Kanji
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Who thinks that it is a true pain in the ass to learn them? I know about 150 and just think that it is getting a bit difficult to learn more. I'm kinda hitting a learning wall...
Does anyone here know any good methods to learn them?
Does anyone here know any good methods to learn them?
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
To just to get by... you need to know the 1000 most common ones.
And i still need a pocket guide to kana or romaji... mainly because i only know 250 or so kanji.
And i still need a pocket guide to kana or romaji... mainly because i only know 250 or so kanji.
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I know the pain, I've took a chinese course during my childhood, it's worse than japanese, since there is no hiragana nor katakana. I think the only way to memory it, just to use them frequently.
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Yeah, my goal is to learn the 2000 Kanji but as I am doing right now, idk. Wonder if buying a kanji poster and putting it in my room will help.
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Kadushy
Douchebag
I'm going to try and learn that eventually. Still on Hiragana right now and it's not so bad.
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It's hard, damn, lately haven't been studying them properly. about methods, don't know any, but lately I've been using denshi jisho's kanji by radicals, makes it easy to remember.
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Yeah, I know what you mean with that wall. The same thing happened to me at around the same time. There are many good learning methods, but they might not work for every individual...
The obvious method is learning kanji every day. It doesn't have to be a long study session, just try to learn one new kanji and review few more you already know, preferably those you have trouble with. It's surprisingly effective.
Another method is grouping together kanjis with similar meaning or that look similar. That way you will pick up the differences faster and it will be easier to tell them from each other.
Very important part is actually trying to write the kanji on a piece of paper. I myself find that about 5 minutes of writing a new kanji is effective.
I'd like to point out I am by no means a pro at the language, I should know only about 250 kanji that I learned in 2 years.
The obvious method is learning kanji every day. It doesn't have to be a long study session, just try to learn one new kanji and review few more you already know, preferably those you have trouble with. It's surprisingly effective.
Another method is grouping together kanjis with similar meaning or that look similar. That way you will pick up the differences faster and it will be easier to tell them from each other.
Very important part is actually trying to write the kanji on a piece of paper. I myself find that about 5 minutes of writing a new kanji is effective.
I'd like to point out I am by no means a pro at the language, I should know only about 250 kanji that I learned in 2 years.
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Repetition is the best way to learn kanji, I usually write the ones I learn a bunch of times on paper every day. By the way, has anyone heard of Remembering the Kanji? I was wondering if it is a good book.
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Kanji is without a doubt one of the more difficult aspects of the entire language, but at least some of them are easy to remember. It kind of takes all motivation away to put any effort in doing some Japanese language though.
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I still need to build up my vocabulary. Even then, I hate the two pronounciations for when you have a single Kanji, or have two right next to the other. Gotta really get focused on that. I can recognize the meaning of the Kanji I know, but I have trouble remembering the pronounciation. Terrible memory, so repitition is my only hope.
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It would depend on how advanced are you with grammar and vocab. Also, how are you learning - independently, or through a course?
I'm nearing the end of my second year at university (so I "know" to varying degrees about 450), meaning everything is structured and I'm under pressure to actually study, mainly through repetition. I make three columns on a piece of paper marked "meaning", "kanji" and "reading/example".
I'd recommend you learn kanji relevant to the words you actually know, and when that's done build you vocabulary and kanji knowledge together.
Looking up English equivalent meanings to each kanji can be both a help and a hindrance.
You might also try dedicating some time to learning each radical. I haven't done this, but now I'm more familiar with kanji than a year ago, it's become so much easier because they're no longer just squiggly lines.
The books we use are called Genki (there are two volumes). At the back of each book there are small kanji lists of about 15 per "lesson" (23 lessons/chapters over the two books) that are useful because they show the stroke order, english meaning, kun and on readings, and example words. They start at 100% beginner level and go to a (very) low intermediate level.
I have the giant White Rabbit Press kanji poster (with all jouyou kanji) in my room, but I haven't had much use for it yet. Maybe when uni finishes and I have some spare time to do extra study.
You could also try reading some manga with furigana. I bought an electronic dictionary (with a write-on screen) and some basic manga. Aside from really enjoying it, I like the odd looks I get at work when I read Cardcaptor Sakura at lunch. Although that doesn't help so much with kanji as it does vocab and general competence...
