This Girl

http://www.mangahere.co/manga/fukushuu_kyoushitsu/

Hawt.

kinda boring

You're a bitch.

so is she

and not in the good way

>gets pushed into traffic

Japan has such a serious bullying problem.

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Read first chapter. It has my interest but she's not particularly attractive.

Maybe when it's all done it won't in the stereotypical, "She went too far" way.

At first I was actually rooting for her, but by the end of that second chapter I was like wow that bitch.

Today. Op wasn't a fgt.

Funny cuz I read that like four hours ago xD

2nd revenge wasn't really as harsh. Just because she started to show a bit of remorse at the end doesn't mean her parents won't have found out she was out drinking with men much older than her while skipping cram school. Even if her motivation for letting them know wasn't pure, she didn't do anything wrong.

She might have not been a scumbag rapist but she did help enable the harassment the protagonist got.

Shallow

It's fine to be upset about losing friends but that does not justify Ayana punishing her for that(which I like). Takishima didn't make people bully Ayana after fighting with her, the bullies simply took advantage of that fact. Also why didn't Ayana try to make up with Takishima after that fight? Even if it wasn't her fault it should be obvious that Ayana was under a lot of stress and later on it was shown she was acutely distressed by Ayana's mistreatment. Ayana's bullying issue could have been under her own control, unless future circumstances elaborate on why she isn't in control-I'm almost certain Ayana's being very selfish in this pursuit of revenge. Could or could not be a bad thing.

Takishima's parents are actively trying to isolate her from society, the one thing that keeps her sane(as evidenced by her outbursts). The other guy can move somewhere else and start new, this girl will be lucky if she can even see somewhere else.

I agree with Sprite, it's pretty shallow on paper considering how much they've left up in the air and the tired bullying victim play but maybe this will play out right. I'll stick with it till I find better things.

>victims of bullying are completely control of their situations
I disagree. If it's established that her tormentors are insane enough to push someone into traffic, they're definitely malicious enough to mentally/physically harass someone to the point where they're conditioned to not speak.

>Ayana is being selfish for asking help from someone who's ethical obligated to do something
Okay. Let's also forget that she treated her like a creep after the fact, and didn't do much for previous harassment sessions.

I'd still say that technically she didn't do anything wrong in the 2nd revenge. Even if she knew her parents were not only strict but possibly abusive, what they do isn't controlled by her. One could also argue that minors shouldn't be out with adults drinking, and that guardians/parents have a right to know. It's not fair to say that one person should be in control of not being physically assaulted but then that we should be sympathetic to someone who couldn't stand up to her parents.

Her cold indifference to those who start getting a change of heart might lead to interesting scenarios later but I'm not holding my breath. It's a very new series that has time to make itself more compelling. I'm just confused as to why people are okie dokie with the first revenge but shocked at the 2nd one. They're very similar in concept. It's just that one person is a lot less terrible than the other.

Well since you said "if it's established" then you've probably entertained the idea that it's not a classmate that pushed her into traffic but I'd rather hold on that thought for now. So I'll assume that it was one of the bullies.

The problem is they haven't given concrete proof of her powerlessness, only implied it from her side(which is obviously colored). Granted it's only two chapters in but somewhere down the line they need to show why she's powerless. Without evidence, I'm going to assume she handled this poorly if at all(with the reverse true). It's entirely possible that despite the tormentor's degree of maliciousness and cunning, she COULD have found a way out. I would have to see the degree of the tormentor's previous actions myself. This conversation feels a bit premature.



I'm not saying Ayana is being selfish for asking for help, I'm saying it's wrong for Ayana to seek vengeance on Takeshima (although the manga could make that interesting). Yes Takeshima did treat her like crap(while being under the weather) but Ayana still could have approached her in the future(maybe she did but it didn't go well? Show evidence). Regardless, a cut relationship is not grounds for ruining Takeshima's relations with her parents and society. Friends can forgive(and will as Takeshima showed) but what Ayana has done will scar Takeshima. Both parties were at fault there: Takeshima for honoring her promise to neglect Ayana and Ayana for not being compassionate when it mattered in the past and present.



They already said Takeshima had a decent reason for neglecting Ayana that one time. She's got ALOT on her hands and while it's terrible that her friend was neglected as a result, it's far-fetched to say she didn't do much in the past when she comforted Ayana.

What about Ayana choosing not to make peace with Takeshima? I'm interested in you addressing that.



If I threw a man wearing a coat of meat into a feral lion pit, I would not be innocent. Ayana set up the situation knowing full well that the consequences would cause suffering worthy of the pain she's felt. Regardless of the outcome, she meant harm.



Well I mourn the victims and guilty in this case. I prefer not to speak for others.



Well it's person not people(I don't think anything in this is fine). You said it yourself, she's kinder than the previous victim. Takeshima was also not directly involved nor showed intention to bully Ayana. In moral standing, details and extenuating circumstances are incredibly important. I'll also blame the infectious white and black attitudes toward cheating for coloring people's judgement of the first victim.

I might be saying this prematurely, but I feel as though Ayana is supposed to be an antihero. Her actions are meant to offend the viewer but to what ends or effectiveness remains to be seen.

http://www.mangahere.co/manga/amari_mawari/

And now for something adorable.

