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If you're talking about the [size=29]HEEHAW[/h] then yes, the entire point of it was to annoy people, I did a really good job too, it seems.

Then as stated earlier: you don't belong here. You can't refuse to convert to this section's culture and expect no one to object when you toss up stupid or beta comments. The very nature of the board is to eat people like you.



Probably but that doesn't change any of the facts, I am a moderator, I can force people to change and will if I feel like it. Make your own website if you don't like that, www.carebears.net is probably still free.



If it does then it means he wasn't able to adapt quickly enough, but as I have evidence that some users have been able to adapt in the past I have no reason to treat him less severely. Like I said "sink or swim".



Did you read the rest of my post? I never hid my hostility. I do want him to get better(I called it a secondary goal) but my overall goal to mock him couldn't have been missed, a blind retarded monkey could see my intent, so how did you miss it? You act as if my primary goal is in direct conflict with my secondary when it's not. I can have my cake and eat it too.



That's complete nonsense, the vast majority of people who are paid to critique others, or to help other human beings(psychiatrists, psychologist) are narcissists. I do recognize others would do my job differently, they do do my job differently(the rest of the staff), but I'm not asking him to conform to my standard of moderation, I'm asking him to conform to the sections standard of posting. I don't understand your point here, you're pretty much just complaining about how you believe he would handle things differently than I would and that you believe his method would be better. What I don't understand is why you think your opinion matters? You're incensed that I'm an egotistical jerk? So what of it? It doesn't make your opinion matter more, nor does it make you right. Thus far I've had evidence that my methods work and I've seen nothing but hostility and failure arise when I haven't stepped in(the way he was treated by the community before I even spoke to him is evidence).

As a final note: that's a weird point you made about the name of our forums and sections because if I look up at the menu bar it says forums and when I was a section moderator the site owner called us section moderators. Perhaps you should leave your knowledge of other forums out of our debate, they're wrong and make you look ignorant of our customs.



That's good for you, you're a really good person. Back in the real world where the rest of us live I'm a grey area, someone who's is both good and bad. Like the rest of the world I prioritize my own interest over those of others. It doesn't mean I don't care about what's good, nor the best interest of those around me, but on these forums I'm permitted to put them behind my own. I have nothing to justify, it's simply the facts.



(Hiding behind the title of moderator, how mature.)[/quote]

I am a mod, I can force others to do what I want. I'm not hiding, I'm presenting facts. I don't see how maturity has anything to do with this. You're trying to do the same thing to me, you're attempting to force your preachy self-righteous(some might say arrogant) opinions and ideals on me but the only difference is you have no power to enforce it.



Confidence and bravado are indistinguishable from each other on a forum, so regardless of which I have in abundance they both amount to the same thing: someone with more power than you telling you how things are. It still has nothing to do with this debate or my choices.



All people who post in IB seek acceptance, the other forums may give people knowledge or assistance among other things but IB is special.



I mock people and it's okay because that's both what the section is for and what I want to do, helping is just an added bonus if it happens.



I have admitted countless times in the past that I'm an asshole and love acting this way, it seems maybe you just didn't get the memo. I'm not beating around any bush, I can't be more clear about my message, but you seem to have trouble grasping it. Maybe you should spend more than 5 minutes on a website so you can get a better understanding of your surroundings in the future. What this seems to come down to is you don't believe I can both help him and mock him, and I do; good thing it's up to me which path I choose to take.



I agree, Fakku is tame, and the other mods do deal with it differently than I do. Now you're trying to guess at my motives, and we've barely gone on our first date. I'd at least like to get the cheque before you try to boil my entire psyche down into "he has self esteem issues". You don't know me very well and you don't know these forums at all it seems so while your soap box is pretty it's not something I've never seen before. You think I'm a big jerk, you don't like the way I do things, you think you know everything about me and think I should be fired. So this is where I tell you all of that is meaningless, you won't get me fired, you wont convince me to reform(as you've stated nothing but your opinions and indignation), and you won't change this section's purpose or the culture of it's community, save yourself some time and either leave this section or get used to how things work around here. I just saved us both 10 pages of back and forth where you leave unsatisfied.

kinda reminds me of Imperial vs IB...

I think this is the first time the "don't reply, you already lost" thing has ever worked.

ples help, everyboty bullyng me...

Report it, another mod should deal with it because I'm suspicious of you.

