Filtering OUT a tag to avoid it

Sorry, this has come up many times. I believe their official position is that they never want to turn users away from content. People's tastes change all the time and even if you think never means never, sometimes it doesn't truly mean "never". The negative consequence of tag filtering is that it creates a feedback loop. If a large group of people refuses to even consider reading a manga with a certain tag, then people will draw less of it. Why even bother if so many people won't even entertain the thought? It's unfair to the creator if their works become completely invisible this way.

On the other side of things, if a reader never, ever exposes themselves to what they perceive as unpleasant, then they'll also rule out any possibility of ever coming to appreciate it. Sure, maybe it doesn't happen super often, but it really does happen. And when it does, it can open a whole new world for that person.

I think people perceive this as being user unfriendly, but they really need to understand that there are in fact negative consequences to consider.

Since you mentioned, "rape" falls under the "forced" tag.

Can confirm. There's ones I've read of ntr that I've enjoyed, and read the whole thing of. Also various ones with tags I'd never consider, but still read, and enjoyed. Some left me feeling real empty, but still enjoyed somehow

I been saying this for years. Read the tags before clicking.

Like [piracy site] you can put "-" before the tag while you're searching to exclude it or a space to include it, i.e "vanilla glasses" or "vanilla -glasses". But you can however not change the front page.

So, today I opened my usual bookmark of https://www.fakku.net/hentai/newest to see if the latest releases might have something interesting, only to find that 7 of the top 10 are Yaoi books.

I can tell you with no uncertainty and backed by science that my preferences in this regard will never change to find them interesting.

I have the utmost respect for people who do find yaoi in their taste, and I in no way want to agitate for Fakku to publish less of it. But I personally don't want to see it, and if the premise from now on is that I have to look at preview images for yaoi (potentially quite explicit) when browsing more than my list of notified new works with a preferred tag, the end result will be that I'm less likely to browse outside my known preferences (in fact, I'd probably just unsub).

So please, reconsider the arguments and let us choose tag(s) to filter entirely.

Yaoi is a pretty niche tag as-is, and is very far and few between. Other things have been getting uploaded to go along with it. I'm not particularly fond of Yaoi myself, but I don't wish to block the tag entirely. I'm sure you can survive a single dump of it.

My point was it's not that big of a deal.
So there was a big dump of yaoi, so what? Most of the content the site gets is vanilla.

Very few websites use tag exclusion and I don't see why a business that deals in hentai has to either. The OP used [piracy site] as a thinly-veiled example of tag filtering, and while it's true it does have tag filtering, setting up a tag is a pretty complicated affair and there's no list of tags to choose from. [piracy site] also isn't a business so they're not paying anyone to have their work hosted on the site; uploads are made by the community, which funnily enough is what Fakku used to do before it went legit. We didn't have tag exclusion then either. The other thing [piracy site] has is related to categories like Game CGs or Cosplay, which Fakku doesn't have; only the occasional poster.

I might also remind you this website has a search function, as well as a page dedicated to tags. You can also follow a certain tag to be notified when something in that tag gets uploaded. The uploads on the main page also clearly displays tags, so you can choose to just, you know, ignore it.

Maybe not to you, but don't assume it's not a big deal to others.
It's also not a ratio thing. Like I said, I don't want Fakku to carry less of it, and I don't care if they carry more of it. All I want is an option to filter it out when I browse what's new (or tags not gender specific).
Was this just a one-time dump? Maybe, maybe not. We can't really know unless Fakku says so, and I can make an informed decision based on the expected frequency/ratio of that content.


I'm not OP and [piracy site] isn't a site I frequent. But among my few other sources of hentai, tag exclusion is common.
Also, from a technical standpoint I could argue that it doesn't seem like a big deal to set up. Now, if Fakku staff showed up in the thread and told us that with their choice of website design it'd be prohibitively expensive to implement, I'd accept that argument (though it doesn't change that I'd probably unsub if yaoi books with possibly explicit previews became a regular occurrence).


