Fate/stay night - WHAT IF we really have a Holy Grail War?

That's actually similar to Bazett and Shouichirou....




No angels, divine beings and Gods are allowed. Servants are all based on Heroes, meaning they are all once human. Demi-gods and those turned god after death, like Hercules are acceptable but Divine Beings like angels and gods are not allowed.

Before any idiot says it, I'll deny it now.

Saviour class is not equivalent to God and Divine Beings. We have no idea what is the requirements to be Saviour but it is definitely not being a God or being divine. Buddha is NOT a god or divine being.

And in addition, this is by the Holy Grail War of Fuyuki/FSN's rules, so no class beyond Saber, Archer, Lancer, Rider, Assassin, Berserker and Caster. Don't be an ass and say I forgot Avenger. Avenger is a special class that only Angra Mainyu can be.

Okay so I would think of another one, I didn't know we aren't supposed to summon angels though, any other specified races? like demons or mythological beasts?

If he's half-demon then it's okay but no full demons. I'm not sure about mythological beasts though. Since Medusa was summoned and she's a Gorgon. Although, because she was half-mortal and only became a monster after Athena cursed her so it was probably a Nasu logic? Well, Kitsune Caster is an separated avatar of a God and a freaking mythological monster as well so it's most likely safe to say that as long as it's not a full mythological monster, it's okay. Ah, but Kitsune Caster is based on Fate/Extra and not FSN so its not a good example, is it?

In any case, I would say that it's possible for a mythological beast to be summoned but it must be part mortal or at least not fully beast and perhaps a separate being to the original reference and you'll have to be really creative with the backstory to logically portray it as possible.

So we could alter the background story to portray that our servant is not fully beast or immortal, so what about Gilgamesh? can I summon him perchance?

Gilgamesh is canon so yeah you can summon him. Anyway, Gilgamesh is 2/3 God and 1/3 Man in the stats so yeah. I'm not sure what was the original myth about him but as long as he was not fully divine, he was possible to summon.

And for an example of mythological beasts, I did make a servant like that.

https://www.fakku.net/viewtopic.php?p=2561982#2561982

Go check it out.

Umm Buddha is indeed a god in "Budhist" religion here or at least a divine being as their followers prayed for him.

Evidently, you have not been studying religion. In Buddhism, there is NO SUCH THING AS GOD. Buddha had mentioned that HE IS NOT GOD. He had gained enlightenment and thus pass his teachings to the masses. He did mention God exist but he admitted he was no divine being. Enlightenment does not equal to Divine Being.

Go do some research before refuting my claim.

I know what u mean here but what i am mentioning is "Chinese Buddhist or Japanese Buddha" here where the followers pray the Buddha as a god or divine being here even though "Buddha" itself mentioned that he is not God.

It doesn't matter if he was worshiped as God. In fact, one of the conditions of being a Hero is to be worshiped and to be relied upon. Even EMIYA was worshiped. He explained it in EXTRA.

The origin is more important than what other people treats them. Buddha may be worshiped as a God but he is still mortal and thus is possible to be summoned as a Servant. Even Jesus could be summoned because he was part mortal when he was born. He was only a True God after his Death and Resurrection. So technically speaking, it's possible to summon the Demigod Jesus but not the True God Jesus.

Get it?

Okay, so in this case, The mortal Buddha can be summoned however the buddha which is under human impression is god will never be able to be summoned. Am i correct here?

Incorrect. You almost got it right, though. He is a pure mortal so no matter what, he will be summoned as a mortal. Although, due to people treating him as a God, he will have a minor rank in Divinity.

Just think of Hercules. In the myth, he was turned God after death by Zeus, right? But as a God, he could not be summoned. However, he was a demigod at birth. So he would be summoned as Demigod Servant. His divinity would then be boosted as he is both a Demigod and later worshiped as a True God.

Birth and Origin is the determine factor. So basically all those beings that started out as Gods like Zeus, Athena, Odin, Thor, etc etc will not be available for summon however their Demigod offspring are summonable including those that were later raised to the status of Gods after death like Hercules.

Ohh okay. I kinda understand here. If the being is originally known totally as a god, they are not allowed to be summoned here like Loki. Hmm but don't this mean, Hel can be summoned? As she is half Jotun and god? And does Valkyrie can be summoned here?(As Freya is not allowed here because she is a goddess.)

Hmm.... well Hel should be possible to summon but I doubt there would be a relic to act as a catalyst to summon her. Not to mention since she's a "monster" it would actually contradict what a Hero is supposed to be. Since the Throne of Heroes function as a Guardian of Humankind, they fight against monsters that would seek to destroy human. I believe Throne of Heroes are part of the Counter Force so it would be illogical for Hel to belong there.

And valkyries are supposedly minor Gods so I doubt they can be summoned but perhaps if limitations are placed on them and maybe specific ones that have ties to the mortal realm. You'll have to justify it very specifically in your backstory.

