H-Manga is dead

"but also aiming at removing all of their magazine scans, including works by the artist that is working under the company."

Ex hentai also got "flagged" by them.


Back to IRC I guess.. lol

That's not fucking fair ...

Except the bit where exhentai requires a g.e-hentai account, if this was ever implemented, all you'd be doing is passing the trouble to E-H and marking them as THE target to bring down. Bring down E-H in this scenario and everything else will collapse around it.

Don't jump to conclusions, there's already a discussion going on in the Uploaders section of the forums.



Worse case scenario ; I give zero fucks to all legal matters and migrate my blog to a European nation and block all Japanese IP's from connecting to the blog.

Encyclopedia Dramatica hosts their website on a server in a country where they give no fucks about Copyright. It's how the site's still active. Even if the domain gets shut down or it expires, they just change services and lo and behold, the site's back up fully intact. They back everything up somehow.

Would it be viable - or even possible - to follow suit for h-manga uploads?

For a blog, its pretty easy.

Once you get into DDL's and online readers, that's when it starts getting tricky. Even if I migrated and was hosted offshore, my blog would be much harder to C&D. But if E-H and Fakku! are being hit with takedown letters, where am I going to host my stuff other than DDL's (which are vulnerable) and torrenting?

Question (# 1): Doesn't copyright only hold up in the country it was established, unless, copyright was extended to other countries (for future sales or what-not)? Hence why sites like piratebay, mega, wikileaks, ex-hentai, ect can't be taken down through legal actions, despite the attempts (them being hosted in countries who don't care for foreign copyright)?

Question (# 2): What is their goal with this? I can imagine a few things but...

-I assume one of their goals is to stop piracy, both within and outside the country, of there published material.
-but.. translation groups don't target people in Japan
-and the mediums hentai companies use for distribution normally ban foreign ip's (which always struck me as, "we don't want to sell to foreigners", I can assume a couple of the legal reasons, with hentai, but they can pick and choose the ip's but seem to just bar everyone. US licenses hentai content, so banning US ip's never made sense to me.)

-Avoid any legal action against themselves for the distribution of their work to places that outlaw such content.
-but... If they had just fell back on the "inability to prevent internet piracy", they should have been able to avoid persecution. (Unless another country can police Japanese companies into what they can and cannot sell, in regards to non-detrimental material.)


These are the only reason I can fathom for this move. I always figured the hentai distributors, more so than anime/manga, was in it for the love of the medium and not the money, and would welcome a wider audience of viewers. Attacking foreign piracy distributors won't increase their sales, if this is some sort of attempt for more revenue.... Especially translation organizations whose traffic are people with no means to acquire the content, and in the likely hood they can, wouldn't be able to fully enjoy it as is.

Question (final): I don't know on what grounds they are fighting this, but in the likely hood the hentai manga companies win this fight, what are the possible outcomes? I read a CR version for H-manga, but I find that highly unlikely, and even if, it was made, it wouldn't be open to foreign ips... let alone translated.

It's a shame... other than a few select artist, H-manga is where I consistently came for story. Maybe more foreign artist will try and fill in the gap these companies are trying to make. (Remembering the manga industries' attack on online manga reader... wonder if that "helped their sales"...) (I gotta learn IRC...)

Ah. fuck.
Time to move ex hentai to sweedan, and tell the guys to go fuck themselves?
Or back to irc

Publishing companies already tried this with non-H manga. And they failed.

Just wait for 1-2 months 'till the heat go down. And go IRC or twitter.

The asshole and fansubber in me just wants to groan and tell everyone how stupid they are for shutting down due to someone getting upset. I don't think I have ever dropped a project due to threats and I do anime, you know the companies that actually have SOME pull and release outside of Japan.

The other part of me gives the following the advice. Keep in mind nothing is most likely going to happen because if companies had that kind of time, money, and influence we would all be fucked already 10x over. However if you just want to be safe here is some advice. However I do think its going a bit overboard for H-manga but better safe than sorry.

1. Host all your servers overseas.
This includes websites, ftps, anything else you feel like using to distribute. Europe is a good country. OVH is a good company to use and is generally good. PRQ for the extra paranoid. There are probably others too but are either too expensive or I don't know anyone who has used them so I can't really comment.

2. Don't reveal your sources ever
You know that guy who uploads everything for everyone and actually lives in Japan? Make sure no one knows who he is.

