The Direction FAKKU! is going...

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Holoofyoistu wrote...
the day you have to pay to have a profile, yes, i will complain, but until somthing bad like that happens, this place is amazing


And you're totally right, although is not like they weren't making money with all the adds, but fair enough, I would say that the tittle of this topic was more about getting attention rather that saying all the features on the page were a mess.

They did and excelent job by putting some sort of tag on their selling products, I said that i would like not having their selling products on the front page... which is not that good since we could miss some nice products, anyway... the way they did it is really nice actually, they don't put away the selling products but i am able to tell what i can read as it used to be and what not. Not sure how many people complain about that or if they are better that i thought but this is quality and i'll try to be a little more "assertive" next time... or something.

Thank you for your comment it does bring a lot of light to the matter.
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Holoofyoistu wrote...
the day you have to pay to have a profile, yes, i will complain, but until somthing bad like that happens, this place is amazing


To make a profile on here will stay free, but a paid membership for perks such as discounted merch, magazines, exlcusive content, a membership section, ad removal, and whatever else Jake comes up with is in the works. So people still get to use the forums the way they were suppose to be used, but if you want more you can have more or so to speak.
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The direction it's going? Moreover, how could FAKKU change and what's been happening behind this website. FAKKU is basically a manga distributer and any political issues regarding this site must stay covert.

It's partially problematic
It's compelling that someone could report 2256 of Title 18 for distribution of child pornography. It's a federal offense so the FBI could be at Jacob's door step anytime. I recommend that loli should be taken off sometime due to the objective risks. FAKKU is competent without loli hentai. I'm not going to tell you any loli-included website since I respect the community of FAKKU and I don't want to change opinions, I know one which is like an hentai heaven. I've been at heaven and Fakku many times, I'll have to say that heaven is actually more effeciant than Fakku. I like jealousy. Get. some. Mate.

Wani
I don't see any problems regarding Wani, if you want to view claimed hentai. I'll recommend checking the ddl links. If not, don't complain. It's not your privilege to fap and cum to copyrighted manga.

EDIT: I Want To Write Some More
Financial problems. Quite stable from the outside, they have a lot of books ready so it should mean they're doing ok.

Jacob, because Jacob is a Master Masturbation Manipulator Phd. He has shown extravagant knowledge in psychology. Why is this important? Because he know physics, and that means his a good physician meaning he has a big one. I'm sorry Jaycorb........
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KozWanderer wrote...
[...]FAKKU is competent without loli hentai. [...]

One of the things FAKKU really needs/needed is loli content. Or to an extent, MUCH MORE varied content. This lack of content is what makes/made other sites better than FAKKU.
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KozWanderer wrote...
It's partially problematic
It's compelling that someone could report 2256 of Title 18 for distribution of child pornography. It's a federal offense so the FBI could be at Jacob's door step anytime. I recommend that loli should be taken off sometime due to the objective risks. FAKKU is competent without loli hentai. I'm not going to tell you any loli-included website since I respect the community of FAKKU and I don't want to change opinions, I know one which is like an hentai heaven. I've been at heaven and Fakku many times, I'll have to say that heaven is actually more effeciant than Fakku. I like jealousy. Get. some. Mate.


Loli is not illegal in the united states where fakku is based; more of a grey zone with each state having it's own opinion and laws. Loli is also not CP or child pornography (the depiction of real children in erotic situations) which is illegal. Even though genre has younger women in it, all of the works with them are fictional and is protected by the first amendment. It can still be under scrutiny of the law (and the Miller Test can bypass the first adendment) if they wish to act, but if they do so then fakku is the least of their concerns. There are many websites and material out there far worse then what fakku serves. Any content that is to be possibly published will most likely be digital or will be under review before it is sold.
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Misaki_Chi wrote...
KozWanderer wrote...
It's partially problematic
It's compelling that someone could report 2256 of Title 18 for distribution of child pornography. It's a federal offense so the FBI could be at Jacob's door step anytime. I recommend that loli should be taken off sometime due to the objective risks. FAKKU is competent without loli hentai. I'm not going to tell you any loli-included website since I respect the community of FAKKU and I don't want to change opinions, I know one which is like an hentai heaven. I've been at heaven and Fakku many times, I'll have to say that heaven is actually more effeciant than Fakku. I like jealousy. Get. some. Mate.


Loli is not illegal in the united states where fakku is based; more of a grey zone with each state having it's own opinion and laws. Loli is also not CP or child pornography (the depiction of real children in erotic situations) which is illegal. Even though genre has younger women in it, all of the works with them are fictional and is protected by the first amendment. It can still be under scrutiny of the law (and the Miller Test can bypass the first adendment) if they wish to act, but if they do so then fakku is the least of their concerns. There are many websites and material out there far worse then what fakku serves. Any content that is to be possibly published will most likely be digital or will be under review before it is sold.


