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artcellrox The Grey Knight :y
13 years ago
Too long; didn't read, and don't fucking care. I just want my dream Mitsubishi LanEvo X.

thanielle wrote...
why so long a big WALL of post...

didn't read the whole thing

only remembers glorification of American cars...(did i get it right? never mind)
needs to see more pictures of naked girls...


2D or 3D? Pick your poison, madame.

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It's alright guys, I've got this.
I hope your anus is prepared for the barbed wire wrapped dildo I'm about to shove deep in your colon.

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pushrod wrote...
Okay, I'm not american, neither asian or yuropean. So there's nothing wrong with being biased here. But I'm not biased to us cars, they're getting better since 2005. In the ages when britney was hot, I was used to like bimmers and hondas. But asian cars suck now. In 2004, when mustang gt had 260 horse, subaru wrx sti had 300. But now, when mustang gt has 420, subaru still has 305! Yeah, like toyota said, keep moving forward, at 5 mph...
Corean cars are overrated. Improving drastically, but still overated. If I were in amurica, I'd pick ford fusion over sonata. German cars are also improving, but still not as good as americans now. People are still buying bimmer and mercedes for brand and image.
The reason why I pick american over anything? The reasons are:


First few things, before I start kicking your ass here:
1. Wrx and evo have never had more than 260~ hp. The evo 9 had 276hp. The 2006 mustang gt has 300, the standard shit one has 210... In a race with an evo, or wrx, it would get it's ass handed to it. why? Grip, power to the ground, and corners.
2. Spelling. I swear to god, you didn't spell any country correctly...
3. The new wrx doesn't need 420hp... it's a boxter 4pot for fuck sakes. The v8 needs 420hp to haul it's fat ass along the ground, the rexxy doesn't need anywhere near that much power to haul it's ass around, and so it does, with awd.
4. Korean cars have always been shit. Kia might start improving, now since it has the toyota's lead developer or something along those lines.
5. German cars have been, are and will be better than american cars... The quality of them is much better, they are 70% built for luxury, bar the sports luxury cars, and the 911 gt-3's... America makes cheap as chips cars, using outdated technology, which shows in their build, and ride performance.
6. People are still buying mercedes and beamers, because they are made to ride like a cloud, and have the power to get them along the road faster than your average car. They have all leather interiors, very modern technology, and other random, not needed crap.

Right, let's begin the onslaught:

pushrod wrote...
1. The design: murican cars look way better than asians even euro. Chrysler 300 maybe has mercedes platform, but it looks way better with lower price. And american car manufacturers revived their aggressive retro looks. Now you can buy a classic muscle looking car with modern parts, good handling, and less fuel consumption, my favorite is challenger. All modern asian cars look sleek and fastidious, so sleek they bored me to death. Mini also revived the mini cooper, but it's only mini, why not bimmer? Why doesn't bimmer make a car with their 80's looks?


Negative captain.
1. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder for one thing
2. the crysler 300c is a poor mans mercedes. it may have a hemi under the hood, and a leather interior, but it still uses outdated engine technologies and doesn't compare to the german craftsmanship
3. You can buy classic jap cars, classic euro cars with brand new engines, brand new running gear, sound better, run better, handle better, etc. Example? the austin healy I think it was, the jaguar e-type, the skyline 2000gtr, etc
4. Again captain, negative. If the american cars are trying their best to look aggressive, and not sleek, they are doing it wrong... you know what sleek does for your car, yeah? less drag, more air into the engine, more aerodynamics, keeps the car on the ground, cool and helps it use less fuel.
5. You realise mini is european, right? Also, to attempt an 80's look, one would either end up with a bucket of shit, or something that has so little aerodynamics, the v8 under the hood decides to use all your fuel on the way to the shops, just 5 minutes down the road.

pushrod wrote...
2. The performance: in these days, us is the only country that still makes ohv engines. Dodge viper and chevy corvette are the examples. Can you believe that? PUSHROD ENGINE? IN 2012? And can you believe that these cars with 60's technology compete with the most technological advanced computerized hundred thousand bucks cars? Neither the half million dollar lexus lfa and porsche 911 can touch dodge viper acr.
Ford mustang gt has the same performance as bmw m3, interesting, considering mustang gt is almost 30000 dollars cheaper than the bimmer. Well of course there's no leather seat, but with 30k you can buy 60 of them. And the gt500 version is even more awesome, it has 650 hp on paper, but actually it puts 662 on the wheels! So, unlike the sixties when muscle cars were only good at straight lines, now they also run at the twisties.