3. Use the server for any and all uploading.
Since scan groups seem to have some hate for torrents I would suggest that any and all uploading you to do a website is done using a server or a vpn that does not store any logs. In the off chance something does happen and they request from the site admin for IPs and the admin actually gives it up, they won't get shit from them that is useful.

4. Don't credit yourself or host a website at all
See number 3. Your goal is to release things to the public not internet fame.

5. Use irc for discussing anything with staff. Remember to use SSL.
Make sure you have your hostmask not visible as well. Rizon is a good place for this. Don't keep logs. Password and invite only all your staff channels.

6. Stop being retarded
Seriously. I hate having this conversation. I have it way more often than I should.


Questions or concerns? I probably missed something but this should get you started.

See, this is how the scene should be reacting. I'm pretty well known for being a total dunce and hyperactive, yet I'm about to finalize our transfer to Europe.

People need to button down and think rationally, don't just run around in a panic because you got an official looking email. Move your shit overseas, keep your ears up.

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Word.
Aside from the fact europe isn't actually a country... As somebody said earlier, follow in piratebays footsteps, and use sweeden (I think it's sweeden) for your servers.
as I said, go low key.
Why do I get the feeling this is like the whole 'isp sending you an email for torrenting' Seems like, if you're smart, you won't get caught. And if it is anything remotely like the isp thing, then you'd have to be doing something horribly stupid to get an email.

The internet is a playground. Use your head, and you won't fall off that big fuckoff slide, splitting your head open, because of some fat kid being a douche. Ed, you have yet to get any email. Have a meeting with your staff, work on staying low key/ moving your servers, etc. and then get back to work, watching out for the evil hand of some fat fuck on a slide.
If you need funds, maybe think about doing some form of loyalty membership or something, where they pay a certain amount, and get translations in high quality earlier, or some shit. I dunno, something that might get you funds. otherwise, just donations or whatever you've been doing. If you do get them

fuck lol. Honest American typo.

Fuck you. I've been tagging all of my posts with -Tech for a reason.
As for the meeting with my staff, ect ect, I've been on top of it. Hell, I was the one who started the thread in the Uploaders section for my fellow perverts to consolidate what information we have and to plan our next course of action.
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You. Will. Never. See. Any. Form. Of. Micro. Transactions. EVER.

We do this because we enjoy it, or use it to learn. Ed started translating to learn Japanese, I gave him that shove he needed to stop thinking about it and to actually do it.



Fuck yea.

Murica.


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How bout make new website with the One Same name but
diffrent style

Appologies, didn't even see the -tech tag. [size=8]Needs to be much bigger. Biggest size for maximum sight[/h]

As for the rest, my bad. Didn't realise how on top of it you were. Just giving out suggestions in case, hah

As for the micro transactions, fair call. Wasn't sure on your stance, thus the options and the 'if you do get them' in which case, fair call, good stance.

Well there you go. You have your shit together, and all is good. Keep it that way, and you have a happy australian not taking the piss :D



'Murica
I'm inb4'ing you start hunting down typos in my posts and quote them, only to reply with 'straya

I've got gTeam Darko to pick on when it comes to Aussie bashing. As for the shit that's been going on, hopefully Jacob can get a deal worked out.

That's all I'm at liberty to say.

Uploaders, should just give fingers to those banning bastards. What are they gonna do? Send Terminator? Nuke?

Hush child.

Unless you have something intelligent to add to this conversation, don't speak. You have nothing to lose from 'giving the finger' since you are not even involved in the scene.

A leecher like you wouldn't understand the legal repercussions of what's actually going on.

EDIT : Seems the leecher -rep'd me. Pretty much the pinnacle of acting like a child.

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Really hope I'm not upsetting anyone/breaking any rules here, but is there plan of action?

I just found out today that some of my favorite manga are no longer available and I ran straight to the forums to find out what's going on and this seems to be the most official thread at the moment.

If this post is misplaced or breaking any rules/etiquette please feel free to remove it and point me to the right place! (I've been a member for just over two years and this is obviously my first post, please be gentle ;D)

This is the 'offical' thread for the PUBLIC regarding this issue, there is a more serious one going on in the Uploaders forum but thats off limits for your typical peasent (I love you guys too).

As for works being unavailable, sit tight. We're actively working it.
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