Arizona

So i'm driving to AZ with my very mexican friend to help his brother inlaw move out here to CA. i wonder if my whiteness will help cancel out the BS shake down law AZ just passed.

i'll probably be back on monday, unless they think i'm an illeagal irish immigrant, and try to deport me to there.

what do you fakkers think of the law they passed that says cops have a duty to stop and check anyone that is "reasonably suspiscious" of being an illeagal(aka anyone who looks mexican)?

I can sort of see the point. If they see someone nervously darting their eyes back and forth, who knows if that person's hiding a stash in the trunk or a bomb in the back. Then again, I know a lot of officers will probably take this as an excuse to be racist.

So it's a "no one really wins" thing.

:lol: Just keep your eyes on the road and tell your friends to close their eyes cause if this doesnt work...shit thats pretty much more fucked up than it already is.

Oh great

First, in the airport and now, on the streets. Come on now! I can understand the airport but this now; random checks on the highway, street way, or etc. Seriously, the USA is becoming a little bit too protected from this situations that have occur, but that in my book. It's good to be cautious but I got a feeling that this might get out of hand.

They try to pretend it's about terrorism, but it's really about fucking with mexicans. growing up in CA, alot of my friends are of "latino" or "hispanic" descent*. my brother even went with a dude to smuggle some other dude(he didn't realize until they were almost done). one dude i grew up with was born in the back of a u-haul truck while it was crossing the border. like carlos mencia said, no terrorists will ever make it in through that border because the people crossing there will turn them in to la migra. if any did, the govt might get serious about that border, and then who would do the work that us fat lazy white people think we're to good for?



[size=10]*i still don't know the differance, but i know they get pissed if you call them the wrong one[/h]

With all the seriousness i can implant in this comment i say that this new law SUCKS BALLS

Well dont pull over for an extended amount of time. You don't want some cop to be racist on your friend.

I'm going to need to see your papers.

S.B. 1070 has been twisted so much I find it almost laughable. The Arizona simply enforces or mirrors the Federal law.

The law says:



This section means that if you are arrested in Arizona. They (the police) will have to verify your identity by contacting federal agents.



Kris Kobach, a University of Missouri at Kansas City law professor who helped draft the bill, said in an interview with National Public Radio "the law doesn't force officers to go out looking for illegal immigrants, only to call immigration officials to determine the status when the officer develops a reasonable suspicion".

In simple terms. If you are involved with a law enforcement matter in Arizona the police can question you about your legal status.



Simple terms. Show valid documents and you are let off the hook regardless of suspicion.



I don't need to explain this.



Self explanatory. It's illegal to work in Arizona (actually the whole country) and not be of legal residence or visa.

tl;dr

Shags, your fine and your buddy doesn't have to worry.

Edit: It it also Federal Law that all people who have immigrated into the country must have their documents with them at all times. That was in place long before Obama even ran a campaign for president.

Thank you FPOD.

All I've heard of anything regarding this has been a bunch of complaining regarding is being "Unconstitutional" or something to that effect. Appreciate you clearing it up. Now I can just tell them this, and have them gtfo.

Its Damn plain stupid. How did it even get passed?
(Slept through US Gov't by the way)

I'm 50/50 with this law. I don't like the way that it's going to be enforced, but I guess I can somewhat understand why this law was passed. This is where it starts getting sticky for me:



For law officials to deem enough "reasonable suspicion exists", aren't we just going back to playing race games? I feel like we're taking one step forward in illegal immigration law, but two steps back in terms of civil rights. It's an iffy law, I'm 50/50.

The state of Arizona (and the other boarder states) are fed up with having their pleas being ignored by the federal government. So the legislature in the state of Arizona drafted and passed a bill that simply gives the local law enforcement the ability to enforce federal law (the immigration laws that already exist on the federal level). The citizens in the boarder states have used up their patience and decided to do something about their problems.

Imagine for a moment, when you look out your window at your yard during the night you see drug smugglers waltzing their way through your yard armed to the teeth with heavy weaponry escorted by a military humvee.

Imagine that every day you hear about people being kidnapped in the local area and then hearing that they were either held for ransom or found naked in a ditch a few days later.

Would you feel safe? Didn't think so.

Now imagine that you have been pleading with your Representative in congress for decades to protect you and your family but, ultimately ignored due to political games. You'd feel pretty pissed right?



I'm not too fond of letting police use their "gut" to determine if suspicion exists but, trying to pin down such a thing with legal definition makes the mess complicated.

Kris Kobach, a University of Missouri at Kansas City law professor (the man who helped draft the bill) states in a op-ed in the New York Times



The result would be "Sir, can you show me proof of your legal residence".

I'm just waiting until someone ITT uses either "nazi", "hitler", or "fascism."

Surprised it didn't happen yet.

The talk radio in Chicago was on fire with claims that America is turning into a Fascist police state. Even claims...well heavy implying that immigrants will be sent to concentration camps...Y'know to help them learn English to take the proper test.

The horrendous irony being that for all intents and purposes, Cook County is a fascist police state!

Damn, you got my hopes up about making a joke about Joe Arpaio. Damn it!

Thank you FPOD. I'm sad that Americans believe that making illegal immigration illegal, is wrong.

I was talking to a local in tucson and i learned what got the law made in the first place. it seems the problem is not illeagal immigrants, the ones who come to work and/or eventualy become a citizen, it's thug's who only come into the country to commit crimes, then immeadiately return to mexico. the catalyst event(so i was told) was when a rancher who lived very near the border was murdered. the police found the killers foot prints that came from accross the border, to the murder scene, and right back accross the border. aparently these kinds of things have been happening more often lately.

something else i learned was that AZ is an open carry state. that means you are allowed to carry your gun as long as it's not consealed. everywhere i went i saw at least two people with guns on there belts.

it's a rugged land out there. in between the major cities it's completely desolate. just rocks, cactus, scorpions, and snakes. the heat was diabolical. pouring sweat while standing in the shade.

we got pulled over in phoenix for a problem with the lights on the trailer, and the cop didn't seem to care that my friend was mexican. despite his super thick accent, he never even asked for his licence.

it was an interesting trip.