Hmm monster huh... Lol if it is like this, my previous servant Da Ji would not be able to pass lol. As she is not a hero but more of a monster here.(But isn't since HGW 4, evil being can be summoned already?)

True, Servants with evil alignment can be summoned but that does not include monsters. Medea is evil but she's a witch. Medusa became a monster but she was originally a Demigod. Avenger is a special exception to the rule so he does not count though.

Actually, your Daji servant is good.
In a novel, she was portrayed as an evil fox spirit, but if I'm not mistaken she was a real person no matter how insane she (or her hobby) was. Ergo, she's good as a servant.

And just for the record,
No, you cannot summon Hel and the Valkyries.

Hel's parents were Loki and Angrboda. Loki is a god, while Angrboda is a jotunn.
Jotunn in Norse myth are not just ordinary giants. Their strength and abilities ranges from just like to like those of the gods. Also, the jotunn doesn't live in Midgard (Earth).

On the other hand, I'll just say Valkyries, in modern day language, are the equivalent of angels.

Also, I'm really glad this thread is still alive.

Ohh okay then.^^ Well i also quite happy that this thread is alive as i really like seeing others imagination going and creating char here lol.

I've been checking your Sinmara and yeah she was a good one, and IMO there's lot of examples we can get in Persona 3&4 or Devil Summoner, and yeah, except the angels, and gods (Thanatos, Sandalphon, etc.)

and I've been collecting info for my Gilgamesh now.

[size=15]"Although Atalanta is my main servant I will post 2 other sub-servant but for now I'm posting my main servant for the Holy Grail War."[/h]

Servant: Archer
Real Name: Atalanta, The Chase Huntress
Gender: Female
Holy Grail Wish: “For a world where every child can be raised with love.”

Strength: B
Endurance: B
Mana: C
Agility: A+
Luck: C

Skills

-[Crossing Arcadia:] N/A

She is able to move while jumping over all kinds of obstacles on the field, even if they are enemies.

-[Aesthetics of the last spurt:] N/A

She will anticipate all attacks from servants with class c or lower. She can also anticipate the enemy by letting them take the initiative and then chance countering their actions.

-[The Golden Apple:] N/A

She draws the enemy near to a trap by displaying a treasured items that each servant or master are interested in.

Noble Phantasm

-[The Celestial Bow]

The Celestial bow was a bow made especially for her by the god Artemis and Apollo. When using the Celestial Bow all her abilities are increase by one rank. While all skills becomes more effective and powerful. The Bow was made for her when she successfully wounds the Calydonian Boar during the Calydonian Boar Hunt.

-[The Disputed Spoils of War]

A boar's pelt (with head attached) attained as booty of the Calydonian Boar Hunt. By releasing prana, high-speed traveling long distances in a straight line become possible. While moving, characters in the travelled route enter in disorder and start killing each other. When the king of Calydon forgot the offerings to Artemis in a harvest festival, the angry goddess let this boar loose over the land. The hero of Calydon who loved Atalanta, Meleager, finished it off, but because Atalanta refused his wishes of handing over the achievement, the concerning fate of said achievement brought discord to the country.

-[The Complaint Message on the Arrow]

By sending a letter affixed to an arrow requesting divine protection with the "Celestial Bow" received from the guardian deity Artemis, a rain of arrows will downpour and perform an attack on all units. The letter on the arrow will randomly reach either Artemis or Apollo. If it reaches Artemis then all women will become targets, while if it reaches Apollo all men will be targeted. This Noble Phantasm is associated with the episode in which Artemis and Apollo shot to death all the children of the fertile woman Niobe, because she boasted that she was greater than their mother Leto because "Leto had fewer children".

-[The Beast of Divine Punishment]

The condition in which "The Disputed Spoils of War" is clad over the body comfortably from the head and power of the Calydonian Boar is made one's own possession. Offensive power, defensive power and movement capacity are raised and one's life-force can be recovered about just as much as the damage dealt to the enemy. The wild boar dispatched by Artemis divine punishment was both giant as a mountain and brutal and attempted to completely devour the crops of the city-state Calydon. The power attained through this Noble Phantasm is the Calydonian Boar itself, which was not stopped without making victims even after brave warriors from all over Greece were called.

-[The Seven Arrows of the Big Dipper]

Meteor arrows that rain incessantly from the "seven stars of the Ursa Major" in heavens. 7 consecutive attacks are possible. Only in the first strike the target can be designated arbitrarily, and thereafter the attacks converge at said target. Fundamentally, the target cannot be altered, but if said target dies in middle of the attack, the remaining number of strikes will be divided among different targets on that location at random. The Ursa Major is Callisto, one of the nymphs that serve Artemis who had her figure transformed as divine punishment for breaking the vow of chastity and later was raised to a constellation.

Umm... Atalanta is already a servant in Fate/Apocrypha.

Atalanta