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[Locked] The website is a broken mess and other issues :3
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Darkhilt wrote...
ananonymoususer wrote...
Darkhilt wrote...
I don't find your point invalid at the least, I'm just questioning its ability to solve anything and asking, now that you have provoked response and thought from the community, how are you to now affect the boy who is as you say irresponsible and apathetic because of sloth like actions we have seen so vagrantly?Oh, thank you for the clarification. I was mildly confused.
This thread alone will not be my only action, but I believe it to address points that no one has been addressing publicly. It also proves my ability to locate and determine serious errors.
It is hopefully insulting enough to garner attention from such administration. Even if I am not selected as a logical code monkey, I would think it will provoke administration to change before change is forced upon them.
XD And there we have it. While I have to say that for a fact we have been addressing it publicly, perhaps not with as much vigor or stalwartness, I'm assured that atleast some good will come from this. But as my dear waartortle suggested, much good is to be garnered from direct confrontation, it has lead to small actions being undertaken in the past and I'm sure with direct and undeniable prose it can do such again. Best of luck as change here seems to be held by a boulder.Enciting revolt is all good until we reach a breaking point where we in fact can suffer or cause negative repercussion.
For Christ sake, it's a site, not a fucking country. Stop overdramatizing things. I have to admit that the OP is being wordy and dramatic about this, but Jacob is pushing it. You can only say that you're working on it or that you're too busy only so many times.
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Good points, at least you offer substance for your complaints.
I've noticed a bit of each of them, but yes, overall, the site needs some organizational and management overhauling.
I've noticed a bit of each of them, but yes, overall, the site needs some organizational and management overhauling.
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
Can we all just wait until another great crash and burn. It's come soon when jacob find a new boner to rape with.
Edit because it locked on me.
Edit because it locked on me.
Spoiler:
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animefreak_usa wrote...
Can we all just wait until another great crash and burn. It's come soon when jacob find a new boner to rape with.Jesus please no. I've already done so much re-tagging I would cry if it happened twice. T_T
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gizgal wrote...
animefreak_usa wrote...
Can we all just wait until another great crash and burn. It's come soon when jacob find a new boner to rape with.Jesus please no. I've already done so much re-tagging I would cry if it happened twice. T_T
Pah. I have no doubt in my mind, it WILL happen again.
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Sindalf
Used to do stuff
And if he is as incompetent as you say, which is true, why are you still here and do you think he will actually read this and fix anything because of this? Not like 95% of this hasn't been pointed out before already. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying its all acceptable but there isn't much you can do about it. I learned after all this time of working with him to just called him a lazy fuck and be done with it.
If you don't like it you can always use the door.
If you don't like it you can always use the door.
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Sindalf wrote...
And if he is as incompetent as you say, which is true, why are you still here and do you think he will actually read this and fix anything because of this? Not like 95% of this hasn't been pointed out before already. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying its all acceptable but there isn't much you can do about it. I learned after all this time of working with him to just called him a lazy fuck and be done with it. If you don't like it you can always use the door.
That sounds like a Republican response from 2003 or something. "Oh yeah? Why don't you just leave the country then?"
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Sindalf
Used to do stuff
Red Vodka wrote...
Sindalf wrote...
And if he is as incompetent as you say, which is true, why are you still here and do you think he will actually read this and fix anything because of this? Not like 95% of this hasn't been pointed out before already. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying its all acceptable but there isn't much you can do about it. I learned after all this time of working with him to just called him a lazy fuck and be done with it. If you don't like it you can always use the door.
That sounds like a Republican response to a criticism from 2003 or something.
Well its sorta true considering he most likely isn't going to fix such things as people have been bitching at him to do it for quite some time although it doesn't seem like it.
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Sindalf wrote...
Red Vodka wrote...
Sindalf wrote...
And if he is as incompetent as you say, which is true, why are you still here and do you think he will actually read this and fix anything because of this? Not like 95% of this hasn't been pointed out before already. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying its all acceptable but there isn't much you can do about it. I learned after all this time of working with him to just called him a lazy fuck and be done with it. If you don't like it you can always use the door.
That sounds like a Republican response to a criticism from 2003 or something.
Well its sorta true considering he most likely isn't going to fix such things as people have been bitching at him to do it for quite some time although it doesn't seem like it.
