iPhone 5

Hmm.

Nothing new. Looks nice.

But what the hell im gonna do with huge cameras?

Also i played around with my friends Galaxy S3. I liked it, looks nice as IP5 does.

But my friend sayd that because of its size you can use it as a shovel. IPhone 5 falls into "shovel" category in size for my friend too.

I know the iPhone 5 is out already,but does the iPod Touch 5 is in stores now or is it under development?

Still processing...



I don't deny the annoyances of having a new standard introduced, especially when I have plenty of accessories that use the 30-pin connector, but everything comes to an end eventually. The new connector is far superior to 30-pin, and uses Thunderbolt technology which will give it at the very least USB3 speeds during syncing. This is something 30-pin couldn't support. In addition it is far smaller, and this extra space inside the chassis is invaluable if you look at the interiors of an iPhone 5, as well as for future products.



How does the 30-pin changing to Lightning affect you in this case? Apple was already one of the only few companies beside Samsung to not use MicroUSB. Changing from one to the other should make no difference.



Please show me where they used the word revolutionary on their site, keynote or advert. You won't be able to find it. You're confused by the millions of fandroids circlejerking over the iPhone 5, making up things that Apple never did or said. In reality Apple doesn't use the word revolutionary nearly as much as you think. Online haters are the ones who blow it out of proportion. http://www.apple.com/iphone/

As for bringing it "in-line" with competitors, that is also slightly untrue. For one the A6 chip doesn't use the Cortex-A9 architecture, and is the first time Apple developed the core itself. As I've always said, benchmarks don't mean much, but I would still like to point out its performance for a dual-core chip, shown by its geekbench score.



Again, specs don't mean much. The iPhone 4S is smoother than half of the Android handsets in the list with higher scores on geekbench, but at least you should note that this dual core chip with a lower clock speed is at the very least on-par with the Cortex-A9 quad core chips inside the latest Android phones. And you should know well what quad core does to the battery when compared with dual core.

I already mentioned everything else in detail in my reply to Sindalf, mostly with relation to the first mobile display that shows the full sRGB spectrum, bigger battery, all in a aluminium/glass chassis that's still thinner and lighter than the pure plastic Galaxy S3.



Are you comparing the access speed and stability of SD cards to flash storage? Seriously?



The iPod touch 5th gen will be shipping in October.

If you lose your cable and ask a friend to borrow theirs it sucks if they don't have the same one. All blackberry and android phones use the same one.

"The biggest thing to happen to iphone since iphone" sounds like marketing it as revolutionary to me. That is unless you do not consider the original iphone revolutionary. You cannot deny the impact the iphone has had on society.

I have a 32GB UHS-I SDHC card in my phone right now and it is capable of 50MB/s. It can go faster depending on the software you use it with when transferring files. Pretty damn fast. UHS-II will be able to do 312 MB/s when they come out. You don't really need anything faster than that and it doesn't affect access times one bit. Good SSDs can do 500 MB/s and regular hard drives are between 50-150 or so if you want to compare. Stability is the same with the flash drives found in your phone.

Also SDXC cards that are just now starting to come out will support even higher capacities. There are some 128 GB versions out there now. Plus think of this. Say you have a digital camera. If your comp doesn't have a SD card reader you can always pop it in your phone and email/upload the pictures from there. Or you could show them off to your friends without draining your precious batteries in the camera.

I'm sure the new iphone is a solid phone and it has some bells and whistles but I'm not going to buy it unless they change their attitude about some things.

Massive generalization. Sure it has millions pre-orders but out of what percent is that from? And buying the new Iphone doesn't necessarily mean that the people who are buying it aren't underwhelmed. It's a solid phone yes, but is it worth relative to what you pay for it? That's subjective from what you want from it. But from a point-blank technical standpoint, it definitely is underwhelming compared to what else is on the market and i would say no it isn't worth the pricetag.

But Apple don't care, they know that people don't buy their phone for it's specs, camera or necessarily it's ios. Don't act dumb, you know that people buy an Iphone not because of it's specs but because of the image, much like a rolex watch or a LV clothing brand. Apple are smart, why invest more money in upgrading the tech and lose a profit margin on the product when not doing so won't decrease it's market value at all. Regardless of worth, price, specs or aesthetics they're basically selling you a brand more than the product and that's something people will buy regardless of the product.

This is why those pre-sale and the sale statistics are highly deceptive, at least if you're arguing which phone is better in-terms of getting your moneys-worth.

