Male and Female Domination in Hentai

I have been in Fakku for a really long time now, and I have seen a lot. From time to time I wander why the go so oveboard.You should never take Hentai seriously but in many, woman are treated so inhumanely that I really wonder why, and the same goes the other way, some of the femdom ones are so brutal that feeling sick.

What I want to ask is why do you think the reason is? Why Women in Hentai are treated like object and degraded ?, and why dominated male are so severely brutalized and humiliated?

please I want your honest opinion, I fully aware the everything in hentai is a fantasy and "not real", but I been wandering for a while and finally decided to create the topic, thank you.

It is simple isn't it? People make hentai, and put their desires into it, and that is just what they want to create. No matter if it seems weird, or whatnot to you, it is just simply another persons desires manifesting as hentai.

just S&M. as a masochist myself, i can say that it is an actual thing and it is more of a personal preference than anything and what some people like is what other people find strange.

Eeeeh the Femdom isn't too bad. Kinda my thing. I steer clear and far away from most Hentai that are terrible to women. (Rape/forced by some random guys type Hentai).

That said, it is kinda obvious. Hentai is porn, people put whatever they want to put in there to get off. Not judging of course, because some of these things really aren't that bad or are actually pretty laughable/unrealistic.

Seems Japanesemen are quite keen on S&M, too.

A matter of culture, authors' phantasm, audience rate, and personal perception + taste.

You have to realize that hentai (or porn in general) is a male targeted industry and caters to the fantasies of men. The material can range from arousing to full on twisted. Since it's of the porn genre, women will be sexualized regardless and will either be a submissive or dominant. These are sometimes taken to the extreme, to fully exploit the persons fantasy and invoke a strong response/arousal. Also shows the culture of where the media comes from (such as the fantasy of women having unrealistic huge tits > Asian culture has a more predominately slender female figure).

The thing about porn though is the issue on fantasy and reality. A person who becomes disillusioned will begin to blend the two together. It isn't rational for a person to think, "hey that guy just raped that woman and she ended up loving it and becoming his sex slave so I can do it too". This is a fantasy scenario and if you were to really do this without any rational thought, you'd be in jail. I read all kinds of hentai personally and I don't have a problem with it. I wouldn't want to do everything I read, but I enjoy the fantasy of things when I'm having 'fun'. The only problem I would have is when someone treats me like crap because they saw it in a porn magazine or online. To me, it is more of an emphasis on the person being at fault then it is the porns fault, if an incident arrises.

[color=green]It's all about preference in my opinion. I personally like the Femdom side of hentai because of me being a submissive male. But yeah, it really depends on the persons taste. Some people love the rough side of porn while others find it offensive.[/color]

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The domination seen in Manga is usually over the top, because it is difficult to portray the more realistic forms of dominance and submission and still make the manga marketable. Let's face it, a manga showing a Dom refusing to let their sub achieve orgasm would likely not appeal to most readers.

Female Dommes are portrayed as sadistic and cruel because most dominant women know they must find a way to establish their dominance over men who are usually bigger and stronger than they are, coupled with a general mindset of going against the perception of women as basically submissive creatures.

Because reality is unrealistic

putting in an accurate representation of S&M probably wouldn't work that well in art. part of art is over-exaggerating things so you can immediately see them.

that being said, actual abuse and not s&m is likely a power fantasy.

Above all, it's cause people like different things so deal with it

As a straight man who's been in a lot of role reversal and some bondage, I understand greatly what you mean. The trust and respect seen on either end is often uneven. Even in a great deal of femdom manga, the male is dominated (sometimes in an insulting manner at that) and then he turns around and proceeds to dominate the female in an even more forceful manner. I saddens me how misrepresented the BDSM community is shown, but it's not limited alone to hentai, it's seen everywhere!

My theory on why that is? It's the people who see this as just a new kink instead of it being a special bond (no pun intended). Porn often exaggerates proportions, and is delivered to cater to an ideal mass who find it most appealing. A video of a loving couple having passionate sex just doesn't garner as much attention as a petite chick being pounded by a 10-inch cock.

tl;dr - BDSM is sex, so it's still greatly misrepresented and exaggerated.

In regards to culture; It's created to cater to a male culture that are the product of a once heavily male dominated society that still wishes to hold onto those customs of the ideal "submissive female". In the same way this clashes in the west with the growing independence of women, this seems to have the same clashing effects in Japan, or at least in the anime sub-culture. (I don't explore Japanese modern culture enough to state this indefinitely.) Women have a lot more room for choice and will, and hentai often conveys a desire to eliminate that variety of choices, well... In regards to rape/ntr/domination/drug/mindbreak/ect.

I admit, there is a definite distinction between fantasy and reality, but you have to admit, that there is a conscious effort to eliminate that when porn made to mimic hentai is made.