Lesson number 2:
1. ohv? You realise this means 'overhead valves' right? Which means the valves are over the cylinder, not on the side? Having valves on the side of the cylinder was something they stopped doing in the early 50's I think, because it was horrible for burning the fuel, because of the combustion chamber shape and size
2. ohv doesn't mean they are pushrod engines... But still, if they are pushrod engines, pushrod engines are cheaper to make, but are a lot less reliable. more moving parts = more places to go wrong... Cheaper isn't always better.
3. let me just add, no car, NO CAR today runs off purely mechanics... You want to know why? Electronic ignition, fuel injection, electric windows, all that shit needs a computer to run them.
4. You know how you're saying these cars, with examples being mustang gt500 vs a lexus lfa? The mustang would get slaughtered. the lfa went around the nurburgring in 7:14.64, the 2013 mustang gt500 was ranging from 7:45(in testing) That is a lot of time difference.
5. I'll remind you once again, the beamer, the m3 (which I'm assuming you're comparing) has both more technology behind it, be it better suspension, so it can handle around corners without body roll, and without a wheel lifting off the ground straight to comfort on the rocky roads with a flick of a switch, to a nice comfy leather interior, and gadgets to help you find your way to the finish line of the track, just in case you get lost mid way through the track.
6. Us muscle cars still handle like shit. Corvettes still run leaf springs in the rear of them for god sakes. Ride like shit, handle like shit.

pushrod wrote...
3. The gas consumption: Bimmer m3 is maybe handles a little bit better than mustang, but it gets only around 20 mpg highway, compared to 26 mpg on mustang. Mustang v6 has 305 hp while still getting 30 mpg on highway. The 8.4 liter dodge viper might not be as fast as 3.8 L turbocharged gtr, but don't forget, it has more power(600 vs 485 hp, both 2010) and better fuel economy (21 vs 23 mpg). And that new 662 horse shelby gets 24 mpg. For econobox, fiesta also consumes gas like prius.


Let's play the 'oh, american cars use less fuel' game, hey?
1. Are we comparing the stock shitbox mustang vs the m3 here? if so, let me throw figures at you, the m3 weighs a fuckton... it's a luxury german asshole on wheels... so of course it's going to use a little more fuel than your shitty mustang. The mustang has plastic interior, vinyl seats, a heavy as fuck engine, which guzzles fuel like a fat kid eating cake. Not saying the mustang is light, I'm saying it's probably lighter than the m3, in that it is a commercial piece of shit, compared to a luxury sports car
2. We are comparing a v10 viper with a v6 skyline gtr here? Ok, enlighten me. Oh, the gt-r is faster? Oh but what? It's less powerful? I'm sorry, what? It's faster but because it's less powerful, it's suddenly inferior? Also, the gtr is running 21mpg according to my lovely source. The viper was not defined, but being a weighty v10, I'm going to assume it's a fair bit more than that.
3. Fiesta would be rivalled by the iq, the echo and possibly some other small jap cars... dunno about euro cars

pushrod wrote...
4. The price: Where else in this world can you get a 420 hp car for 35000 dollars? Or a 662 horse car for 54k? Only in america. You can also get the vette zr1, king of nurburgring for only 104k.


Ladies, ladies, please... Let's keep off the kid, he's underage.
1. Where can you get a car that has less power, but beats this '420hp' car for under 35k? Evo sounds about the go. they are 35k.
2. Seriously, power isn't everything. Build quality and whether or not you can get the power to the ground factor pretty highly too. I don't know if anybody makes a car that has 662hp outside of america... Such a random number of horsepower, only the americans could produce. Well, I lie, the japs do that with the skyline, but that is justified, as the car's engine is handmade, and no two engines produce the same amount of power, they also produce a fair bit more power than specified iirc
3. The vette zr1 isn't the king of the nurburgring. period The king is the radical sr8... followed by the gumpert apollo, followed by the viper acr

pushrod wrote...
Not only performance cars, but american also wins at any class. What are the best selling car in 2011? Ford f150 first, chevy siverado second, american big ass trucks outsold econoboxes IN 21ST CENTURY. Check out http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/ Ford cars has the best ranks, especially ford fusion and mustang.