The iPhone in general is for the ignorant masses to flock to and spend all their money on because Steve Jobs knew how to make idiots spend money, that was his greatest achievement. I'll always buy an Android phone because if there's one thing I've learned in my time it's that just because a lot of people do it doesn't make it right because majority of people are stupid. Also I don't want to have to jailbreak my phone just to watch porn -_-

Cool stuff. I got it to show all the benchmarks on a chart:

S3:

iPhone5:

Appears to me the average S3 is better than the new iPhone and some people were able to get the S3 running 50% faster than the best iPhone5 bench. Although there are only like 3 iPhone benches so you can't really trust it. Also the bench may be weighting things that may not be relevant, etc.

YES! Preparing for shipment! Friday can't come faster.



I don't know about you, but for me just as many friends own an iPhone as ones who own Android phones (I don't know anyone who uses Blackberry), and a lot of them are going to have an iPhone 5 or an iPod touch 5. I've never had problems 'borrowing' a 30-pin to USB cable, and I doubt that Lightning to USB cables will be that rare in a few months.

Again, the biggest hurdle and problem for this change are the accessory makers and people with a ton of accessory. I do think changing to Lightning is inconvenient, but for the sake of future engineering endeavours this had to be done. The 30-pin is seriously ANCIENT.



I think you're misunderstanding that phrase a little bit. Let's look at that sentence again. They are marketing the iPhone 5 as "The biggest thing to happen to iPhone since iPhone". They didn't say "The biggest thing to happen to phones since iPhone".

In other words, they're not saying that this phone is nearly as revolutionary as the original iPhone. They're saying that this is the best upgrade they have ever done. I actually can't confirm whether this is true or not myself since I won't have my iPhone 5 until this Friday, but most reviewers seem to think so. The "redesign" on surface seems less than impressive, but the new thinness and weight is impossible to ignore when you actually hold it in your hands.





I don't think I have to emphasise how important the way a phone feels in your hand is. I used the same argument against the Galaxy S III a few months ago when it came out. I insisted that the HTC One X was a better smartphone. Most people disagreed because the One X lacked a removable battery, SD card slot and had a weaker processor/less RAM. Why is the One X still a better phone? Because none of that stuff are as important as how it feels in your hand. The SGS3 feels like a scrap of cheap plastic and has an awkward form factor. The One X feels far better than the SGS3 in that regard.

Really, I wanted to receive my iPhone 5 before I replied to you on this matter, because I would have held one then. However I can tell just by looking and the reviews that have consolidated that this is not an over-exaggeration. Apple has never pushed the sheer design of the phone as much as this.

As for why it's better than the iPhone 3Gs -> iPhone 4 jump, well...the processor/RAM/camera improvements are the same. The design improvement is actually far more impressive than 3Gs -> 4, and the screen improvement is actually existent, just not in the form of resolution. Again, full sRGB coverage.

Most importantly, for the first time, Apple actually has increased battery performance of the already impressive iPhone 4S. I don't think anyone explains it as well as Engadget does in their tests:



Seriously, you can't show me another smartphone that can do that in real life. Apple never over-advertise their battery life. They only under-advertise.



Again, we're putting a lot of emphasis on the SD card here. A few months ago, I argued that the One X was better than the Galaxy S III, and the SD card didn't stop me there. If it's the iPhone 5, there's even less reason, wouldn't you agree? After all we have seen about the insanely thin chassis, unmatchable battery life and paperlight weight, the lack of MicroSD is even more insignificant.

Of course, I'm not saying that it's a GOOD thing. If the iPhone 5 has a MicroSD slot, I would love to use it. However, I would not mind if it didn't have one, just like how I don't mind the One X not having one. If not having one makes it thinner and lighter, I would prioritise that. Naturally not everyone will agree...but not everyone have to buy this phone.

However I will say that SD cards do not, and will never match flash storage in terms of stability. As for the transfer speed, I agree it's not all that useful on a phone...unless you're loading huge applications (and iOS has a lot more of those than Android).



That iPhone 5 has such a good camera, why would you need another camera?

OK, that was a joke. :P Seriously though, I do carry a DSLR with me quite often. I like photography. I carry an iPhone/iPad SD card reader around everywhere I go (the iPad is invaluable in my camera bag, iPhoto and Photoshop Touch are really nice), and I do wish I didn't need the adapter...

In fact, with Lightning, my adapter doesn't even work anymore. Oh well. At least it still works with my iPad. And I'm sure it'll come out soon enough. It's not like we CAN'T read SD cards if we want.



No, you're never going to buy it because it has an Apple logo. I'm pretty sure no matter how they marketed it, it's not going to be the phone for you. After all, it's silly to say Samsung's advertising is any less veiled and misleading. :P

...which is fine, by the way. I have nothing against that.



