Ayulsa City - Ieeya

So, should I see if I find that baby pic of mine?

How would you say that one is fucked when they are born into this world?

Of course one is. Just by being born, you're forced to face all crap you never wanted to. And worse of all, you're condemned to be so fucking free you involuntarily attach meaning onto things. And suffer/be happy at the meanings you yourself attached.

Worse of all, you never had any choice.

Ugh, another depressing question....

*looking at Mibu's answer*

...... And another depressing answer, if I may say...

How is it worse when you're free?

What about the pros? The things in life that make all the suffering worth it?

Whether it is worse or better is up for debate. However, I say it is worse because simply by being born, we're forced to be free. The freedom to attach meaning to things. Poverty is bad? Not really, only us say so. Being fit is good? Nah, it is simply us liking to be healthy. Surely healthy is good, or at least favorable? Only because we think so. We simply cannot help to put a meaning into something. While the meanings we attached into things may vary, we simply cannot help thinking in terms of meaning. We cannot avoid that.

And that's the freedom I was talking about. The freedom we never got to deny.

And by "it's better to be a rock", I was referring to this freedom too. I think it is simply easier without such a freedom. Of course, without that we wouldn't even have a mind, but it is having a mind that is the hassle.

@art: I believe I dismissed the concept of "worth it" with what I wrote. It is only worth it because we think it is. Not to mention only a happy man is able to cherish such a freedom, despite the fact that it is a forced one.

Tolstoy's Anna Karenina: "Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way."

Hmm...

Uhhh...... *blinking few times*
I can understand that, "every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way" thing, but not with, "Happy families are all alike". Can you explain it, Prof. Mibu?

All alike, duh.

It is mostly unrelated to the freedom thing. I quoted it only because the very concept of "worth it", to me at least, would only be thought of by happy people. Therefore it is biased since only a group of people, having nothing to do with intelligence/reason in general, is able to believe in it.

The quote is pretty simple actually. Take happy people. There are so many factors of happiness, all of which must be fulfilled at the same time for the person to be happy. As such, all happy people are alike, since they're the people with 'all the factors fulfilled'. While unhappy ones may fail in a certain factor, and another unhappy person fails in another. The failures may be very different, but all leads to unhappiness while only one case leads to happiness; no failures.

That is to say... happiness is really fragile.

@Rise: I don't accuse anything, but try not to pretend you understand if you don't.

Hoo... I can swallow this one, since someone else had said something similiar long ago. Thank you, Prof. Mibu! ^_^

You know this better than anyone, right mibs?

I don't need the prof attached to my name. I do what everyone else does, think.

@art: well, yeah. though I don't understand why I specifically and humans in general yearn for happiness so much when it is so easily corrupted. Forget outside factors, we can ruin our own happiness just by being immature/stupid/cowardly/etc.

There there, don't need to bother with small details, ok Prof? ^_^

Principle of least action. Since I don't bother with it, and you should not too, since you tell me not to, why waste energy typing it?

Very true indeed, yet I've seen you reach for that happiness with everything you've got. So I guess the ultimate answer is, even IF all that is forced, why would a practical, logical, and overall smart guy still do something so... irrational, I guess the right term is?

I'll just leave it at that for now, mibs. Off to sleep. Smell ya later.

I wish I can understand it someday. And that my current happiness will last til the day I cease to exist.

@Mibu: Since I got spare energy to type it? And because I also want it? :D

@Art: Cause he still has emotions? Emotion tends to make someone behave irrationally.

I take that as you don't know what principle of least action is.

Well whatever. I ask you to stop with the prof. I don't think I deserve that label yet.