I am in fact following certain tags, and I have used the search function before. However:
1) Some tags are not gender specific, I could still get yaoi books browsing e.g. "Oral", with no way to avoid it. Same for followed tags.
2) I actually like to browse the latest addition to see if there was an interesting release that wasn't picked up by tags I follow. I'd think it was in Fakku's interest to encourage this sort of browsing, but I'll actually be discouraged from doing that if I can't filter out content that I have no interest in, will never have an interest in (unless you believe in conversion therapy), and that actually squicks me.

People keep saying this but I am curious, why is it a big deal, exactly?

The potential problem with allowing tag exclusions in general is shutting yourself off to content and never coming out of your comfort zone, in terms of content. You say yaoi will never be your thing and I respect that, but you can't allow a specific exclusion for yaoi without allowing an exclusion for the rest of the tags on the site. And they've already stated they don't want to do that, as Chris mentions here. The fact that Fakku is a business that has licenses to the content they host may account for the decision to not have tag filtering.


Can you name the sites that does this?


You can tag search "blowjob -yaoi"; it'll search for works tagged with blowjobs, and omit any works tagged with yaoi in it.
Though yeah notifications does ignore other tags and at times they just up and fucking break for no reason, so it's not a perfect solution.


Not all content on the front page will be to everyone's liking. Uploaded content is never going to please everyone.

Why is it a big deal if people are given an option to filter out things they aren't into? It's not just yaoi either, there's still people who don't like yuri, shota, loli, rape, gangbangs, vanilla, netorare, oppai, pettanko, monster girls, any tag really. They were never talking about blocking the tag as a whole for the entire site, and were talking about giving users the ability to filter it out if they choose to do so. There are a few bigger hentai sites that do this, namely [piracy site] and [piracy site] and most if not all of the -booru sites that let you make an account like gelbooru, danbooru, rule34, sankaku complex etc. I know from personally using those sites that you can go into your profile settings and create a tag blacklist that either heavily blurs out, blocks out or completely hides any work or image with the tag in it for the user alone. It'd be one thing if this site had way more content posted daily like those others do where anything with a tag you don't care for can be off the front page after a few minutes and a refresh, but since it's just one company translating and posting things it's obviously going to be way slower than thousands and thousands of people uploading works regardless of if they're translated or not. On average there seems to be about 3-ish works uploaded per day on Fakku, one in the morning, one in the afternoon and one in the evening. There's currently 52 things on the front page right now, so a "one time dump" like this still takes a long time to get off the front page. A client side option in your account that would allow you to blacklist tags that you don't care for would be much appreciated, and the best way would be to have options for the thumbnail of the work to be completely blocked out (not blurred) with the tags still listed so you can tell what content has been filtered, or by way of just hiding the content altogether for your account. This shouldn't be anything "expensive" at all to implement into the site considering it's almost purely cosmetic, affecting only thumbnails and not the entire styling and functions of the site. That way, if you ever do decide to go out of your comfort zone for a different tag it's entirely your choice. Of course no one is going to like every single thing posted on the site, but the main purpose of this site is to host porn so when people are doing the deed and searching tags they otherwise like they can often be forced to see thumbnails with explicit content in them that personally turns them off. A subscription based service where content is locked behind a paywall should definitely allow more client side control for what content should be visible on their end, instead of the service effectively forcing everyone to see ALL content just to try and recuperate the costs of licensing it by giving it more visibility like you're implying.

Filtering it out, blocking the tag whole, both sound to me like the same thing.
Unless you're under the impression I meant blocking the tag completely for everyone, in which case I never insinuated that.


Alright, but how many of these sites have licensed content?

Again, I feel this is to give artists the exposure for their work. They're paying them for it, after all.


The front page is very long, and it sounds like you're reading content fairly regularly. So there's probably a lot of content you've either already read or ignored, and won't need to scroll down further because you're just feeding the same information to yourself. So why would you need it off the front page, in that case?

All of the yaoi is grouped together, and there's like 8 of them. If you scroll past that, there is other content.

