#Brexit

So is this permanent or would they be allowed back into the EU if they got on their knees and begged for mercy?

Honestly, it's better to have options in case something goes wrong.

It'd be terrible to burn down a bridge and have no way to rebuild it if later needed.

Yea I've been following the salt all night

I'm going to post my salt mines later

Appeal to authority in supposedly larger numbers
Appeal to authority

What a meaningful and insightful contribution.

@Masayoshi
Bridges aren't being burned, borders and conditions are being set. Groveling back would just be another waste of time & money while losing more sovereignty. If the EU were to change it's ways (which doesn't seem too likely), there wouldn't be a problem. With it's attempts to become a super state by wanting a national army, already trying to get a single Treasury and building a state infrastructure...I'd say it's foolish for any individual country to want to remain. Nothing to stop them from trading with each other, travel will be a bit more inconvenient but is that sort of pragmatism worth keeping?

Is that your breakdown of my post? I never thought you'd miss the mark by that much. I can clarify if it helps. I haven't made up my mind whether the brexit is a bad thing, but a bunch of guys on a forum posting opinions aren't gonna weigh more than financial experts in the matter. My "meaningful and insightful contribution" is admitting that I don't know everything and that I want to keep an open mind about things I have absolutely no idea about, perhaps you should follow my example sometimes.

I would not suggest the President being a reliable gauge of information.

Professionals could mean something.

Obviously something is going to change. And it is likely to get worse before it gets better.

But I doubt it's going to be the extreme collapse that people are worried about. The European Union is not going to stop trade with the UK. It's just not going to happen. They'll quickly make a work around and then develop agreements that will be similar to what was in place already honestly.

It's hard to also fault people for not wanting the immigrants. Even if it's not on the worry of what has happened in Paris and Brussels happening there. There is the fact that it's is incredibly costly to support these immigrants. And many, even if not being a terrorist, have no desire to integrate into where they are or even be of any productive use for the amount that is being spent on them.

So any return on investment (which is not likely to come and is more likely to be just a continued cost) is going to be at least a generation or two down the line in coming.

And despite only a small percentage might actually being extremist, that small percentage is a viable threat to people as is evidenced in the Paris attacks and the Brussels attacks.

Thanks for the comprehensive post. What I still don't fully understand is the full immigration argument, from what I've heard through CNN is the brexit won't stem the tide of immigrants from places like Syria, it's to stop an open door policy with other EU members citizens, so say someone from Belgium wanting to move to Staffordshire. Is there still a major concern for terrorism there? I guess I can see it but it seems a lot less of a problem than "Omar from Damascus" coming in to cause chaos.

As it stand my country has seen a very real return on investment for the 30,000 Syrians who've come to our country. The vast majority want to work, and want to put down roots. So while they wait for Canadian citizenship they work as laborers in government programs, jobs which most are unwilling to do. The harsh truth of the matter is we're getting a very cheap almost slave labor force at a small cost. I pay higher taxes than you do and I want you to understand: it's still manageable.

All of that being said, circumstances are different in England than they are here, so I don't think I should do a side by side comparison and I think that's where Americans get into trouble. My country isn't your country and vice versa so I think it might be best to let the Brits do as they please; remain aware of the situation, but don't state your opinions as reality(not that you did).

Whether you agree, disagree or are neutral where not relevant. You were literally just saying "hey some unnamed experts and Obama disagree...but I'm totally not saying anything either way".

Like, how is that insightful? Who are these experts and what exactly are they saying? What does it matter if you're taking their word with more weight than anyone here?

Welp, my initial post was lost in the maintenance.

I think there's pressure from the EU for countries to accept immigrants. Leaving the EU probably makes it easier to change the current practices concerning the Syrian immigrants.

Here in Germany many of the Syrian immigrants don't seem to want to integrate. And the economy is honestly not really strong enough to support them. Many Germans don't really like the Syrian refugees here either which only got stronger after the Paris and Brussels attacks.

And I think the fact that they don't have to adhere to the EU standards for people going between countries (so now someone can't just pick up and start living in England persay) it opens for vetting reform as well so it at least makes it harder for people to say come and set up a base under the guise of living there.

I wouldn't be surprised if people start to push for a more isolationist approach in the UK now.

And I think the cell that was responsible in Brussels was mostly taken care of (impossible to say for sure.) there are still very real and credible threats in this area. There is one being expected within the next month or so. Right around the time of the Tour de France and the UEFA EURO in France.

From a historical standpoint this is how immigration tends to repeat itself: from the Gauls moving into Rome to the Irish coming to America there's always resistance from the more conservative isolationist members of a society and while it may seem like immigrants just want to live off the government dime they will eventually put down roots when everything settles. I do see where the concern is coming from but again I'm not sure leaving the EU is going to accomplish conservative goals. It does seem like an isolationist wet dream rather than a policy any country can maintain.



And what you've been doing is completely different right? Offering an opinion an a matter which has no statistical backing. Why is your comment "insightful" while my attempt to gain insight less valid? Cruz, in case you missed it, I was asking to be swayed one way or another because all I've received from the start of all of this has been the left speaking with experts and the right clamoring about immigration. You are right however, none of that really matters, it's just one person trying to talk to other people who have different opinions... it matters as much as your opinions do in this case.

How?



Because I said my thoughts and didn't merely appeal to authority.


You came out saying you tend to belief "a large number of professionals", which is fine (but completely dishonest if you were truly looking to be swayed by people on porn forums), but you never said why and what their reasoning was. I've already addressed this notion that those who wanted to leave were neither isolationist or anti-immigration.

But assuming you where being sincere here, what is it that you want me to prove?

Heck, there are quite a lot of leave voters who didn't think it would pass.
[link]

Saw that multiple times. Most of these people say they did it because they were sure it wouldn't pass. If anything it highlights people's frustrations with the EU, but desire for its benefits. As I said earlier nothing is set in stone yet, but if EU reconsiders it's policies and pursuit of power, most people in the UK if not all of Europe would benefit greatly from joining.

Because believe me, I know the frustration a lot of UK scientists feel.

There are people on Twitter demanding that they go and beat up old people because of brexit

If they haven't voted, they have no right to complain.
That should shut some up.

>Millennials
>shut up

ಠ_ಠ

I don't know what this thread is about.

https://twitter.com/PettanPettan/status/747064972643958785?s=09

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/667908/Jean-Claude-Juncker-EU-referendum-Brexit-democracy-UK-Britain-Cameron Vierte Reich at it's finest.

Just let the Haoles do their thing.