Anyway, hopefully my overly-long post is able to give you, and the rest of us who are struggling, some ideas. If you ARE just a beginner (and not one of those rarities who can speak well but who just can't write), I'd recommend those Genki books (published by The Japan Times). They're a little on the expensive side, though.
I'm nearing the end of my second year at university (so I "know" to varying degrees about 450), meaning everything is structured and I'm under pressure to actually study, mainly through repetition. I make three columns on a piece of paper marked "meaning", "kanji" and "reading/example".
I'd recommend you learn kanji relevant to the words you actually know, and when that's done build you vocabulary and kanji knowledge together.
Looking up English equivalent meanings to each kanji can be both a help and a hindrance.
You might also try dedicating some time to learning each radical. I haven't done this, but now I'm more familiar with kanji than a year ago, it's become so much easier because they're no longer just squiggly lines.
The books we use are called Genki (there are two volumes). At the back of each book there are small kanji lists of about 15 per "lesson" (23 lessons/chapters over the two books) that are useful because they show the stroke order, english meaning, kun and on readings, and example words. They start at 100% beginner level and go to a (very) low intermediate level.
I have the giant White Rabbit Press kanji poster (with all jouyou kanji) in my room, but I haven't had much use for it yet. Maybe when uni finishes and I have some spare time to do extra study.
You could also try reading some manga with furigana. I bought an electronic dictionary (with a write-on screen) and some basic manga. Aside from really enjoying it, I like the odd looks I get at work when I read Cardcaptor Sakura at lunch. Although that doesn't help so much with kanji as it does vocab and general competence...
Anyway, hopefully my overly-long post is able to give you, and the rest of us who are struggling, some ideas. If you ARE just a beginner (and not one of those rarities who can speak well but who just can't write), I'd recommend those Genki books (published by The Japan Times). They're a little on the expensive side, though.
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i only know hiragana... memorized everything, got lazy for katakana, and when i saw kanji, i cried
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It isn't all that bad. Especially the first couple of hundred. Especially if you follow something like a JLPT list for each level. I only started groaning every now and then past the ~900 mark. I'm currently at ~1.2k (according to my drill record statistics). I find the kanji meaning and readings stick best if you find a word (or a couple of them), which you can associate with something that "means" something to you. It can be something as silly as a character's name from anything (for example, I've never once misread è–, because it also happens to be the name of a character from Touhou, in this case - Hijiri Byakuren).
I'd recommend using something like renshuu.org for a nice system to keep your practice records and stuff. The community also seems fairly nice and willing to explain stuff should you need it.
I'd recommend using something like renshuu.org for a nice system to keep your practice records and stuff. The community also seems fairly nice and willing to explain stuff should you need it.
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Hentanize
rebaS
I'm currently entering second year in japanese and I'm lacking Kanji knowledge... Shit =/.
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yurixhentai
desu
I love my Kanji learning. I usually practice daily, and then start seeing the Kanji I've learnt everywhere.
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A friend of mine is learning Chinese. He hasn't had that hard a time with it, and I think it's because he spends a lot of time on a Chinese instant messenger service. He started going to sites aimed towards Chinese people before he even started his first class because he's got yellow fever bad, especially for Chinese chicks, for I think it's been a great help for him.
So, try going to Japanese sites or using services that involve speaking in Japanese, and make yourself use kanji. The repetition will sear it into your brain, and it'll be more fun than just staring at a book or writing on paper all day.
So, try going to Japanese sites or using services that involve speaking in Japanese, and make yourself use kanji. The repetition will sear it into your brain, and it'll be more fun than just staring at a book or writing on paper all day.
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neko-chan wrote...
+rep for whoever correctly gives the meaning for each kanji in the topic image go go go!Son of a bitch, I don't know 15 kanji in that picture! XD
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RinTsuchimi wrote...
neko-chan wrote...
+rep for whoever correctly gives the meaning for each kanji in the topic image go go go!Son of a bitch, I don't know 15 kanji in that picture! XD
Whaaaa- that is like basic kanji right thar. ( ﾟヮﾟ)
Lets see... The first line is easy anyways...
The kanji represent river, rice-field, Sun, Mountain, Moon, Person, Mouth, Tree, Cart(?), Gate, Fire, and Water.
Obviously the lower 3 lines are harder but... a lot of kanji are made up of characters you already know. Just squint and see if you can guess what the two kanji combining to make lol. <--- *not actual advice*