Time to step out of your own countries limits there sonny.
1. Honda fit beats your festiva in affordable small cars and hatchbacks, and nothing american in the upscale small car
2. your midsized car guide is quite country bias. why? What the fuck is a fusion? is it like a mondeo? I've never heard of it... so by any country other than america, it doesn't exist, and therefore, since there are more countries outside of america, it moves the accord to first. But seriously, outside of america, american cars sell quite poorly. In australia, jap, euro and australian cars dominate the market, why? Because they are cheaper, and better.
3. 8 out of the like 20 catagories were america 1st and jap or german 2nd and 3rd? the rest were jap or euro. No shit.
4. If you think big ass trucks are something to boast about, guess what? They don't sell outside of america. Nobody else in the world wants a huge ass 'truck' that's going to rape their wallet on an hourly basis.
5. Are you aware that scion is actually toyota, but sold in america, rebadged and possibly with some cheaper bits, but I'm pretty sure they are just rebadged.
The scion fr-s is both the toyota gt-86 and the subaru brz. Why toyota AND subaru? because they put their minds together and made a tribute to one of the best small sports cars ever made.
6. Because you are in usa, you get all us made cars for cheaper, and everything else is more expensive, try living in either euro, or here, in the euro areas, you'll get euro cars cheap as chips, and here, everything is even.




In conclusion, learn shit before you make posts about stuff you think you know...
Hows your ass feel? I think the barbed wire would have made it slightly more enjoyable


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yurixhentai desu
13 years ago
artcellrox wrote...
2D or 3D? Pick your poison, madame.

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animefreak_usa Child of Samael
13 years ago
1. Only the trucks are even worth buying these days. With that my uncle's Toyota terrorist truck still runs since 1984. Those little trucks are beasts.

2. Only american peformance cars worth the high cash loan is Ford Mustang and Chevy Camaro and only if it's the high end limited.

3. Euro cars suck unless it's the supercars then i have no answer.

4. Honda sucks, Daewoo sucks, Hyundai sucks more then a gay porn star on meth... anything made by koreans are crappy to begin with except Samsung.. they do a good job. The old Mitsubishi trucks are fucking ponies on acid. Lexus and Toyota.. 99% of there stock is good shit.

When we talk about today cars.. the japs has it all. In the 30-70's.. ford, amc, ponatic and chevy. Also 1970 or 1978 GTO orange THE MOTHERFUCKING JUDGE SON.
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artcellrox The Grey Knight :y
13 years ago
yurixhentai wrote...
artcellrox wrote...
2D or 3D? Pick your poison, madame.

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What? I didn't know thanielle's specific tastes, so I asked. Had it been you...

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yurixhentai desu
13 years ago
artcellrox wrote...
yurixhentai wrote...
artcellrox wrote...
2D or 3D? Pick your poison, madame.

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What? I didn't know thanielle's specific tastes, so I asked. Had it been you...

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13 years ago
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yurixhentai desu
13 years ago
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13 years ago
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animefreak_usa Child of Samael
13 years ago
That's fucked up mantis. Also MEH FOUND OREIMO COSPLAY PRONZ.
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yurixhentai desu
13 years ago
animefreak_usa wrote...
That's fucked up mantis. Also MEH FOUND OREIMO COSPLAY PRONZ.


Vid or images?

I saw some images on Gelbooru.
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animefreak_usa Child of Samael
13 years ago
yurixhentai wrote...
animefreak_usa wrote...
That's fucked up mantis. Also MEH FOUND OREIMO COSPLAY PRONZ.


Vid or images?

I saw some images on Gelbooru.


Movies.

My Little Sister Can't Be This Erotic
My Little Sister Can't Be This Lewd E Cup Naruse Kokomi
My Little Sister Can't Be This Lewd F Cup Sae Aihara
My Little Sister Can't Be This Lewd H Cup An Mashiro
My Little Sister Can't Be This Lewd J Cup Momoka Nishina
http://www.cosplayjav.com/p/text-cosplay-downloads.html
http://www.cosplayjav.com/p/cosplay-downloads.html With thumbs.
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yurixhentai desu
13 years ago
animefreak_usa wrote...
yurixhentai wrote...
animefreak_usa wrote...
That's fucked up mantis. Also MEH FOUND OREIMO COSPLAY PRONZ.


Vid or images?

I saw some images on Gelbooru.


Movies.

My Little Sister Can't Be This Erotic
My Little Sister Can't Be This Lewd E Cup Naruse Kokomi
My Little Sister Can't Be This Lewd F Cup Sae Aihara
My Little Sister Can't Be This Lewd H Cup An Mashiro
My Little Sister Can't Be This Lewd J Cup Momoka Nishina
http://www.cosplayjav.com/p/text-cosplay-downloads.html
http://www.cosplayjav.com/p/cosplay-downloads.html With thumbs.


Good find.

Only problem is that it keeps telling me I'm entering the code wrong to get to the downloads when it really isn't wrong. Fuckers.
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Sprite
13 years ago
Iam1vs100xp wrote...
Didn't read lol.

and guise, do you have some animu to recommend?