If a person's only experience with sex comes from pornography, Hentai is easily distinguishable from real life, on it's own, but when you start intertwining them, with nothing else to go off of (experience of opinion wise). It is entirely possible for someone to start tearing down walls between the perception of the two. To start assuming the right and wrong of a hentai world may mirror how right and wrong works in the real sex world. Especially so due to the fact that right and wrong of the sex world is hidden and separated from the real world already, often called "wrong" or "shameful" regardless of the content (by say, religiously strong willed persons). Guess I am getting to a point where I am stating... everything's kind of a fucking insane mess, regardless of hentai, when it comes to sex, though this is off point.

Unfortunately, there are men, in real life, who honestly believe, even if a woman says "no" (family guy did a joke about this using James Bond), if they can just fuck them a few times, they'll change their mind and it'll become consensual at some point, and believe that this is not the same as rape. Possessing the ideas that "women don't know what they want, or if they are just fucked they'll realize the guy's choice is the 'right choice'". These are the kind of men who force women to have to go to bars with friends to avoid. Often the type who will fill a girl with tons of free alcohol so she is not in the right enough mind to resist. And this is without hentai as an influence, but this same mindset is conveyed well through quite a bit of rape hentai. Even worse, these people can actually get away with it without jail time, the fault can often be pinned entirely on the girl. Kind of like the "blame the molested when your caught molesting them, by yelling at them and accusing them of trying to ruin your life".

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While I say all this, I admit, I love cosplay porn... trow your stones if you must! (Just not at my head, legs, arms, body, or my general area...)

And yes, I strongly believe rape is a fantasy that the creators of hentai have the right to fantasize and create. But this only goes as far there art not directly hurting another. If someone is foolish enough to confuse the "right and wrong" of hentai with that of the real (sex) world, then it is that individuals fault, not the medium. And if the creator of the medium goes as far as acting out their creation, it is again, the individual's fault.

Right and wrong of the sex world, has to be accumulated from teachers and parents, in the beginning. Through experience afterwards... though this is hard, especially when those teaching individuals can have misguided perceptions themselves. I don't have a definite answer for how you acquire the knowledge, but a passive, accepting, and patient disposition and a conscious effort to explorer the real (sex) world is necessary. Assumptions shouldn't be made from hentai or porn. And unfortunately, not many people will even say that much... (in regards to how shameful the act can be regarded, some people try to hide it or mix in lies.)

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Since I kinda didn't directly reply to OP... A hundred years ago, in most countries, women were barely above objects, including America (if were talking america, I can go back to the 50's... "one of these days, POW! straight to the moon"). Because hentai is an unrestrained medium, a lot of people who inherited some bit of those mindsets or customs can channel them without restraint in the hentai form. Because sex is something that, still to this day, is a shameful act, once finally unrestrained, it becomes hard to return to a bottled disposition.

As for the brutalization of men, hentai is, mostly, created by men for men. That particular fetish of hentai is made by people with that kind of interest for others with the same interest. The best way to understand it is to share that same interest. But if I had to break it down...

"there's all types of love... examples of: scat, piss, pegging, bondage, ect... there are a variety of people who have a variety of interest that get their rocks off.... but as long as there's love, it can be a beautiful thing.... or something along those lines".

short (better) answer: Some people are capable of turning pain into pleasure, and just like with anything with pleasure derived out of it, the pleasure from the act lessons with repetition, sometimes requiring more pushes in the direction of the act till they can reach that pleasure, or pushes for more pleasure, or addictions to that particular pleasure.

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Oh and I wanted to agree with MegaNekuro statement of the misrepresentation of bdsm in hentai.

There are still a lot of submissive women out in the world, but we don’t wish to be completely submissive 24/7. We want independence and equal rights and we’ll leave the submission to the bedroom. And overall we still live in a male dominated society (and still will to some degree for now).



I did mention that this is an ideal fantasy portrayal in my remark so I do agree with you, just wasn’t worded very well.



I disagree with you on this.

Usually those who lack experience and use porn and hentai can sometimes come to use these things as their sexual basis. For instance a person who has never had sex and has a fascination with femdom and being submissive comes to believe that they will only find pleasure in having a partner that completely dominates them and/or beats the living crap out of them. In actuality they may just like having a girl ride them or pull on their hair a little (they may even come to find they like being a little dominant).

I know I use to question some of the things I enjoyed out of hentai before (I pretty much read anything), but after being with different partners and trying different things I found that I don’t really like anything too extreme.

I think you’re point of view can be correct for some cases, but not for all. I try to tell guys, don't label yourself until you try it for real, because some of the things you think you would like you won't. If you do, then find ways to practice them safely. Communication with someone is a biggy.



Perfectly normal if you ask me, I mean it’s just a specific form of dress-up/role-play sex. I got my boyfriend pretty into it, especially with cat ear costumes lol xD



This will be different for everyone (if I were to talk about sex with my parents, especially my dad, there would be an artic freeze over of the globe lol). Sad to say that not everyone gets good advice or experiences, but so is life. Just got to hope for the best and if things become chaotic, then you just have to hope something intervenes and brings back some form of balance (a rapist get’s sent to jail or to a far off planet with no food or water).