I said in the first reply to Sindalf that the iPhone is overpriced unsubsidised. I never claimed it wasn't. I'm saying that the iPhone 5 is an extremely expensive, but very capable smartphone - if not the best right now.



I did say that people who buy the iPhone (including me) don't care about the specs. However, if you think Apple isn't investing into R&D, you're wrong. The iPhone 5 has beastly specs, even though most of the people who buy it won't really care about it.



Above is performance tests conducted by AnAndTech. I have linked Geekbench before already but I'll quote it again.



The iPhone 4S never felt slow. By your logic, Apple could have just let it be, and not make a better processor, and people would still buy the iPhone 5 anyway. This is true - but Apple did make the iPhone 5 a lot more powerful when they didn't have to. That's something great they have done.



If you want a phone that's worth your money, get a Galaxy Nexus. I don't deny it's a better value than the iPhone 5 unsubsidised. However, that doesn't mean it's a better phone.



Overclocked. Have fun with your two hour battery life. I've already mentioned how well the iPhone 5 fared in real life battery tests so I won't repeat myself...

To each his own on that interpretation of the marketing I guess. I don't think anyone doubts the newest model should be the best version since technology always advances. I wouldn't be using my current phone (Xperia Play) if it didn't have an AWESOME GAMEPAD if that speaks to anything. There are a lot of cons to this phone though because of it but its pretty awesome playing old super nintendo games with the pad while waiting in line at the grocery store. Even though it weighs a ton compared to other phones it doesn't really matter since I visit this site regularly.

It makes me wonder on that S3 benchmark if some people are underclocking their phone for more battery life. There are a lot of tests in the middle of that bench and they trail off going up AND down. The right column on the S3 test should be the NA version as the dual core has a higher clock rate and the lowest bench of that matches the iPhone5 bench. I guess the bench doesn't look at the actual clock rate of the phone but places one based off the model number.

Who's the butt hurt one here? I couldn't care less about the whole rep system, or whether Iphone 5 is a "good" phone. All I did was share my own opinion on what I was expecting from Apple.

You on the other hand, appears to be vehemently defending your recent purchase commitment. It's just a phone, no need to get upset if someone has a different set of opinions :)

As disappointed as I WAS with Iphone 5, the recently rumored benchmarks has me impressed. Plus, SGS3 isn't quad core in NA, so who knows, I just might end up going with the Iphone 5.

Finally I have her in my hands. She's beautiful.













This is the part I don't understand. Even in the days when I had a SGS2, I never try to underclock my phone. I use it very intensively so my battery never lasted a whole day, but that's what removable batteries are for, isn't it? I always carry another battery pack.



Just so you know, that wasn't necessarily targeted at you. It was targeted at whoever was hitting the -Rep button. And no...I don't care about rep. If I did, I wouldn't have posted this thread. Every time Apple makes something new, I make a thread and I get -Reps. :P

I'm a strong advocate of getting the phone most suitable for you. If you don't like Apple's ecosystem, by all means get an Android device. Probably the new Nexus phone that comes out every year after the iPhone. I'm sure it will be fantastic.

You holding it makes it look way too tall and not fat enough. It fit in your pocket? Like if there is room in your pocket then they should've made it fatter. Looks like a 16:10 screen from the side.

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AND THE APPLE LOGO IS OFF CENTER LOLOLOLOLOL -sarcasm

Edit: here's a teardown of the phone. Apparently fixing the screen is easier now but the jacks on the bottom will be a pain to fix if they break.

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone-5-Teardown/10525

The camera lens resists sand paper apparently.

It's definitely not too tall, got used to it very quickly. Only awkward part is when you view photos which as you know are not 16:9. Also, fits in my pocket much snugger than the SGS3, especially in smaller pockets.

People don't underclock, they undervolt. Underclocking is a waste of CPU power and potentially lead to a shorter battery life if you play games and other intensive apps. Samsung usually overvolt their CPUs in the name of absolute stability, but most of the time you can bring the voltage down maybe 50-100 mV without experiencing crashes. Does loads for your battery life.

Related, pretty funny parody of Apple's iPhone ads :P

That is hilarious.

Seems like any other iPhone if you ask me, not gonna get.

Android held a larger market share than iOS just days before the iPhone 5 was released, a whopping 51.2% more. I don't think the iPhone 5's release is going to do so much that iOS will overcome that 51.2% gap, but we'll see what's happened when the new stats are released at the end of Q4. I could be wrong, but in my honest opinion, I find it highly unlikely that iOS will surpass Android anytime in the near or distant future. That being said, I'm pretty sure you're still in the minority.

Well I caved.