That one anime with Nissan brand giant robots.
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pushrod
13 years ago
Drifter995 wrote...
It's alright guys, I've got this.
I hope your anus is prepared for the barbed wire wrapped dildo I'm about to shove deep in your colon.

pushrod wrote...
Okay, I'm not american, neither asian or yuropean. So there's nothing wrong with being biased here. But I'm not biased to us cars, they're getting better since 2005. In the ages when britney was hot, I was used to like bimmers and hondas. But asian cars suck now. In 2004, when mustang gt had 260 horse, subaru wrx sti had 300. But now, when mustang gt has 420, subaru still has 305! Yeah, like toyota said, keep moving forward, at 5 mph...
Corean cars are overrated. Improving drastically, but still overated. If I were in amurica, I'd pick ford fusion over sonata. German cars are also improving, but still not as good as americans now. People are still buying bimmer and mercedes for brand and image.
The reason why I pick american over anything? The reasons are:


First few things, before I start kicking your ass here:
1. Wrx and evo have never had more than 260~ hp. The evo 9 had 276hp. The 2006 mustang gt has 300, the standard shit one has 210... In a race with an evo, or wrx, it would get it's ass handed to it. why? Grip, power to the ground, and corners.
2. Spelling. I swear to god, you didn't spell any country correctly...
3. The new wrx doesn't need 420hp... it's a boxter 4pot for fuck sakes. The v8 needs 420hp to haul it's fat ass along the ground, the rexxy doesn't need anywhere near that much power to haul it's ass around, and so it does, with awd.
4. Korean cars have always been shit. Kia might start improving, now since it has the toyota's lead developer or something along those lines.
5. German cars have been, are and will be better than american cars... The quality of them is much better, they are 70% built for luxury, bar the sports luxury cars, and the 911 gt-3's... America makes cheap as chips cars, using outdated technology, which shows in their build, and ride performance.
6. People are still buying mercedes and beamers, because they are made to ride like a cloud, and have the power to get them along the road faster than your average car. They have all leather interiors, very modern technology, and other random, not needed crap.

Right, let's begin the onslaught:

pushrod wrote...
1. The design: murican cars look way better than asians even euro. Chrysler 300 maybe has mercedes platform, but it looks way better with lower price. And american car manufacturers revived their aggressive retro looks. Now you can buy a classic muscle looking car with modern parts, good handling, and less fuel consumption, my favorite is challenger. All modern asian cars look sleek and fastidious, so sleek they bored me to death. Mini also revived the mini cooper, but it's only mini, why not bimmer? Why doesn't bimmer make a car with their 80's looks?


Negative captain.
1. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder for one thing
2. the crysler 300c is a poor mans mercedes. it may have a hemi under the hood, and a leather interior, but it still uses outdated engine technologies and doesn't compare to the german craftsmanship
3. You can buy classic jap cars, classic euro cars with brand new engines, brand new running gear, sound better, run better, handle better, etc. Example? the austin healy I think it was, the jaguar e-type, the skyline 2000gtr, etc
4. Again captain, negative. If the american cars are trying their best to look aggressive, and not sleek, they are doing it wrong... you know what sleek does for your car, yeah? less drag, more air into the engine, more aerodynamics, keeps the car on the ground, cool and helps it use less fuel.
5. You realise mini is european, right? Also, to attempt an 80's look, one would either end up with a bucket of shit, or something that has so little aerodynamics, the v8 under the hood decides to use all your fuel on the way to the shops, just 5 minutes down the road.

pushrod wrote...
2. The performance: in these days, us is the only country that still makes ohv engines. Dodge viper and chevy corvette are the examples. Can you believe that? PUSHROD ENGINE? IN 2012? And can you believe that these cars with 60's technology compete with the most technological advanced computerized hundred thousand bucks cars? Neither the half million dollar lexus lfa and porsche 911 can touch dodge viper acr.
Ford mustang gt has the same performance as bmw m3, interesting, considering mustang gt is almost 30000 dollars cheaper than the bimmer. Well of course there's no leather seat, but with 30k you can buy 60 of them. And the gt500 version is even more awesome, it has 650 hp on paper, but actually it puts 662 on the wheels! So, unlike the sixties when muscle cars were only good at straight lines, now they also run at the twisties.


