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Possible solution to the loli problem
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I've seen many posts where people have complained that loli is forbidden on this site. I did read on the sticky that the decision is not up for discussion. However, I'd just like to post a suggestion that may be a possible solution to the problem.
I am aware that storage, bandwidth etc. cost money. I am aware that the ad sponsors have terms that go against loli and related content; however, I don't see any reason not to create another domain that has no official affiliation with Fakku and that exists on the same server.
The content will not be accesible through Fakku, which wouldn't go against any terms from the ad sponsors (am I wrong?) and there wouldn't be any extra costs for bandwidth (possibly space due to more content being added). There would only be an extra cost for a new domain, which isn't expensive at all. I think the users on Fakku, or even one user, could throw up that kind of money relatively easy.
Running two servers on the same machine is easily achievable, and having two domains pointed to each server shouldn't be difficult at all.
Has this been up for discussion? Not general loli, but this particular idea. Is it desirable? Are the administrator(s) prepared to take this kind of action?
I'm sorry if my post isn't allowed in some way, I'm just trying to help and contribute to create a better community. If by some reason I wasn't allowed to bring up this discussion, I won't mind the post being removed. Although I'd really like to hear the administrators view on this.
I am aware that storage, bandwidth etc. cost money. I am aware that the ad sponsors have terms that go against loli and related content; however, I don't see any reason not to create another domain that has no official affiliation with Fakku and that exists on the same server.
The content will not be accesible through Fakku, which wouldn't go against any terms from the ad sponsors (am I wrong?) and there wouldn't be any extra costs for bandwidth (possibly space due to more content being added). There would only be an extra cost for a new domain, which isn't expensive at all. I think the users on Fakku, or even one user, could throw up that kind of money relatively easy.
Running two servers on the same machine is easily achievable, and having two domains pointed to each server shouldn't be difficult at all.
Has this been up for discussion? Not general loli, but this particular idea. Is it desirable? Are the administrator(s) prepared to take this kind of action?
I'm sorry if my post isn't allowed in some way, I'm just trying to help and contribute to create a better community. If by some reason I wasn't allowed to bring up this discussion, I won't mind the post being removed. Although I'd really like to hear the administrators view on this.
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luinthoron
High Priest of Loli
Virgo wrote...
and there wouldn't be any extra costs for bandwidthYou're wrong here, but otherwise the idea sounds good. Whether it would be worth the hassle is another question, though.
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Your assumption regarding the server(s) couldn't be further from the truth unfortunately. The problem is that Fakku is barely holding on as it is. For whatever reason, the servers are barely able to function with Fakku, but I won't get into that because I know it will lead to fighting, it already has.
Point being, for something like that to work even more money would have to come flowing to Jacob, and in order to do that it would require the use of ad revenue. Problem is, most of the adult ad revenue services aren't reputable, and those that are are very strict against the hosting of child pornography (lolicon included).
So the same problem still exists. Other sites out there are having the same issues, but they choose to ignore the threats from Black Label Ads or their other ad contemporaries. Short of that, or magically everyone deciding to pay for Fakku so Jacob could completely disassociate himself with ad revenue companies, there won't be any more lolicon.
Point being, for something like that to work even more money would have to come flowing to Jacob, and in order to do that it would require the use of ad revenue. Problem is, most of the adult ad revenue services aren't reputable, and those that are are very strict against the hosting of child pornography (lolicon included).
So the same problem still exists. Other sites out there are having the same issues, but they choose to ignore the threats from Black Label Ads or their other ad contemporaries. Short of that, or magically everyone deciding to pay for Fakku so Jacob could completely disassociate himself with ad revenue companies, there won't be any more lolicon.
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Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Some staff members enjoy loli, the staff would most likely be for hosting loli if there were no money issues. That being said, there are and this idea is simply not do-able without more ad revenue(or paid subscriptions). Jake isnt a fan of pay to fap sites so that most likely wont happen and odds are we wont find sponsors willing to pay for a loli inclusive version of fakku.
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In a perfect world where we could fund such a thing I'm sure it would immediately be put into effect, but as those above me have stated, we simply can't do this and charging for Loli = distribution and selling of CP :/
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gizgal wrote...
That's making the assumption that the site has any interest in even hosting loli (sponsor pressures against it withstanding)./me sighs
There you go again. That sounds more like what YOU think.
There is definitely interest in hosting lolicon on Fakku, even in the eyes of some of the staff members.
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Tsurayu wrote...
gizgal wrote...
That's making the assumption that the site has any interest in even hosting loli (sponsor pressures against it withstanding)./me sighs
There you go again. That sounds more like what YOU think.
There is definitely interest in hosting lolicon on Fakku, even in the eyes of some of the staff members.
True, but I never said they thought one way or the other; it just sounded like some folks assumed in that direction.
If F! wants to have loli, so be it. :o
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Waar
FAKKU Moderator
gizgal wrote...
Tsurayu wrote...
gizgal wrote...
That's making the assumption that the site has any interest in even hosting loli (sponsor pressures against it withstanding)./me sighs
There you go again. That sounds more like what YOU think.
There is definitely interest in hosting lolicon on Fakku, even in the eyes of some of the staff members.
True, but I never said they thought one way or the other; it just sounded like some folks assumed in that direction.
If F! wants to have loli, so be it. :o
Your post implies we have no interest, I am telling you that is false.
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Waar wrote...
gizgal wrote...
Tsurayu wrote...
gizgal wrote...