You have completely misjudged my stance on the matter countless times, bravo. I think you're an arrogant prick but that doesn't mean I think you should be fired, I disagreed with the way you went about things this time but that doesn't mean I'll disagree with them every time. I do not think I know everything about you, I'm just calling it out as I see it and making assumptions just like you are.



Trouble grasping it? Are you daft? I just called you an arrogant prick, I'm pretty sure hit the nail with the hammer dead on and you even agreed to that previously. You're all over the place with this one.

Yes, you were beating around the bush, instead of writing out a novel about the things you won't do and why you won't do them and how much of a glorious asshole you are you could have just come out and said:

"I'm an arrogant prick and this is the way I do things, if you don't like it too bad."

Instead of writing thirty god damned paragraphs about it, get to the point.



No they are not, the difference between bravado and confidence can be defined through inference and context. Saying they aren't is just your way of justifying your actions to make you feel better about what you do.



And if they said it was arrogant they'd be right. I could care less whether or not I have the 'power' to force my ideals and opinions on you. Did David ever stop trying to defeat Goliath just because he was outmatched?

I don't believe you have the power to enforce your opinions and ideals on me. Go ahead and get me banned, lock my threads or delete my posts, I'm not going to stop being who I am, arguing with who I want and trying to change what I want just because you tell me to.



If it was singular instead of plural that would make sense. If you look up the term forum it is almost always defined as "an internet message board" or "an internet bulletin board". If it's used in plural it would mean "a collection of message boards" and Fakku only has one message board. Thus the definition needs to be taken in the classic sense where the "forums" link refers to a collection of forums grouped into categories (Fakku!, General, Special Interest) on a message board.

You're going to have a tough time beating a semantic web developer and working ontologist on how things are named and why.



They are entirely in conflict with each other. Humiliating him and trying to teach him through that isn't going to teach him what you're intending to get across.

He won’t learn to do things better, he won’t learn to upgrade his skills and he won’t learn to trust his ability to learn.


What he will learn instead is to:

Embrace rigidity.

“I can’t do this. No way. No how.”

Play it safe.

“I’ll just make a fool of myself so I’m sticking to the tried and true.”

Shirk responsibility.

“It’s too hard for me; you have to tell me how to be a better poster."

Develop a fixed perspective.

“I’ve never been any good at this and I never will be.”

You're just making the problem even worse.

Most psychologists and therapists are not narcissistic, again, read a book sometime.

Bill and Waar are both arrogant, self-righteous, like forcing their opinions and ideals upon humanity and neither are ever going to admit they're wrong. It's like watching a demon argue with an angel.

Okay, let's go



I always deal with new people I find annoying like this, so unless you're saying it's okay for me to treat some people like this and not okay for others then you're wrong; I will do things that irk you in the future and my reply will be the same.



Two minutes ago you accused me of trying to hide behind a guise of helpfulness (which you mentioned you almost believed) and now you're saying that you didn't misunderstand the fact that i"m not helpful and am just a giant asshole, this is the trouble I'm referring to. In other words I've been clear about my stance but you didn't understand it at first, are you still following me?



No, this is my posting style, if you want shorter posts try twitter. I also want to note this is a fairly good example of pot v kettle.



Arrogance is defined as:

ar·ro·gance
noun
offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride.

and bravado:

bra·va·do
noun, plural bra·va·does, bra·va·dos.
1. Defiant or swaggering behavior: strove to prevent our courage from turning into bravado.
2. A pretense of courage; a false show of bravery.
3. A disposition toward showy defiance or false expressions of courage.

while confidence is described as:

con·fi·dence
noun
1. belief in oneself and one's powers or abilities; self-confidence; self-reliance; assurance: His lack of confidence defeated him.
2. certitude; assurance: He described the situation with such confidence that the audience believed him completely.

It seems to me that you're accusing me of a false display superiority, self-importance and overbearing pride. So I'd like you to explain using "inference and context" what leads you to believe I display arrogant bravado but have no real confidence. This should be good for a laugh.



No, had David lost he would have been killed... Sisyphus would have been a better analogy, that being said if you know you wont convince me, that I wont stop being a big jerk to people what do you hope to gain by rolling your rock up the hill?



If I banned you(or those whom I originally spoke with) I would be stopping you from arguing publicly, it wouldn't put an end to your private communication and you could just follow the other recent users and create multiple accounts which I would then have to ban even more but that isn't much of a problem for me. You are correct to state I can't force you to believe what I believe, I can simply silence you. That isn't the threat here I'm never going to ban you for disagreeing with me, I don't fear any intellectual/philosophical debate. The threat was that I would curb their communication until they grasped how to use IB properly, as I've done to other fine pillars of the community in the past.