Lesson number 2:
1. ohv? You realise this means 'overhead valves' right? Which means the valves are over the cylinder, not on the side? Having valves on the side of the cylinder was something they stopped doing in the early 50's I think, because it was horrible for burning the fuel, because of the combustion chamber shape and size
2. ohv doesn't mean they are pushrod engines... But still, if they are pushrod engines, pushrod engines are cheaper to make, but are a lot less reliable. more moving parts = more places to go wrong... Cheaper isn't always better.
3. let me just add, no car, NO CAR today runs off purely mechanics... You want to know why? Electronic ignition, fuel injection, electric windows, all that shit needs a computer to run them.
4. You know how you're saying these cars, with examples being mustang gt500 vs a lexus lfa? The mustang would get slaughtered. the lfa went around the nurburgring in 7:14.64, the 2013 mustang gt500 was ranging from 7:45(in testing) That is a lot of time difference.
5. I'll remind you once again, the beamer, the m3 (which I'm assuming you're comparing) has both more technology behind it, be it better suspension, so it can handle around corners without body roll, and without a wheel lifting off the ground straight to comfort on the rocky roads with a flick of a switch, to a nice comfy leather interior, and gadgets to help you find your way to the finish line of the track, just in case you get lost mid way through the track.
6. Us muscle cars still handle like shit. Corvettes still run leaf springs in the rear of them for god sakes. Ride like shit, handle like shit.

pushrod wrote...
3. The gas consumption: Bimmer m3 is maybe handles a little bit better than mustang, but it gets only around 20 mpg highway, compared to 26 mpg on mustang. Mustang v6 has 305 hp while still getting 30 mpg on highway. The 8.4 liter dodge viper might not be as fast as 3.8 L turbocharged gtr, but don't forget, it has more power(600 vs 485 hp, both 2010) and better fuel economy (21 vs 23 mpg). And that new 662 horse shelby gets 24 mpg. For econobox, fiesta also consumes gas like prius.


Let's play the 'oh, american cars use less fuel' game, hey?
1. Are we comparing the stock shitbox mustang vs the m3 here? if so, let me throw figures at you, the m3 weighs a fuckton... it's a luxury german asshole on wheels... so of course it's going to use a little more fuel than your shitty mustang. The mustang has plastic interior, vinyl seats, a heavy as fuck engine, which guzzles fuel like a fat kid eating cake. Not saying the mustang is light, I'm saying it's probably lighter than the m3, in that it is a commercial piece of shit, compared to a luxury sports car
2. We are comparing a v10 viper with a v6 skyline gtr here? Ok, enlighten me. Oh, the gt-r is faster? Oh but what? It's less powerful? I'm sorry, what? It's faster but because it's less powerful, it's suddenly inferior? Also, the gtr is running 21mpg according to my lovely source. The viper was not defined, but being a weighty v10, I'm going to assume it's a fair bit more than that.
3. Fiesta would be rivalled by the iq, the echo and possibly some other small jap cars... dunno about euro cars

pushrod wrote...
4. The price: Where else in this world can you get a 420 hp car for 35000 dollars? Or a 662 horse car for 54k? Only in america. You can also get the vette zr1, king of nurburgring for only 104k.


Ladies, ladies, please... Let's keep off the kid, he's underage.
1. Where can you get a car that has less power, but beats this '420hp' car for under 35k? Evo sounds about the go. they are 35k.
2. Seriously, power isn't everything. Build quality and whether or not you can get the power to the ground factor pretty highly too. I don't know if anybody makes a car that has 662hp outside of america... Such a random number of horsepower, only the americans could produce. Well, I lie, the japs do that with the skyline, but that is justified, as the car's engine is handmade, and no two engines produce the same amount of power, they also produce a fair bit more power than specified iirc
3. The vette zr1 isn't the king of the nurburgring. period The king is the radical sr8... followed by the gumpert apollo, followed by the viper acr

pushrod wrote...
Not only performance cars, but american also wins at any class. What are the best selling car in 2011? Ford f150 first, chevy siverado second, american big ass trucks outsold econoboxes IN 21ST CENTURY. Check out http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/ Ford cars has the best ranks, especially ford fusion and mustang.


Time to step out of your own countries limits there sonny.
1. Honda fit beats your festiva in affordable small cars and hatchbacks, and nothing american in the upscale small car
2. your midsized car guide is quite country bias. why? What the fuck is a fusion? is it like a mondeo? I've never heard of it... so by any country other than america, it doesn't exist, and therefore, since there are more countries outside of america, it moves the accord to first. But seriously, outside of america, american cars sell quite poorly. In australia, jap, euro and australian cars dominate the market, why? Because they are cheaper, and better.
3. 8 out of the like 20 catagories were america 1st and jap or german 2nd and 3rd? the rest were jap or euro. No shit.
4. If you think big ass trucks are something to boast about, guess what? They don't sell outside of america. Nobody else in the world wants a huge ass 'truck' that's going to rape their wallet on an hourly basis.
5. Are you aware that scion is actually toyota, but sold in america, rebadged and possibly with some cheaper bits, but I'm pretty sure they are just rebadged.
The scion fr-s is both the toyota gt-86 and the subaru brz. Why toyota AND subaru? because they put their minds together and made a tribute to one of the best small sports cars ever made.
6. Because you are in usa, you get all us made cars for cheaper, and everything else is more expensive, try living in either euro, or here, in the euro areas, you'll get euro cars cheap as chips, and here, everything is even.



