is my code of honor too strict or aggresive?
too much?
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bakapink wrote...
Sorry I don't completely understand all of your points so if I misunderstand anything go ahead and tell me.deathgod72 wrote...
1. often times most of us(myself included) are suicidal however it doesn't always mean we particularly want to die just that we see little or no value in our own livesThose kinds of mindsets lead to suicidal behavior, and if successful leads to a successful suicide. In this way I see a contradiction to the code of being opposed to suicide.
deathgod72 wrote...
2.it is a minor exception but if someone kills once its looked into to see if they did it on purpose or in self defense if they did it in self defense then it is dropped with no action taken if it was on purpose however we are forced to take them in to police 2nd kill is purely judgemental some may take them in others may end them permanently 3rd kill is always kill on sight we require definite proof of a killing(with intent to do so) or atleast one of our own to vouch for the witness unless it is one of our own that is a witness
[This is where I was mostly confused in understanding what you were trying to convey]
Different people have different concepts of "danger" and "self defense", for example (the controversial) Florida's stand your ground law, which legalizes assault and premeditated murder on basis of different skin colored people entering another skin colored neighborhood. In example, a man, witnessing a boy of different skin color walking around in his neighborhood (said boy was going to his uncle(I believe it was his uncle) house carrying a bag of candy, soda pop, and talking to his girlfriend on his cellphone). Calls police to notify authorities who tells him to sit back and they'll handle, in what I can only guess "feeling like a cowboy" he ignores the officer, grabs his gun, and chases after the boy. While confronting the boy, who tried to ignore him, the confrontation became physical. In "self defense" the man shot the boy, which lead to the boys death then and there. A law called "stand your ground" in Florida and a few other states found his actions completely legal (ironically did not work for a lady of the same skin color as the boy when she shot at the ground of her husbands feet when he started to become violent, from what I understand.) To a handful of "these people" in support of this law, entering a 3 meter radius of their body and appearing dangerous to them, constitutes self defense. To me, the law and the people in support of it mistake's assault for self defense... So what basis would you be using the judge "self defense" and what makes it anymore valid?
Even with a system with laws, it is not always 100% in it's trialing of perpetrators, people can be falsely accused of crime they did not commit and serve years for it, their are a few cases of people who were put to death for crimes they did not commit (speaking in terms of US law). Admittingly it is proof of the systems faults, but it is a rather well refined system, a system that tries it's best to be impartial and judge based off of evidence. Most of the faults lie in it's human factors. So the idea of a system completely detached and left to personal judgement (to me) is a step back into allowing feeling to dictate righteousness.
deathgod72 wrote...
3. cheating is never allowed divorce is always an option even if one does not want to let go either they go by choice or we force it by blade or gunif it was the case of a partner that was being left not wanting to let go of the leaving partner then it gets complicated some may leave them alone some might consider the partner selfish and "teach" them the error of their ways(non lethally of course) others might execute them both in that choice they make they are not targeted per se but no longer protected from harm by any "rouge actions"
in the case of abuse they are once again "taught" the error of their ways
if the two do not have the money to afford divorce but still consider themselves separate then it is viewed as similar to getting a divorce the rule only applys to the marrages that one partner is still committed to the relationship and the other not mentioning the desire to leave but just going out on there own for personal gain while still taking from the committed partner
So only the establishment of marriage matters, as long as it's properly ended (in court I assume), anyone can sleep/marry with whoever they want how ever many times? This seems like a rule for marriage's sake, as opposed to upholding the integrity of a promise/commitment. Cheating being wrong I can understand but the killing the perpetrator had me thinking that it was the latter, a concept that seemed similar to (what I understand of) the "Bushido" code of commitment.
deathgod72 wrote...
4.it doesn't matter of personal feelings (harsh now that I think about it) its blunt honesty and cold logic that runs this and if one lie to save ones live does in fact cause the death of another its merely a judgment call on the individuals choice although they would most likely seek out methods to protect both people even if it involves lying several times or taking further actionWere human, no matter what personal feelings and emotions always rules a factor in our judgement. Putting "faith" in another, who you may not know, that they would seek to save everyone is an emotional judgement. It also doesn't address perceptions of "the right answer". To add on to my example, the person they kill, they believed was a killer and concluded that they deserve death, to later find the person was innocent. Through the "justification of murdering a (believed) murder" they've killed an innocent person. Does that person now deserve death, despite their action being made in what is considered a just reason, there by making them innocent?
I'm not trying to hammer you about lying (realized I was), lying is extremely situational, their are always a huge number of factors in any given choice and occasionally, to create the least amount of friction, lying can be a good choice, as bad as I feel for saying this... (The example going on in my head, 2 countries, hostile to each other, trying to make peace, but one guy goes and attack people from the other country, so both governments lie stating the man is from another country so that the peace talks don't break down.)
deathgod72 wrote...
