Who are you really?

We're all part of the collective. Time is a strange thing. We, as humans, perceive it in one direction, but who's to say it isn't a simultaneous affair- as in the case of Dr. Manhattan.

https://www.fakku.net/forums/serious-discussion/is-free-will-just-an-illusion

Nope, don't think humans have free will, all of our decision, actions and thoughts are caused by different variables and influences. Genes, environment, education, friends, parents and multitude of different things play a huge role as to who you are now in every sense.

Do i believe in destiny? Everything that happens to you, was going to happen regardless of randomness? Nope, we still can be conscious of our selves, we can self-reflect, we can change to better (or worse). But none of that comes from the free will to 'choose' anything, everything about us is the product of our brains.

for me I believe that what you say that life is like scripted is true. I had always that kind of feeling that whatever I do I always kinda get to the same thing in the future you might think it's a joke or something but I have dreamed of this happening in my dreams everytime I dream of something that seems like related to my life it just happens maybe 1 week a month or a year cross my heart and hope to die. when I was in Highschool I pretty much rebeled in many things. every family has their problem I believe and for me I find it that I can't take a blind eye and not do something that might make me insane and so I tried to rebel as much as a can. in the end I tried to be independent I run away then got a job got my own apartment but in the end I came back but and now studying again. it seems this my fate I had thought of like talking to my family and settle our problems properly by talking but i got the feeling that it will end in the same way I will go back studying and here I am seems like whatever I choose to do it will get the same result. for me i'm not sure why we always like to fight destiny and we always like to pave our way using and we tell our selves that we are the master of our own life for me I always keep an open mind yes it is good to pave your own way for good. but why fight fate when fate is giving you the best what do you call it? i'm pretty stupid what i'm saying it's giving you the happy ending you want. that's just my opinion with this topic.

I also agree with what you are saying. If you read my other posts on this thread I have specifically taken interests in different variables that affect your life. It feels like the baseline of everyone's life is created off of these variables, and after these variables it feels like only then can you change the outcomes of things with your own consciousnesses.

I'm the muthafucking Man, you piece of trash.

Chief stay on 17.

There isn't anything really to be gained by viewing that thread unless you want to see people (well mostly you) argue a definition without truly getting into the chemistry or neurology that supports most of the claims.

Metaphysics or Stochastics aren't even mentioned.

Without getting into maths and randomness, can conscious/consciousness be completely described/thought of in in physical terms/systems?

The product of a reproductive ritual between a male and female. My existence was not my choice, I just suddenly popped into the world and before I knew it was forced into the educational system where I pored over textbooks pointlessly. Over time I gained self-awareness and as my mortal body developed also gained human intelligence. My physical strength and mental capabilities increased with age as the law of nature dictates, and soon my biology requires me to reproduce to further my bloodline, so they too go through the same trials of life I did, such as questioning their own existence and the morality of some of the people on Earth.

I am the living embodiment of stardust. I'm unique, just like everyone else.

If I had an nickel for every pseudo intellectual ramble I heard on the internet about "how we're not unique because we're made of similar matter arranged in a similar way" , I'd be a billionaire.

I hope you didn't actually take me seriously.

I'm not, but that line of thought is so common. People who don't understand basic biology or chemistry spouting similar stuff kinda disheartens me.

Life is nature way of preserving meat.

Meat that someone will later eat?

Can I also add to this? I firmly agree with what your saying, and that was a scope of life I found at a surprisingly young age. I think that with most people taking that approach, they don't realize that means being responcible for their own actions. Which sadly means when that decision comes back to bite them in the arse, they don't want to accept it due to them not taking responiblity for their decisions, failing to see the possible consequences.

I'd like to add to the above, and mention that while I agree that we may be allowed to decide things from a young age, it's unfair to expect children who are uneducated to be able to make informed decisions while considering possible consequences. Being able to think about potential consequences is an ability that comes from either experience or being taught how to do so, and if neither of those conditions is met, pinning the responsibility on the child shouldn't be allowed, but rather, the responsibility should then fall to the parents who weren't responsible enough to teach their children the aforementioned skills.

However, in an educated adult's case, there really is no excuse, and so I agree that anything that comes back to haunt them is well deserved, as it is very easy to do research on the internet about pretty much anything in this day and age. If you don't take proper precautions for your actions, you're not a responsible adult. Child care is one of those actions, and needs the utmost careful consideration with everything you do in raising children, as the actions of the parents greatly affect how their children develop.

Only after the children become full-fledged adults, as in, are not minors of their country of residence, are they able to exert full legal and authoritative control of their actions to every extent, and are only then able to become completely independent (well, at least, not reliant on their parents or guardians). After that, you have the ability to do research and make your future brighter or dimmer on your own, and if you don't, that's your own fault. Note that this isn't a firm belief, this is simply where I stand on this issue currently, with how my life has been.

We're You're all fucking idiots

You are really good at summarizing other people's points in how they were not made.



I read your earlier posts and yeah i would agree with a lot of what you said, not with everything though. Yes, if people were born in a different place or to different parents or given different education they would be different person from who they are now. I think that you saying you can now as an adult change certain outcomes with your own consciousness is no different from how you changed things when you were a kid (meaning you really don't change things because of free will). Even though all the different variables had a much larger impact on you as a child than they do now, many of the things which effected you when you were young still resonates in you. And even now as a adult, there are variables that affect as to who you are and how you behave.

The ultimate conscious 'free' choice to either continue on your diet or to cheat it is a mystery. Yes, being consciously aware of the choice seems like free will, and we could even qualify it to our selves on different ways, but your conscious thoughts are automatic, you do not think about thinking about thinking about doing A instead of B. Every single word that you say to yourself in your mind comes from subconsciousness which you do not have any control over. Our conscious thoughts do not come to us by us thinking about them, they just come to us. We do not choose our conscious thoughts.

>neg rep (not sure it was you but w/e)
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Ohoho. I think you really don't like me. Well, I'd like to think that.

>conscious thoughts do not come to us by us thinking about them
Reflective awareness doesn't exist apparently? What is it about a neural network that is predictable for your to come with that conclusion? Does the subconscious have a monopoly over your ability to prioritize or self identify?(the answer is no)

Your unconscious mind cannot determine right from wrong, it for the most part is a collection of involuntary functions, emotions, and experiences conjured up by the ego. Basically taking perceived reality and feeding it to the subconscious. So when decision making comes, the ego/left part of your brain/conscious attempts to make a decision, it basically takes information from the the subconscious mind (basically what it rationalized before)to make new interpretations. The conscious part of our brain, the part we do have control over, is what makes decisions, not the subconscious. And if we didn't have control over our subconscious (through our conscious), deeply held fears and beliefs would never be able to change.

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