In conclusion, learn shit before you make posts about stuff you think you know...
Hows your ass feel? I think the barbed wire would have made it slightly more enjoyable


Answer to all your arguments:
1) Even with very outdated 50's technology, shitty suspension, and a shitload bucks of price difference, GovernMent Cars and Found On Road Dead can still compete with fancy supercars. That's what king means to me. Gumpert is an imagination compared to vette, you'll never see a gumpert on road.
2) M3 weights a fuckton. 40 lbs heavier is not a fuckton.
3) Weighty v10. They put a big block 8.4 l v10 under the viper's hood and it's still 200 kilos lighter than gtr.

You know, arguing in the internet sounds retarded. Because in real life I only have an 05 dodge neon.
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Kouki
13 years ago
pushrod wrote...
Because in real life I only have an 05 dodge neon.


Then your argument is invalid.

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Lurker3173
13 years ago
let's provide an even country ground for comparison - Philippines. The roads aren't great. more traffic/bumps/shitty roads than you can count. gas that cost over half your monthly wage (given that your gas money is 1k php-this is what most drivers need but fail to save therefore they walk or commute sometimes) given all this, will amercan cars still be better?
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Drifter995 Neko//Night
13 years ago
pushrod wrote...
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Drifter995 wrote...
It's alright guys, I've got this.
I hope your anus is prepared for the barbed wire wrapped dildo I'm about to shove deep in your colon.

pushrod wrote...
Okay, I'm not american, neither asian or yuropean. So there's nothing wrong with being biased here. But I'm not biased to us cars, they're getting better since 2005. In the ages when britney was hot, I was used to like bimmers and hondas. But asian cars suck now. In 2004, when mustang gt had 260 horse, subaru wrx sti had 300. But now, when mustang gt has 420, subaru still has 305! Yeah, like toyota said, keep moving forward, at 5 mph...
Corean cars are overrated. Improving drastically, but still overated. If I were in amurica, I'd pick ford fusion over sonata. German cars are also improving, but still not as good as americans now. People are still buying bimmer and mercedes for brand and image.
The reason why I pick american over anything? The reasons are:


First few things, before I start kicking your ass here:
1. Wrx and evo have never had more than 260~ hp. The evo 9 had 276hp. The 2006 mustang gt has 300, the standard shit one has 210... In a race with an evo, or wrx, it would get it's ass handed to it. why? Grip, power to the ground, and corners.
2. Spelling. I swear to god, you didn't spell any country correctly...
3. The new wrx doesn't need 420hp... it's a boxter 4pot for fuck sakes. The v8 needs 420hp to haul it's fat ass along the ground, the rexxy doesn't need anywhere near that much power to haul it's ass around, and so it does, with awd.
4. Korean cars have always been shit. Kia might start improving, now since it has the toyota's lead developer or something along those lines.
5. German cars have been, are and will be better than american cars... The quality of them is much better, they are 70% built for luxury, bar the sports luxury cars, and the 911 gt-3's... America makes cheap as chips cars, using outdated technology, which shows in their build, and ride performance.
6. People are still buying mercedes and beamers, because they are made to ride like a cloud, and have the power to get them along the road faster than your average car. They have all leather interiors, very modern technology, and other random, not needed crap.

Right, let's begin the onslaught:

pushrod wrote...
1. The design: murican cars look way better than asians even euro. Chrysler 300 maybe has mercedes platform, but it looks way better with lower price. And american car manufacturers revived their aggressive retro looks. Now you can buy a classic muscle looking car with modern parts, good handling, and less fuel consumption, my favorite is challenger. All modern asian cars look sleek and fastidious, so sleek they bored me to death. Mini also revived the mini cooper, but it's only mini, why not bimmer? Why doesn't bimmer make a car with their 80's looks?