5. it can get complicated some women actually protected their rapists others wanted to kill them themselves some were just happy if they just never saw them again it heavily depends on the victims choice even if it makes us bend our code a bit we don't want to put victim at risk (one girl was ready to die protecting her rapist) like I said it can get complicatedStockholm syndrome, I'm aware of it. But my point is about passing judgement without indefinite proof, the difference between "enough proof" between multiple individuals, and ending a life that can redeem itself. Rape is an emotional subject for me, and given the chance, in an emotional outburst I would probably agree with you that they should die. But looking at it logically, as cruel as this may be for a victim, the rapist life can still have value, they can still attempt to atone for what they've done to the victim. (Killing all rapist also means killing the ones tried with stachatory rape.)
deathgod72 wrote...
6.no true allie or friend would ever break the code once they decide to kill an innocent they are not one of us and will be dealt with in accordance to 2.(Example) So you and a friend of yours, for as long as you can remember, are always next to each other, helping each other and such. But one day something really bad happens and both of you are needed to act. Having no idea that your friend would, he chooses a different answer than you, one you believe hurts a lot of people. Does that mean he is no longer a friend, as well, does that mean your justified in killing him? Choices are not that easily defined, as well, the way people come to conclusions is not always the same. This is where we probably differ but I believe an enemy can also be a friend.
deathgod72 wrote...
and we don't serve society we are not slaves to a government group or faction of any kind your laws mean nothing to us if it gets in the way of the safety or puts people at risk.we serve people not your rules as such we even bend our own rules to best benefit
the people as a whole.
Rules are established by people through (in most cases) fair systems. Through dialogue and reason we try to establish the best solution, and while it may not always please everyone, we try to find a solution that protects the most. That is governments purpose (US at least, since I have no idea from where your speaking from). It is by the people for the people. Granted governments can become corrupt, no human is above corruption after all, and no system of government perfectly protects against it... That's why the US is going through so much crap. I cannot condone abandoning it for convenience so easily. Then again I don't know what rules your society follows. I also acknowledge there are times in which I think that some laws are unnecessary, counter productive, or just plain destructive, but I can't allow myself to act independently of them, for what I believe may be justice, another may find otherwise, and vise verse.
deathgod72 wrote...
you know several girls asked me not to die some actually wanted me to promise them I told them "If I promised id be lying I can give you a thousand promises but a promise will never make me bulletproof"True, just because you make it doesn't mean you can keep it, but not trying to is the problem I was bringing up. Not that I am insinuating you don't.
deathgod72 wrote...
myself and other followers of the code are trained to follow these rules to the best of our ability but its mixed with our judgment or instincts depending on the current situation we adapt its like having a set of guidelines nothing is set in stone everything can be altered or ignored(very rare cases) to better benefit the general public the methods can be both pure or inpure but the goal remains the same "keep as many alive as possible"You are completely entitled to them, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you can't have them, it simply seemed like you wanted an opinion, and my opinion was, the ones I gave. My opinion collide in some places with yours, so I was just trying to word it to the best of my ability. My opinion is only opinion after all and I am not trying to force you to change, I was just interested in a bit of dialogue and pondering. I came to a couple of personal conclusions while typing these replies out. I'll understand if you can't agree with my opinions. I had fun. XD
I am American just raised more violently then most American people are
and instead of turning my sorrow remorse and anger into a wild uncontrolled bloodlust hell bent on revenge I was trained properly by others who followed this code(a mix of former gang members buddist and Taoist martial artist(mostly anyway) and some retired military vets) I learned to focus things instead of blindly throwing my anger at everything that moved I learned to be disciplined and controlled with my movements as well as my actions I was taught to treat every decision as if it were life or death when I speak of "us" im not talking of a "militant psycho group" or anything like that just normal civilians trying to live a normal nonviolent life most of us became connected to eachother via friends and family not everyone knows everyone but I was lucky enough to meet and train with almost everyone(atleast everyone I know of atm theres probably more people I never met or heard of) only difference is we have the training personal discipline, will and courage to do whatever it takes to protect our lives and not only the ones we care for but everyone around us everyone has resources and experience that we can all learn and get stronger from
you just have to be dedicated and patient enough to listen and work on yourself.
and yes I understand you have a more emotional/sentimental point of view but you still have a lot of logic to back your opinions and btw in several of the things you said I agree with only thing that is set in stone to me are the killings the cheating is debatable depending on how far the situation went
(girls who girl birth to a different mans child then makes the husband pay and raise the child that is not his should always be eliminated scum like that just don't deserve to live) I would have added the rape as being set but as I previously said things get complicated depending on the victim.
and yes it has been fun thank you for your input ^^.