuals or very small teams. Some of the biggest creators on Patreon receive thousands of dollars each month, and after fees and taxes, they might still get to keep several thousands at the end of the month. That's a pretty lucrative business for a single person.
FAKKU, however, is a company, meaning we have a large staff, an office building with equipment, licensing and royalty fees, printing, storage, and shipping costs, etc. This is very different from a person who converted a room in their apartment to an office and create their content from there. This is not meant as a jab against those creators; I only want to illustrate that a company has a lot of extra costs that your typical Patreon-funded creator doesn't.
I would suggest looking through the adult categories on a site such as Graphtreon. You'll find that even if you limit yourself to the top earners, the vast majority don't even earn enough to support two people at US minimum wage. This is fine for the independent creator, but obviously unsustainable for a company.
For the sake of transparency, I have zero involvement in our finances and no real knowledge/interest when it comes to economics. Still, I'm fairly certain you need more than a couple thousands per month (before any deductions) to run a localization/publishing business.
FAKKU, however, is a company, meaning we have a large staff, an office building with equipment, licensing and royalty fees, printing, storage, and shipping costs, etc. This is very different from a person who converted a room in their apartment to an office and create their content from there. This is not meant as a jab against those creators; I only want to illustrate that a company has a lot of extra costs that your typical Patreon-funded creator doesn't.
I would suggest looking through the adult categories on a site such as Graphtreon. You'll find that even if you limit yourself to the top earners, the vast majority don't even earn enough to support two people at US minimum wage. This is fine for the independent creator, but obviously unsustainable for a company.
For the sake of transparency, I have zero involvement in our finances and no real knowledge/interest when it comes to economics. Still, I'm fairly certain you need more than a couple thousands per month (before any deductions) to run a localization/publishing business.
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Gravity cat
the adequately amused
Pretty much everything that can be said has been said so I won't echo it further. I just don't know how or why you think donation methods are viable for a business.
You even acknowledge that money is required, so you seem aware of how finances work to some extent. Donations on their own won't cover costs, and too many people will just leech the otherwise completely free service. A donation-only free service is no better than being a pirating site again. Realistically, who exactly is going to donate to the site if the content is made completely free? A small-knit group might. But that will only go so far.
Bottom line is, what you're suggesting is financial suicide.
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And yes I understand this site has to have money to stay up.You even acknowledge that money is required, so you seem aware of how finances work to some extent. Donations on their own won't cover costs, and too many people will just leech the otherwise completely free service. A donation-only free service is no better than being a pirating site again. Realistically, who exactly is going to donate to the site if the content is made completely free? A small-knit group might. But that will only go so far.
Bottom line is, what you're suggesting is financial suicide.