In reply to loli and laws excluding copyrights.
That actually sounds irrationally logical. But it seems everything can bullshit it's way out because people can be complete dumb fucks in USA, but that's a good thing.
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Flaser wrote...
Frankly, while I'm not entirely satisfied with how the Wani fiasco has turned out I think the fact FAKKU managed to get Wani to go along with its plans is awesome.

What astounds me though is the degree to which the whole hentai community on the net has been acting like a bunch of needy, petulant children over having their free chew toy taken away that they never had any inherent right to own in the first place.

The ideal outcome would've been for Wani to tolerate fan translations as long as the title in question wasn't licensed yet, but given that they were trying to pull the plug on >>EVERYTHING<<, I don't think FAKKU's actions can be taken as "selling out"...

Especially since instead just appropriating the work of fan translators (like Mangafox and its ilk does) and/or denying them the chance to do what they like (how most professional publishers operate, bombing everyone with C/D letters and taking their sweet damn time getting stuff done) FAKKU works >>WITH<< the fan translators, allowing them a chance to get their work published and go into the major league.

Somehow I don't see this mentioned et all, it's just Jewcob this, Jewcob that, FAKKU sold "us" out, etc. (Who is this us, people keep mentioning? The community? Readers? Translators? Hentai website hosters?)


There seems to be this dependence on hentai floating around.

Flaser wrote...
they never had any inherent right to own in the first place.

I think this is debatable, would this mean only a select set of people would have the right to read ero-manga?
And who decides which products that are allowed to be consumed by who?
I fail to see where there was an debate over which group we're allowed to consume nitched american products for example.
Seems one-sided in my opinion.
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Jnaz

here seems to be this dependence floating around

His talking about the ones that are being claimed.....yeah, the ones which are claimed.


I think this is debatable, would this mean only a select set of people would have the right to read ero-manga?
And who decides which products that are allowed to be consumed by who?
I fail to see where there was an debate over which group we're allowed to consume nitched american products for example.
Seems one-sided in my opinion.


It isn't anymore-but mostly should, doesn't matter, nothing that bad. Misaki_Chi Organizer & Tag Editor wrote that "Any content that is to be possibly published will most likely be digital or will be under review before it is sold." Meaning that content is reviewed.
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Misaki_Chi wrote...
Holoofyoistu wrote...
the day you have to pay to have a profile, yes, i will complain, but until somthing bad like that happens, this place is amazing


To make a profile on here will stay free, but a paid membership for perks such as discounted merch, magazines, exlcusive content, a membership section, ad removal, and whatever else Jake comes up with is in the works. So people still get to use the forums the way they were suppose to be used, but if you want more you can have more or so to speak.


the ad removal and the little extra tid bits are fine to charge a resonable fee for, i plan to subscribe myself, but i feel like the cost of the account is to cover the expense from the ad removal and discounts and such
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Flaser OCD Hentai Collector
Jnax wrote...
Flaser wrote...
Frankly, while I'm not entirely satisfied with how the Wani fiasco has turned out I think the fact FAKKU managed to get Wani to go along with its plans is awesome.

What astounds me though is the degree to which the whole hentai community on the net has been acting like a bunch of needy, petulant children over having their free chew toy taken away that they never had any inherent right to own in the first place.

The ideal outcome would've been for Wani to tolerate fan translations as long as the title in question wasn't licensed yet, but given that they were trying to pull the plug on >>EVERYTHING<<, I don't think FAKKU's actions can be taken as "selling out"...

Especially since instead just appropriating the work of fan translators (like Mangafox and its ilk does) and/or denying them the chance to do what they like (how most professional publishers operate, bombing everyone with C/D letters and taking their sweet damn time getting stuff done) FAKKU works >>WITH<< the fan translators, allowing them a chance to get their work published and go into the major league.

Somehow I don't see this mentioned et all, it's just Jewcob this, Jewcob that, FAKKU sold "us" out, etc. (Who is this us, people keep mentioning? The community? Readers? Translators? Hentai website hosters?)


There seems to be this dependence on hentai floating around.

Flaser wrote...
they never had any inherent right to own in the first place.

I think this is debatable, would this mean only a select set of people would have the right to read ero-manga?
And who decides which products that are allowed to be consumed by who?
I fail to see where there was an debate over which group we're allowed to consume nitched american products for example.
Seems one-sided in my opinion.