That's making the assumption that the site has any interest in even hosting loli (sponsor pressures against it withstanding)./me sighs
There you go again. That sounds more like what YOU think.
There is definitely interest in hosting lolicon on Fakku, even in the eyes of some of the staff members.
True, but I never said they thought one way or the other; it just sounded like some folks assumed in that direction.
If F! wants to have loli, so be it. :o
Your post implies we have no interest, I am telling you that is false.
Ok. Hey, again, I'm not running things. ;3;'
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Waar
FAKKU Moderator
gizgal wrote...
Waar wrote...
gizgal wrote...
Tsurayu wrote...
gizgal wrote...
That's making the assumption that the site has any interest in even hosting loli (sponsor pressures against it withstanding)./me sighs
There you go again. That sounds more like what YOU think.
There is definitely interest in hosting lolicon on Fakku, even in the eyes of some of the staff members.
True, but I never said they thought one way or the other; it just sounded like some folks assumed in that direction.
If F! wants to have loli, so be it. :o
Your post implies we have no interest, I am telling you that is false.
Ok. Hey, again, I'm not running things. ;3;'
What does that have to do with what either of us said? You implied something which was wrong and I corrected you...
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Waar wrote...
What does that have to do with what either of us said? You implied something which was wrong and I corrected you...
><; I get that. I just mis-spoke, so, yeah, my bad.
Anyhow... not to derail, but yeah, funding/ads being an issue, it just seems unlikely (even if preferable)?
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Virgo wrote...
I don't see any reason not to create another domain that has no official affiliation with Fakku and that exists on the same server.The content will not be accesible through Fakku
So, we basically create a different site that can host loli, and it will have no affiliation with Fakku nor will it be accessible through Fakku? Why not just create a different site? Why would anybody from Fakku have to be involved?
Loli's out there. It is not hard to find it. 7chan has a board devoted to lolicon. Several groups that scanlate loli doujinshi have blogspot pages. If anybody wants to share their lolicon collection, they can do so on 7chan's board, create their own blogspot page, or even make their own website.
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It seems that some of you have misunderstood my idea; or I have misunderstood them.
I don't want to skip the ad revenue, I want to go around it. I'm aware that a website like this costs money and I'm aware of the terms (regarding loli) set by the companies that provides the ads.
However if we make a new section of Fakku that has no official affiliation with Fakku and host it on the same machine (two servers) with either two domains or a subdomain, we could pay for the loli section with the ad revenues.
We wouldn't break any rules since the loli section wouldn't contain any ads and we wouldn't have to increase the cost of the website since there wouldn't be any need to upgrade hardware of bandwidth (unless loli would bring in a massive amount of new users).
I wouldn't be surprised if that could be circumvented with iframes since they wouldn't really be hosted on the actual server supported by ad revenues, but rather linked to.
It is affiliated, but not officially (for the sole reason of going behind the companies that provides ads). If I recall correctly, e-hentai has done the same thing (or something similar).
Loli's out there. It is not hard to find it. 7chan has a board devoted to lolicon. Several groups that scanlate loli doujinshi have blogspot pages. If anybody wants to share their lolicon collection, they can do so on 7chan's board, create their own blogspot page, or even make their own website.
Indeed, loli is out there. But with that reasoning; Fakku is just as unnecessary. I'm sure there are other sites and chans that hosts doujin and hentai manga.
Waar wrote...
That being said, there are and this idea is simply not do-able without more ad revenue(or paid subscriptions).I don't want to skip the ad revenue, I want to go around it. I'm aware that a website like this costs money and I'm aware of the terms (regarding loli) set by the companies that provides the ads.
However if we make a new section of Fakku that has no official affiliation with Fakku and host it on the same machine (two servers) with either two domains or a subdomain, we could pay for the loli section with the ad revenues.
We wouldn't break any rules since the loli section wouldn't contain any ads and we wouldn't have to increase the cost of the website since there wouldn't be any need to upgrade hardware of bandwidth (unless loli would bring in a massive amount of new users).
I wouldn't be surprised if that could be circumvented with iframes since they wouldn't really be hosted on the actual server supported by ad revenues, but rather linked to.
K-1 wrote...
So, we basically create a different site that can host loli, and it will have no affiliation with Fakku nor will it be accessible through Fakku? Why not just create a different site? Why would anybody from Fakku have to be involved?It is affiliated, but not officially (for the sole reason of going behind the companies that provides ads). If I recall correctly, e-hentai has done the same thing (or something similar).
K-1 wrote...
Loli's out there. It is not hard to find it. 7chan has a board devoted to lolicon. Several groups that scanlate loli doujinshi have blogspot pages. If anybody wants to share their lolicon collection, they can do so on 7chan's board, create their own blogspot page, or even make their own website.
Indeed, loli is out there. But with that reasoning; Fakku is just as unnecessary. I'm sure there are other sites and chans that hosts doujin and hentai manga.
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This is exactly how e-hentai/exhentai work. You get a cookie from e-hentai so that they get the revenue, and then you can see the loli on exhentai. Magic!
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Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Your suggestion would work assuming we have the excess bandwidth to deal with users visiting the section. The issue then becomes about time and reward. Will the site benefit enough from having loli added to the site again vs the amount of time Jacob will need to set this up vs the amount of time he has. As far as I can tell it's not going to happen any time soon, while the idea may be good putting it into motion is something that wont come as easily as the idea. I am going to be sure Jake sees this thread but you should know the site is getting along fine without loli and this most likely wont happen in the foreseeable future.