Bit confused by your post. Are you essentially saying "Give up"?
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Sindalf
Used to do stuff
Red Vodka wrote...
Sindalf wrote...
Red Vodka wrote...
Sindalf wrote...
And if he is as incompetent as you say, which is true, why are you still here and do you think he will actually read this and fix anything because of this? Not like 95% of this hasn't been pointed out before already. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying its all acceptable but there isn't much you can do about it. I learned after all this time of working with him to just called him a lazy fuck and be done with it. If you don't like it you can always use the door.
That sounds like a Republican response to a criticism from 2003 or something.
Well its sorta true considering he most likely isn't going to fix such things as people have been bitching at him to do it for quite some time although it doesn't seem like it.
Bit confused by your post. Are you essentially saying "Give up"?
Not exactly. More along lines of, people have tried complaining to him through the same media over and over again and it hasn't worked. Try something else and it might get the point across. May require some group participation or something else, I don't know. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
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Waar
FAKKU Moderator
ananonymoususer wrote...
Waar wrote...
This should have been an e-mail.Publicity is the only solution for laziness - even if Jacob is strained for time, this will create an issue strong enough to make him address it.
Rather than a letter to the Governor who doesn't mind his community in disrepair (possibly incorrect assumption), I'm holding a town meeting.
It's up to him whether he fixes the things you listed though, you wont force him into anything. You and I both know that's not an option. If you had emailed it I might have believed you meant it as a "Jacob I want to help you and the site" this was clearly meant as a slap to his face. We've talked before, you're a decent guy, but your actions this time aren't as well intentioned as you make them out to be, kinda disappointed in you.
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Sindalf wrote...
Not exactly. More along lines of, people have tried complaining to him through the same media over and over again and it hasn't worked. Try something else and it might get the point across. May require some group participation or something else, I don't know. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.Thank you for your nay-says. People have complained to him in all media over and over, as you say. What makes this different and not your definition of insanity? I'm addressing the issue as the administrator, not the issues. I simply list issues to back up my case that change needs to occur. I was hoping for discussion as to possible positive outcomes, but I see the negative tone of my post has garnered a mixed opinion.
If you are also behind the cause of an improved website, perhaps you can assist in garnering Jacob's attention and convincing him that off-site help would be splendid. I would love to be the assistance, but I do not mind simply causing a hub-bub and waiting for direct action.
This is supposed to be the tipping point, the thread that kicks off definite action by stepping on as many toes as possible, and so far group participation has been generally affirmative.
To perhaps cast light on some discussion, I put forth a suggestion.
My solution is: Back up the code base, back up the manga. Allow me monitored administrative access to the code base, through SVN (which I can set up). Then we can just dump SVN comments to the front page every month or so to show the bug fixes and to encourage further work from myself and Jacob. If I do anything horrendous, SVN has a backup of all of the code base from before I started.
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ananonymoususer wrote...
Uzumaki101 wrote...
That's cool and all. But why not try helping the man then, since you noticed all those mistakes, and are possibly whining about it all. Just saying that "Anything you can do, I can do better" won't help this site at all, you know. :|
also, this topic won't be deleted. The only topics mods will delete are stupid, irrelevant ones.
'The man'. From this one statement, I assume your standpoint is entirely emotional loyalty, which I am perfectly fine with.
I offered my help. I offered a list of things I would change. To say that my post is simply me proclaiming how good I am would be to misinterpret it. I am saying I noticed, I am saying it needs change.
I am allowing my post to take a heated (which appears as whining to you) tone because I believe that that may get it the attention it needs for action to be taken.
Well, it certainly worked though, your whining.
But unless Jacob gives you authority, you can't directly do anything other than make a list of what you want to change. You don't have any other option but to rely on the man.
If you really think you could do better, then at least put it into action, not just "make a list". Contact the man, again and again. Holding up a town meeting without the mayor is, well, it's gonna go nowhere.
edit: I'm not some kind of Loyal Dog to Jacob. I"m just stating my opinion.
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Waar
FAKKU Moderator
You're not being realistic, even if you make a big deal out of this, you wont get what you want by trying to force his hand, trust me. He wont hire you, he wont quit, and as much as we might need help he probably wont hire anyone else full time.
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Waar wrote...