No I won't, I'm backed up by the names our site creator uses and you're back up by other websites, as I said they don't mean anything here. If you're like to have the names changed feel free to start and thread in feedback but as it stands now you have nothing.



I don't agree, it has taught others, it seems your way isn't the only way.



They have in the past.



I don't agree, anything other than your opinion to present?



Guess not, lemme know when you're done uselessly flopping around and have something other than pure conjecture or opinion.

I said I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, that meant I believed you to be lying but as I could not prove it or had enough material to form an opinion I decided to accept it as a truth for the moment in time. I did not1 "almost believe you"



And you've made several accusations yourself without actually backing any of them up, saying I'd create multiple accounts to get back at you, that I want you fired, that I'm self-righteous. The moment you start backing up your accusations I'll do the same. If you're willing to agree to back up what you've already accused me of I will more than gladly do the same, I don't feel like making this an argument that you can just pick at while not putting forth anything valuable of your own for me to pick at.



Philosophical and intellectual debate, entertainment. I agree that Sisyphus would have been a better analogy.



I'm not the type of person who would create multiple accounts just to get back at someone.





The second passage is referring to the extremes of humiliation but one can logically conclude that less severe and similar effects are created when less severe public humiliation is undergone.

Humiliation: It's Nature and Consequences
Torres and Bergner
Volume 38, Number 2, 2010 199, passages from page 5, 6 & 7





Oh and I suppose you saying that the majority of Psychologists and therapists are narcissist wasn't pure opinion and conjecture? It wasn't opinion and conjecture when you said you can have your cake and eat it too? It wasn't opinion and conjecture when you said I wanted you to be fired? Speaking of pot vs kettle...

give somebody the benefit of the doubt
to believe something good about someone, rather than something bad, when you have the possibility of doing either

Perhaps you didnt mean to use that particular idiom, it implies you believed me to be telling the truth, that my motives were to help. That seems to be the misunderstanding here.



I didn't accuse you of making accounts, I said it was a possibility for you or anyone I decided to ban(I even suggested that you're not the one I originally targeted with my posts in this thread and banning was never on the table). The suggestion that you're acting self-righteous is based on your moralistic approach to this incident, your outrage at how "arrogant" I'm being and the "bravado" I'm showing. Finally the idea that you want me fired was me lumping you in with the gaggle of people who have come before you and raised similar concerns with my methods(as you did). It was at worst a generalization and was not me citing or quoting anything you said, I don't think I ever believed you would try to have me fired. Now that I've explained myself can you please explain your comments? Comments made before I made mine.



Alright, I can appreciate that you're not trying to re-invent the wheel, I will gladly continue this. I'm amused, it's been a while since I've found a monster of my own species.



I said it earlier in this post but ill readdress it now. I'm not accusing you, simply stating what any banned user could do.





While I appreciate that you looked up a journal to find evidence that proves bullies are bad it's not the point I'm trying to argue. I want them to deal with the harshness of this section, if they cant handle a mod calling them out for "trying too hard" they'll be destroyed by the assholes in this section. They will be humiliated in IB, it's unavoidable. If you look at their history thus far they've received a number of hostile replies and many of which were more harsh and humiliating than "you're trying too hard". Again, my primary goals isn't to help them but I do still believe my methods can help in the long run. Slayer hated me for months, saw me as an adversary, probably still does. He's also stronger and more prepared to deal with the shit people throw in this section(You're still slightly shit Slayer).

I've helped other users acclimate themselves and I've been humiliated in the past as well. So I'm going to continue to do so until it doesn't work for me or I want to try something better.



No, that is my opinion, based on conversations with psychiatrists, psychologist, and others who received higher educations. Some I went to school with, others I met through the number of jobs I've had. Generally I find people with better educations tend to end up very confident in themselves, to the point or narcissism in most cases.

That being said you're trying to convince me to change the way I do things, so it's your job to present whatever it takes to change my mind in this case, in a way you need to hear my opinions so you know what to counter. So far nothing you've said has convinced me that people who help others don't tend to love themselves.

Got sauce? :D

I have to dig deep in 4 different boards for that...

Oh. . . ok then, thanks anyways


:D

It's people like you who shit on proper grammar and make society sound retarded.

"An" is used when the first syllable of the next word is a vowel pronunciation; words like "honor," "element," and "awesome." "A" is used when the fist syllable of the next word is not a vowel pronunciation.