There is no such thing as "right to read". Hentai magazines and tankoubons are commercial products and the copy-right laws are very clear: Unless you buy the product you don't have any rights to access it.

Fan-translations are in a grey area. Can you make them? Sure. Can you distribute them? Not legally... Do publishers give a damn? For a long while they didn't since fan-translations targeted a market the publishers deemed insignificant or inviable (as in the profit "lost" to these translations wouldn't have covered the operating costs).

Frankly WANI shut down sadpanda and went on a warpath because Asian scanners switched to high gear and instead the usual 1-3 month wait between being released in print and scanned they started to pirate content ASAP. Since sadpanda was heavily used by Japanese fans, WANI (rightly) felt that they were cutting into their profit.
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Flaser wrote...
Frankly WANI shut down sadpanda and went on a warpath because Asian scanners switched to high gear and instead the usual 1-3 month wait between being released in print and scanned they started to pirate content ASAP. Since sadpanda was heavily used by Japanese fans, WANI (rightly) felt that they were cutting into their profit.

That's not entirely correct, heh.
But yeah, the whole comic-han issue (mainly not only leaking early content but watermarking it) was the beggining of many tears.
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This is more of a general complaint, but goes for this and the other 'what is a Fakku?" thread: way too many people are eager to pass judgement without having a clear complete picture of how a site operates let alone the entire situation outside of it.

Flaser wrote...

There is no such thing as "right to read". Hentai magazines and tankoubons are commercial products and the copy-right laws are very clear: Unless you buy the product you don't have any rights to access it.

Fan-translations are in a grey area. Can you make them? Sure. Can you distribute them? Not legally... Do publishers give a damn? For a long while they didn't since fan-translations targeted a market the publishers deemed insignificant or inviable (as in the profit "lost" to these translations wouldn't have covered the operating costs).

Frankly WANI shut down sadpanda and went on a warpath because Asian scanners switched to high gear and instead the usual 1-3 month wait between being released in print and scanned they started to pirate content ASAP. Since sadpanda was heavily used by Japanese fans, WANI (rightly) felt that they were cutting into their profit.


That's partly it. What actually happened was that chinese scanlators indeed switched to high gear (scans were running thinner) but still had their own secluded site, with raws releasing few days after street date. The raws would become available to the public 1-to-3 months later, but if you were a western scanlator and just couldn't wait, they'd trust you with the scans granted that you only released the english version of it.
On the side, chinese had their own doujinshi scanlation groups, each working on their own and not sharing raws with one another. Most groups just take the raw, convert to chinese and destroy the raw without ever sharing.

The problem was, the public place where they uploaded the raws, which is also the place where most whiners against Fakku gather, is a place full of entitled pricks. One of them, as soon as he saw me posting in the chinese site followed me, saw what raws I downloaded and immediately leaked them trying to frame me and get me banned, but it did not work.

Eventually, in hope of getting more support for server costs, they opened up to more users, and that was what costed them, because some jackass tried to be the robin hood of the situation, leaked several magazines at the same time and pissed the chinese, who then started to watermark their scans (the clean ones were still available but you had to do cartwheels to get them). Eventually Wani got to everybody and told them to cut it out.

Right now the chinese still do their own thing, they joined forces with another major group and found an effective way to delay the release of magazines, all while trying to monetize the system all the way (scans are getting delayed by a whole lot, public scans take a sweet ass time to spread). On the other hand, raw tanks publicly get pirated like nothing happened.
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Flaser OCD Hentai Collector
Tenzou wrote...
This is more of a general complaint, but goes for this and the other 'what is a Fakku?" thread: way too many people are eager to pass judgement without having a clear complete picture of how a site operates let alone the entire situation outside of it.

Flaser wrote...

There is no such thing as "right to read". Hentai magazines and tankoubons are commercial products and the copy-right laws are very clear: Unless you buy the product you don't have any rights to access it.

Fan-translations are in a grey area. Can you make them? Sure. Can you distribute them? Not legally... Do publishers give a damn? For a long while they didn't since fan-translations targeted a market the publishers deemed insignificant or inviable (as in the profit "lost" to these translations wouldn't have covered the operating costs).

Frankly WANI shut down sadpanda and went on a warpath because Asian scanners switched to high gear and instead the usual 1-3 month wait between being released in print and scanned they started to pirate content ASAP. Since sadpanda was heavily used by Japanese fans, WANI (rightly) felt that they were cutting into their profit.