You're not being realistic, even if you make a big deal out of this, you wont get what you want by trying to force his hand, trust me. He wont hire you, he wont quit, and as much as we might need help he probably wont hire anyone else full time.Will he hire someone if the person's gonna do it for free? Sell his soul and become Jacob's eternal slave?
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Waar
FAKKU Moderator
He is more likely to accept someone but the last time he trusted someone with access it ended poorly so I don't think it likely.
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Waar wrote...
You're not being realistic, even if you make a big deal out of this, you wont get what you want by trying to force his hand, trust me. He wont hire you, he wont quit, and as much as we might need help he probably wont hire anyone else full time.To add a dash of realism, from what I observe, Jacob is good at promises and bad at delivery. I've seen many front page posts promise exciting features, that never get entirely finished.
I don't want much. A peek at some code and the ability to fix it. Doesn't even need to be me. If I wanted to exploit all day, this would have been posted to the front page. If you are to assume my standpoint from a first post designed to divert consciousness from issues and more towards lead administration in the most brutal way possible, I am amused. My bark is worse than my bite.
He should consider changing his policies.
The method of committing I suggested allows for absolute control of code submitted, and very fast rollback on the assumption code is evil. Diffing files would show up any changes committed, visually. Green for added, red for removed. Very simple, very easy. Requires little thought. He can check over everything before checking out the repository as the main website.
By saying won't and can't and shan't, I doubt we'll procure change. :)
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Waar
FAKKU Moderator
You mentioned earlier that making this public was the only solution to laziness correct? Was I wrong to assume you're trying to force his hand? It seems like a fairly clear cut case. You don't want us to use words like can't? Step into reality please. Some of your ideas are good, perhaps all of them but the reality of the situation is that Jacob will not hire you, nor will he let people take a "peek at some code". Running a website like this requires trust, which is something he does not have in many people.
I don't understand what you believe you're entitled to? Whichever project Jake works on is his prerogative. You could simply offer to buy Fakku, perhaps then you could do everything you want to the site.
I don't understand what you believe you're entitled to? Whichever project Jake works on is his prerogative. You could simply offer to buy Fakku, perhaps then you could do everything you want to the site.
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Sorry but the last time I gave a person access to code in order to alleviate my load it went poorly. I trusted that person because I believed in their principles and what they spoke for (and I even considered them a friend).
But my trust was misplaced.
Once given access he shared it with a disgruntled ex administrator who went and broke into all of my email accounts, my Skype account, my Facebook, and spent the day masquerading as me while I frantically tried to recover everything. He went as far as pulling up emails between myself and my ex-girlfriend and tried to use them against me. They downloaded all of the email I had sent in the past three years and tried to blackmail me using every random thing they found. And to top it all off after I got everything back they tried to ask me for a job!
That said, the fault was my own. I used a similar password in the code to access the database as the one I used for my email account. And once you have access to someones email account you can basically get anything, and that's exactly what they did.
Since then I have trust issues, especially with random people who makes posts on the forums calling me out for my inadequacies. But I will go through and fix the bugs pointed out in this topic.
I now value the people I talk to every day that much more, and there are plenty of them. Hopefully they all understand that I am horrible at time management and often reach for the stars when I should be a bit more grounded in reality. I hope one day my life becomes tranquil and I have more time to work on FAKKU, but after spending all of the ad money on hookers and blow I really don't see the appeal.
But my trust was misplaced.
Once given access he shared it with a disgruntled ex administrator who went and broke into all of my email accounts, my Skype account, my Facebook, and spent the day masquerading as me while I frantically tried to recover everything. He went as far as pulling up emails between myself and my ex-girlfriend and tried to use them against me. They downloaded all of the email I had sent in the past three years and tried to blackmail me using every random thing they found. And to top it all off after I got everything back they tried to ask me for a job!
That said, the fault was my own. I used a similar password in the code to access the database as the one I used for my email account. And once you have access to someones email account you can basically get anything, and that's exactly what they did.
Since then I have trust issues, especially with random people who makes posts on the forums calling me out for my inadequacies. But I will go through and fix the bugs pointed out in this topic.
I now value the people I talk to every day that much more, and there are plenty of them. Hopefully they all understand that I am horrible at time management and often reach for the stars when I should be a bit more grounded in reality. I hope one day my life becomes tranquil and I have more time to work on FAKKU, but after spending all of the ad money on hookers and blow I really don't see the appeal.