Why are you so perfect.

Well no shit. She could've also toughened up and be a Banchō of Pompadour wearing delinquents. What did happen is that she's been raped, physical assaulted on several occasions, constantly harassed and isolated from her peers and generally left in despair("if I kept quiet it'll end quicker"). Blaming her because she COULD'VE done something at one point is insidious.




Just like you brought up the point of the possibility that someone COULD have done something, Prez could've done something about her parents. And again, this doesn't not absolve her from her ethical duties. Not even gonna touch on the immorality of abandoning someone and knowing that it'll make their lives even more miserable.



Again this goes back to mental state of a person in constant despair.



Comparison isn't apt. Already explained to you why it's not immoral. She neither urged her parents to abuse her, nor did she make class prez go to bars with strange men. If a young boy reports reports and identifies a crook who shot his father in a home robbery, is it somehow wrong if he knew the crooks life was going to be more difficult? In the end of the day she was a spiteful anonymous(presumably) tipper with credible information, not a malicious zoo keeper.




Don't really care that you mourn. Just answer the question. Why is okay to expect something from one victim of circumstance but not another?



Her authority and standing are directly related to the harassment of others.

I won't disagree that she's an anti-hero whom people will probably dislike.
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As weird as it might seem, I want her to do something very elaborate that makes me end up hating her. I understand why people feel sympathy for her "victims" but I think in the end of the day the whole class is very messed up. Varying degrees of "evil" is still "evil".

I do not understand why you can blame Takishima for not standing up to her parents when Fujisawa did not react appropriately to her bullying especially after you stated that is insidious.

Blaming Fujisawa for being unable to fix her own problems when a rational solution existed is reasonable. Why not go into law enforcement protective custody if someone threatened her life? Why pursue this suicidal vengeance when she still has a future ahead of her? What does this vengeance accomplish in the end besides ruining more lives? What Fujisawa's suffered to doesn't justify the mistakes she's made, especially with what they've done to others.



I am more willing to tolerate Takeshima's mistakes than Fujisawa's. Because she is more than willing to atone for her mistakes, it won't undo what's been done but it's still a step in the right direction and better than nothing(which could have meant a world's difference with Fujisawa's isolation). On the other hand, Fujisawa desires suffering and misery to fulfill her personal vendetta that will undoubtedly sow more chaos.



Even if her life is terrible that doesn't mean she has the right to make other people's lives the same, not with her personal vendetta as the objective.



The boy is held liable for ruining another life despite doing the right thing. No one should be morally just in inflicting suffering, punishment is a tool to be used out of necessity and the weight behind helps ensures that. I'm not saying the boy should be punished but he shouldn't be proud of it.

In this case I'm not addressing the outcome, she fully intended on making her suffer by throwing her into harm's way. What is important is that Fujisawa wanted her to suffer in a cruel fashion. Why assume she would not want Takeshima's current predicament? She's not going to have any remorse when she learns of the results of her meddling and it's only going to further her resolve to ruin more lives.



You asked why people show sympathy for one but not the other. I showed that I mourned for both. But sure I'll answer that question. It's because the circumstances are different, you yourself acknowledged that Takeshima is leagues better than that rapist.



I'm willing to bet that class doesn't just pick on Fujisawa given their volatility, it's likely that Takeshima could has too many harassment cases on her hands(on top of her regular burdens). Or are you implying that she's turning a blind eye to Fujisawa' suffering when she subtly stood up for Fujisawa when that classmate spilled a drink on her? Also Takeshima's authority only spreads to the classroom when she's there(which is probably rare considering her schedule), if she faced Fujisawa's more malevolent tormentors outside the school I doubt it would end well(assuming she even has the free time to do so).

Apparently the manga was better at invoking emotions than I thought if you two are going to get into this much of an argument and it only has two chapters.

niggapls

cruz just argues anything and everything

I'm not sure if I should continue if you insist that a person who's been broken down to be responsible for circumstances others put her through, so this might be my last response. In the end of the day she fed information to people close to her "victims". Motivation behind that isn't immoral if the action is not immoral, the only suitable comparison I see to these situations is whistle blowing which is only immoral if the information given is false or holds no grounds. I'm not saying to not feel bad for Class Prez, just that unlike I know she's a victim of circumstance, and that I'm throwing your hypocrisy towards a character you seem to empathize more with. Although unlike the main character, she had more authority and power to stop something terrible from happening. How much of physical and mental effort do you think it is for her to report a few names to faculty and administration? "Stress" or not, main character was the only one clearly going through harassment of any sorts (when she recruits help from one of the "onlookers", she says that all the wrath of the other students will go to her), knowing that dissociating with her would result in more harassment is immoral. Being selfish and disregarding others need that are very serious is unethical for her as a Class President.

@Tak
Invoking emotions? What is it with you people and thinking discussion = GURR ANGRY!, I just don't agree that the main character has done anything wrong, regardless of her motivations, anonymously feeding information of wrong doing isn't immoral.

[edit #1] Reread chapter 2 again. She didn't give a crap that they threw things at the protagonist, she only chewed them out for "messing around" instead of taking their cleaning duty seriously.