Negative captain.
1. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder for one thing
2. the crysler 300c is a poor mans mercedes. it may have a hemi under the hood, and a leather interior, but it still uses outdated engine technologies and doesn't compare to the german craftsmanship
3. You can buy classic jap cars, classic euro cars with brand new engines, brand new running gear, sound better, run better, handle better, etc. Example? the austin healy I think it was, the jaguar e-type, the skyline 2000gtr, etc
4. Again captain, negative. If the american cars are trying their best to look aggressive, and not sleek, they are doing it wrong... you know what sleek does for your car, yeah? less drag, more air into the engine, more aerodynamics, keeps the car on the ground, cool and helps it use less fuel.
5. You realise mini is european, right? Also, to attempt an 80's look, one would either end up with a bucket of shit, or something that has so little aerodynamics, the v8 under the hood decides to use all your fuel on the way to the shops, just 5 minutes down the road.

pushrod wrote...
2. The performance: in these days, us is the only country that still makes ohv engines. Dodge viper and chevy corvette are the examples. Can you believe that? PUSHROD ENGINE? IN 2012? And can you believe that these cars with 60's technology compete with the most technological advanced computerized hundred thousand bucks cars? Neither the half million dollar lexus lfa and porsche 911 can touch dodge viper acr.
Ford mustang gt has the same performance as bmw m3, interesting, considering mustang gt is almost 30000 dollars cheaper than the bimmer. Well of course there's no leather seat, but with 30k you can buy 60 of them. And the gt500 version is even more awesome, it has 650 hp on paper, but actually it puts 662 on the wheels! So, unlike the sixties when muscle cars were only good at straight lines, now they also run at the twisties.


Lesson number 2:
1. ohv? You realise this means 'overhead valves' right? Which means the valves are over the cylinder, not on the side? Having valves on the side of the cylinder was something they stopped doing in the early 50's I think, because it was horrible for burning the fuel, because of the combustion chamber shape and size
2. ohv doesn't mean they are pushrod engines... But still, if they are pushrod engines, pushrod engines are cheaper to make, but are a lot less reliable. more moving parts = more places to go wrong... Cheaper isn't always better.
3. let me just add, no car, NO CAR today runs off purely mechanics... You want to know why? Electronic ignition, fuel injection, electric windows, all that shit needs a computer to run them.
4. You know how you're saying these cars, with examples being mustang gt500 vs a lexus lfa? The mustang would get slaughtered. the lfa went around the nurburgring in 7:14.64, the 2013 mustang gt500 was ranging from 7:45(in testing) That is a lot of time difference.
5. I'll remind you once again, the beamer, the m3 (which I'm assuming you're comparing) has both more technology behind it, be it better suspension, so it can handle around corners without body roll, and without a wheel lifting off the ground straight to comfort on the rocky roads with a flick of a switch, to a nice comfy leather interior, and gadgets to help you find your way to the finish line of the track, just in case you get lost mid way through the track.
6. Us muscle cars still handle like shit. Corvettes still run leaf springs in the rear of them for god sakes. Ride like shit, handle like shit.

pushrod wrote...
3. The gas consumption: Bimmer m3 is maybe handles a little bit better than mustang, but it gets only around 20 mpg highway, compared to 26 mpg on mustang. Mustang v6 has 305 hp while still getting 30 mpg on highway. The 8.4 liter dodge viper might not be as fast as 3.8 L turbocharged gtr, but don't forget, it has more power(600 vs 485 hp, both 2010) and better fuel economy (21 vs 23 mpg). And that new 662 horse shelby gets 24 mpg. For econobox, fiesta also consumes gas like prius.


Let's play the 'oh, american cars use less fuel' game, hey?
1. Are we comparing the stock shitbox mustang vs the m3 here? if so, let me throw figures at you, the m3 weighs a fuckton... it's a luxury german asshole on wheels... so of course it's going to use a little more fuel than your shitty mustang. The mustang has plastic interior, vinyl seats, a heavy as fuck engine, which guzzles fuel like a fat kid eating cake. Not saying the mustang is light, I'm saying it's probably lighter than the m3, in that it is a commercial piece of shit, compared to a luxury sports car
2. We are comparing a v10 viper with a v6 skyline gtr here? Ok, enlighten me. Oh, the gt-r is faster? Oh but what? It's less powerful? I'm sorry, what? It's faster but because it's less powerful, it's suddenly inferior? Also, the gtr is running 21mpg according to my lovely source. The viper was not defined, but being a weighty v10, I'm going to assume it's a fair bit more than that.
3. Fiesta would be rivalled by the iq, the echo and possibly some other small jap cars... dunno about euro cars

pushrod wrote...
4. The price: Where else in this world can you get a 420 hp car for 35000 dollars? Or a 662 horse car for 54k? Only in america. You can also get the vette zr1, king of nurburgring for only 104k.