Blocking the tag "as a whole" would mean the entire site wouldn't see it. "Exposure" seems to be reasonable to argue at first, but the exposure here for Japanese artists is much smaller than it is in Japan itself. They get plenty more exposure from their works being in anthologies on shelves across the nation, the several comic events hosted there throughout the year, and their twitter and pixiv pages promoting themselves than on one singular website which has, at best, maybe half of their products on it. The "exposure" argument also doesn't hold any water when Fakku is currently hiding "controversial content" (loli and shota) unless you change it in your settings to view it, that's an example of client side tag exclusion already in place. If you don't like loli or shota just scroll past it, right? Sometimes people's preferences do change but it should be when they're comfortable with "testing the waters", not because of forced exposure. The front page is a long feed of information, but like I said when these dumps of a less popular tag do happen they stay around for a while because of the inherently slow content flow. With the "popular" works (most being older) now being boosted to the front page every now and then it can sometimes shift things out of view and I, like most people, am not always perfectly perceptive so I decide to scroll down to see if there's anything I missed that was uploaded for the day because it was shifted out of position. Sometimes scrolling down the past 40-50 posts is easier than trying to remember the exact name of the artist or work in the search box, especially if they're newer artists or have names easy to misspell so suggestions don't work. This site has just seemed to slowly remove more and more upfront information and functionality since the subscription service started. Works no longer display the anthology they're in or the comic event they were made for on the list view, tags no longer have descriptions and sources for their thumbnails, advanced search is still broken and has never listed results in proper chronological upload date as far as I can remember. These are all things that make it harder to get "exposed" to new artists and other tags/fetishes because of how limiting it is, but I don't see people complaining about it with the same insistence that "you can deal with seeing some guys/girls banging each other dude". It boggles my mind why some people are arguing that individuals shouldn't be allowed a personalized feed of media on this site, but I guarantee they all follow and block content on other media platforms to fit their tastes on sites like youtube, twitter, facebook etc.

That's a legal requirement than a content preference. If you live.... really anywhere where English is the official language outside the US you go to jail for just viewing it.

This has been discussed since we're a pirate site and jacob would upload .... Really anything that wasn't vanilla with pages and pages of comments of hate, flame and salty tears they clicked on something they didn't like or just existed.

That's kinda why we had the exclusion tags put in. Search is borked right now but it worked flawlessly before. hentai -yaoi or whatever triggers people. I never had to use it since the tags are clearly on the page and the find macro makes the words pink.

There's actually a legal reason for this that you're overlooking; a lot of countries view loli and shota as child pornography. That's why the Controversial Tag filter is in place and is turned on by default. Other tags also fall under this, such as forced which primarily means rape, and incest. You turn it off at your own risk, and it even provides a disclaimer that you have to agree to.



These are all issues with the site in general, and you make good points about it. I won't deny that the website isn't perfect, and I actually do miss the tag descriptions. People still don't fully know the difference between netorare, netorase, and netori despite the thumbnails.

Unfortunately the website has never been what you would call "fully functional" at all times. There's always something broken or doesn't go long without breaking, usually concerning notifications or tag searches. In fact prior to going legit the website would go down quite a bit, and whenever there was an issue people would blame Jacob for having sexual relations with the servers again. Was a bit of a running joke. The site runs more reliably these days, but some issues persist.


You're making this case about the yaoidump we got a couple of days back. I dunno, there's something about that that's kind of hilarious.
You mean you don't just scroll past what doesn't interest you when you use social media, you actively block everything?

What is it makes me happy with stale tears for 500$ alex

I don't block "everything", just the things I'm not interested in. The argument can also be made that it's detrimental NOT to have a system like it in place in the case of users who are more sensitive to things containing rape or gangbangs, maybe because something happened to them personally. Would you tell them it's fine because they can just scroll past it, even if they see the character getting raped in the thumbnail and it brings up bad memories? Eyes wander, it's just what they do. Am I just supposed to magically know that if I scroll down the page a certain distance I'll end up seeing something I don't like? Pictures immediately convey more information faster than having to read out the tags first. I know I'm "making this case for porn" like you said (which was now changed to "yaoidump"), but I'm only arguing that individuals should be allowed to choose what they see on their account alone on a site that hosts media, especially one that requires a subscription. That's something that would affect only a single user's experience if they choose to use it, whereas not having something like tag filtering in place affects ALL users' experiences across the site. Something like a subscriptions page on YouTube could also provide something like this, where you can set what tags, artists, anthologies etc you want to see in your feed, but that'd be much more of a pain to implement than a simple client side visual change.