I wasn't able to get to the typos in time... Hazukashi! (There were more that I missed too... frustrating how I can never catch them till hours later, no matter how many times I re-read...)



(I used submissive because independent didn't come to mind. Just to put it out there, in case there is some confusion, I was not stating I have a problem with independent or assertive women. I have a problem with those who have a problem with it, but that is off subject...)

For quite a bit of males, still live and expect the world of the early and mid 1900's, where a woman's place was behind men. It's not a matter of finding a woman to fit that desire but being unwilling to accept that women are choosing roles in which they don't need to be behind men, or simply, don't need a man at all. Fox news provides numerous examples of those types of people shoving such beliefs in the public's face. Recent example: a woman, in her later years, was being interviewed for a book she wrote, the book discussed (being generous) that women would be happier finding and marrying a man in college, to then, leave school and have their child seeking to raise a family, as opposed to seeking an education and career. I couldn't help but translate that as, "women should only aspire to marring a man".



There might be miscommunication here. I wasn't question fetishes. It was directed at proper conduct during. To clarify, just in case, I wasn't necessarily stating that all lessons that can be learned from hentai are bad. (Though I say this, it's better to always have an objective skeptical opinion at the risk of damaging a relationship based off bad advice possibly adopted from.) I was stating that being able to distinguish what is a genuine plausible choices and behavior, between hentai and porn from real sexual encounters, can be blurred if the lines between them are, even if it's not specifically blurring the controversial part, by association, there is a possibility that it can be viewed as acceptable behavior.

One example is, anal, often times, in hentai, regardless of experience, males can shove their dick right in without any disregard for the woman. Another example, the idea that, "simply pumping" always gives a woman pleasure, to the point, where a man does not need to show any form of concern or attention for the woman's experience. Even, in the same way that men have their own quirks and fetishes, their own type of favored movements or actions, women possess the same, rarely in hentai is this ever acknowledged as something a woman possesses. There's even, how "reckless with utter disregard pumping" is more likely to hurt the woman than anything else. I know I have a lot but one more, that it doesn't hurt for a woman, no matter how much or long they fuck, that they don't chafe the same way men do. These are some common things I can see miscommunicated through hentai, and even porn.



I very much agree. What am I supposed to do with that image... (professional demeanor)



I very much realize parents are not always the best source in the beginning, rarely are I suppose, but when your first getting out there, porn is hardly the best place to go for your first lesson (I remember they had a movie that came out last year about this, I still have to see it). It can easily create unrealistic expectations... Just like with life, the best way to learn how is to work through it. To try, fail, learn, and try again, but advice along the ways, from people who have done the same (successes and mistakes) before you, can help tremendously. Unfortunately, sex is considered a shameful act by most cultures, and more so based on gender. So finding those who can give sound and reasonable advice is hard.

I don't like the idea of "hoping for change"... personal thing, but I have been involved with too many people who passively wait for things to get better, a habit I have annoyingly adopted. I don't like sitting around doing nothing, even if I don't have an option of doing something, I'd rather search for one than hope for change. Very off subject though, sorry.

(No typo's please... re-read 3 times...)

[color=#993300]The purpose of fantasy is to suspend the laws of the world and society and be able to build the world as you would like to see it. When we have an idealized version of reality that we want to come to life, it becomes what we produce, either via writing, music, art, or in this case, hentai. Moreover, especially because the overall porn industry is a very male-focused industry, it is no surprise that things become catered to what the general male wants, with niche fetishes also satisfied as well. What you said about being dominated as males is simply just one of the many fetishes being satisfied. However, it is almost natural for males to want to be the dominant of the two in the case that you posed when saying that men treat hentai women badly. It's part of the DNA, supported by testosterone, this all creates aggressiveness.

Edit: Holy shit, how did it go from one comment to several LONG comments??

But fantasy inherits from reality. There's always a degree of truth within fantasy, determining that degree is the difficult part.

[color=#993300]Which brings back to the point of the ideal situation that we prefer to have, which is where the fantasy comes in. Most of the time, we can't create something out of thin air, we have to base it off something. Here, we have a specific desire manifesting itself into hentai, which describes a specific case that may (or may not) have happened to a specific person. But more importantly, it's what the writer (or target audience) wants.

Despite how we view it as fantasy, we can consciously or unconsciously misinterpret the blurred lines, and infer them as reality.

Men stick their dicks in women to have sex, which is real. They move their dicks back and forth to experience pleasure, which is real. After reaching a certain point they cum, which is real. The woman never chafes, which is not realistic. Eventually it always turns to pleasure for the woman, which is not true. Being rough always gives the woman pleasure, really wrong, requires a lot of the right mood and partner.

(I wanted to provide examples of where the lines can begin to become blurred, but I can't seem to convey it well, so I'll leave these dissatisfying examples, out of fear of my perfectionism.)