That's partly it. What actually happened was that chinese scanlators indeed switched to high gear (scans were running thinner) but still had their own secluded site, with raws releasing few days after street date. The raws would become available to the public 1-to-3 months later, but if you were a western scanlator and just couldn't wait, they'd trust you with the scans granted that you only released the english version of it.
On the side, chinese had their own doujinshi scanlation groups, each working on their own and not sharing raws with one another. Most groups just take the raw, convert to chinese and destroy the raw without ever sharing.

The problem was, the public place where they uploaded the raws, which is also the place where most whiners against Fakku gather, is a place full of entitled pricks. One of them, as soon as he saw me posting in the chinese site followed me, saw what raws I downloaded and immediately leaked them trying to frame me and get me banned, but it did not work.

Eventually, in hope of getting more support for server costs, they opened up to more users, and that was what costed them, because some jackass tried to be the robin hood of the situation, leaked several magazines at the same time and pissed the chinese, who then started to watermark their scans (the clean ones were still available but you had to do cartwheels to get them). Eventually Wani got to everybody and told them to cut it out.

Right now the chinese still do their own thing, they joined forces with another major group and found an effective way to delay the release of magazines, all while trying to monetize the system all the way (scans are getting delayed by a whole lot, public scans take a sweet ass time to spread). On the other hand, raw tanks publicly get pirated like nothing happened.


Thanks for clearing things up!

Forum Image: http://i.imgur.com/IW8simF.gif

Frankly the /h/ community in general only knows:
a) Wani did it
b) People still claim it was "Jewcob"
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ChronoMagno wrote...
when it was for FREE before.


it was STOLEN before.

Nothing in life is free. It takes a tremendous amount of time and skill to get to the point that you can draw like these artists do. And after all the years and hard work to get to that level of still it takes time and effort to make these massive doujins and mangas.

You are STARVING them to death and putting them out of business every time you steal their work.

So if you actually like this stuff, then stop stealing it, give the damn artists some respect, and help them keep drawing or say goodbye to hentai.
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I sure hope all the missing content from the loli and incest tags have nothing to do with this "premium" account nonsense.
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It's just a few paid books, it's also a good way to support this site. But after the removed tags I'm thinking of going to other sites (long time lurker).
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Flaser OCD Hentai Collector
Servexia wrote...
ChronoMagno wrote...
when it was for FREE before.


it was STOLEN before.

Nothing in life is free. It takes a tremendous amount of time and skill to get to the point that you can draw like these artists do. And after all the years and hard work to get to that level of still it takes time and effort to make these massive doujins and mangas.

You are STARVING them to death and putting them out of business every time you steal their work.

So if you actually like this stuff, then stop stealing it, give the damn artists some respect, and help them keep drawing or say goodbye to hentai.


Urm... actually that argument doesn't stand either.

Did western fans pirating and scanlating H-magazines affect the creators to a degree where their livelihood was undermined? No. Until recently the western market has been really marginal sales-wise. As it was written above by Tenzou, things got serious when the international scanlation community's actions started to affect the Japanese market.

That said, do people have the legal right to pirate stuff because they can't (or won't) afford it? No, they don't. While I believe in the necessity of providing as wide (and free) access to culture on-line as possible, I don't believe this gives a Carte Blanche license to distribute somebody else's work. (The devil, as usual, is in the details. When should something become part of the public domain and under what restrictions?)

As for actual exploitation, publishers have squeezed authors a lot more than piracy ever did. Traditionally the main problem for authors was always the gate-keepers fleecing you and censoring you instead people "pirating" your work.

What I really like about digital distribution is that it's a big equalizer, really lowering distribution costs and allowing authors to reach a wider audience with competitive (AKA *low*) prices.

What I hate is how entitled and whiny some of the H-community is, not realizing that they were enjoying the work (and money!) of other people, staring with the authors themselves through the efforts of the scanlation community.
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FAKKU is going to continue......what more do you need to discuss.
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KozWanderer wrote...
FAKKU is going to continue......what more do you need to discuss.


There's continue and continue. Have you been around long enough to remember the pre and the post-crunchy fansubbing world? Well, put that in the perspective of a considerably smaller business with a lot less active and capable scanlators. Maybe someone will limp through, but the outcome will eventually be the death of scanlations. So far, what you got was free and it came from the effort of people whom (mostly, some did it for cash) were willing to waste their free time to share such works with you. I can't see many people retaining that drive in such an ecosystem.
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Flaser wrote...
What I hate is how entitled and whiny some of the H-community is, not realizing that they were enjoying the work (and money!) of other people, staring with the authors themselves through the efforts of the scanlation community.

Personally, what I find worse are the people who forget/deny what or who they were in the beggining.
You make it seem as if all of this was founded on nothing.
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