Ladies, ladies, please... Let's keep off the kid, he's underage.
1. Where can you get a car that has less power, but beats this '420hp' car for under 35k? Evo sounds about the go. they are 35k.
2. Seriously, power isn't everything. Build quality and whether or not you can get the power to the ground factor pretty highly too. I don't know if anybody makes a car that has 662hp outside of america... Such a random number of horsepower, only the americans could produce. Well, I lie, the japs do that with the skyline, but that is justified, as the car's engine is handmade, and no two engines produce the same amount of power, they also produce a fair bit more power than specified iirc
3. The vette zr1 isn't the king of the nurburgring. period The king is the radical sr8... followed by the gumpert apollo, followed by the viper acr

pushrod wrote...
Not only performance cars, but american also wins at any class. What are the best selling car in 2011? Ford f150 first, chevy siverado second, american big ass trucks outsold econoboxes IN 21ST CENTURY. Check out http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/ Ford cars has the best ranks, especially ford fusion and mustang.


Time to step out of your own countries limits there sonny.
1. Honda fit beats your festiva in affordable small cars and hatchbacks, and nothing american in the upscale small car
2. your midsized car guide is quite country bias. why? What the fuck is a fusion? is it like a mondeo? I've never heard of it... so by any country other than america, it doesn't exist, and therefore, since there are more countries outside of america, it moves the accord to first. But seriously, outside of america, american cars sell quite poorly. In australia, jap, euro and australian cars dominate the market, why? Because they are cheaper, and better.
3. 8 out of the like 20 catagories were america 1st and jap or german 2nd and 3rd? the rest were jap or euro. No shit.
4. If you think big ass trucks are something to boast about, guess what? They don't sell outside of america. Nobody else in the world wants a huge ass 'truck' that's going to rape their wallet on an hourly basis.
5. Are you aware that scion is actually toyota, but sold in america, rebadged and possibly with some cheaper bits, but I'm pretty sure they are just rebadged.
The scion fr-s is both the toyota gt-86 and the subaru brz. Why toyota AND subaru? because they put their minds together and made a tribute to one of the best small sports cars ever made.
6. Because you are in usa, you get all us made cars for cheaper, and everything else is more expensive, try living in either euro, or here, in the euro areas, you'll get euro cars cheap as chips, and here, everything is even.



In conclusion, learn shit before you make posts about stuff you think you know...
Hows your ass feel? I think the barbed wire would have made it slightly more enjoyable


Answer to all your arguments:
1) Even with very outdated 50's technology, shitty suspension, and a shitload bucks of price difference, GovernMent Cars and Found On Road Dead can still compete with fancy supercars. That's what king means to me. Gumpert is an imagination compared to vette, you'll never see a gumpert on road.
2) M3 weights a fuckton. 40 lbs heavier is not a fuckton.
3) Weighty v10. They put a big block 8.4 l v10 under the viper's hood and it's still 200 kilos lighter than gtr.

You know, arguing in the internet sounds retarded. Because in real life I only have an 05 dodge neon.


That isn't all my arguments, lol. those are my ehish ones.. you completely missed the weak responses. derp
1. I didn't say they had outdated 50's technology, unless you mean leaf springs, then probably, but cars still use them... want to know what cars still use them? 1tonner utes. And, correction, There is no gmc car that can keep up with a 'fancy' supercar... If you want to get technical, gmc doesn't actually make cars at all... But, I'm not ignorant, I know that gmc owns dodge, chevorlet, holden, etc etc. I also find it funny that the australian made cars can eat up the american made ones, and they are about the same price... probably a little more, due to our pretty crappy economy.
Buut, I'll throw out something fun for you, your pontiac gto's are australian made, with australian engines :3
But anyway, I'm not denying the viper can compete with some of the better supercars around the world, because, if I'm honest, it's one of my favourite cars. Doesn't mean they are actually built well at all. nor do they go easy on fuel, hauling their big fat v8's and such.
2. I never said it was a fuckton heavier than the mustang, I'm saying it weighs a fuckton in general. just under 1700kg's is a fuckton. My car weighs 900kg's... also, the el cheapo stang weighs 1600kgs, the m5 weighs 1950kgs and would still flog the mustang.
3. gtr weighs 1690kg the viper weighs 1540kgs... but the gtr is still faster? Oh dear, how that weight saving on the viper really helps it against a baby v6.
But still, v10, more cylinders, more fuel used. Despite being just over 100kgs lighter, a v10 would use much more fuel

I enjoy arguing over cars, car are my hobby, and I enjoy talking about them. Despite the fact I drive a 1977 honda civic.

Also, lurker, that's why I'm commenting, I'm in the middle grounds: Australia. Roads are shit, fuel prices are shit, everybody is starting to buy cheap 4pot cars to save money on fuel. and since i'm in the middle grounds, I have a much better idea on price comparrison than him, since he'd get the american cars cheaper, as they are local, and the euro's get euro cars cheaper cause local. we get both after heafty import taxes, etc. much fun

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