MPC-HC Problem? or a PSU problem?
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Kaimax
Best Master-San
Is it normal for it to eat up 100% of my processes?
I never noticed any slowdown when watching any 720p anime before, but now I do. And I don't know why, every time I'm trying to watch any 720p, My PC will shut down when the episode gets to a heavy moving scenes (raining scene for example). Even scenes that I usually watch regularly is starting to experience slowdowns.
Is there something wrong with it, or there's something wrong with my PC/PSU and needs a fix/upgrade?
Specs:
Intel Core Duo 2.95GHz
Windows 7 32 bit
3Gb of RAM
Nvidia GeForce 9500GT
Tried:
-Increasing My Virtual Memory
-Clearing up my HDD
-Uninstalling programs and closing some processes.
I never noticed any slowdown when watching any 720p anime before, but now I do. And I don't know why, every time I'm trying to watch any 720p, My PC will shut down when the episode gets to a heavy moving scenes (raining scene for example). Even scenes that I usually watch regularly is starting to experience slowdowns.
Is there something wrong with it, or there's something wrong with my PC/PSU and needs a fix/upgrade?
Specs:
Intel Core Duo 2.95GHz
Windows 7 32 bit
3Gb of RAM
Nvidia GeForce 9500GT
Tried:
-Increasing My Virtual Memory
-Clearing up my HDD
-Uninstalling programs and closing some processes.
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Aai
FAKKU Ass Master
Well you can try enabling h264(DXVA) in Options>Internal filters, which should put some of the load on your gpu.
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Kaimax
Best Master-San
Sorry Aai, didn't gave any significant results.
I decided to uninstall it, and then reinstalled again with CCCP 2011-11-11, and it was "lighter". I don't know what I did with my older one, but at lest now it's only eating 70-80%.
Now I'm encountering a different problem though, I'm experiencing some sound loss when viewing.
I decided to uninstall it, and then reinstalled again with CCCP 2011-11-11, and it was "lighter". I don't know what I did with my older one, but at lest now it's only eating 70-80%.
Now I'm encountering a different problem though, I'm experiencing some sound loss when viewing.
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Kadushy
Douchebag
You should go to options and set your settings (output) to "system default" assuming you haven't done so already. I can get 720p playback with my Dell mini 10 netbook clocked at 1.6GHz 1GB Ram just fine with no lags.. and with help from CoreAVC and it takes up about 80â„… of the CPU.
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(I started writing this like one hour ago...)
Is this an issue with all video files (including the ones that used to play at sub-100% CPU usage before) or just new ones? If it's a problem with specific files, open a problematic one with MPC-HC, hit Shift+F10 and post everything in the MediaInfo tab here. And do the same with a working one. I'll just assume Hi10P is the culprit, in which case you might (read: most likely) need a better computer.
Also, as Aai said, you could try enabling the internal DXVA H.264 filter, not sure if it'll change anything if you're using a codec pack (CCCP, K-Lite, etc.). I stuck the latest version of CCCP (w/ LAV for H.264) and it works flawlessly, although I really can't complain with 4 Sandy Bridge cores at 3.7 GHz.
Figures...
Could you be more specific?
I'll just say that different formats need different amounts of processing power, "720p" only vaguely defines the resolution (ex. 1920x816 is regularly labeled as 1080p) and progressive vs. interlaced scan. I'll just use my TV as an example - nominally, it should be able to play back 25Mbps 1080p@30 H.264 video, yet when I did some testing with 6Mbps 640x480@60, it stuttered like crazy (5Mbps worked fine), even though I get less CPU usage with that than the average 10+Mbps 1080p movie. So I guess it doesn't like high-bitrate low-res high-FPS video, for some reason.
Is this an issue with all video files (including the ones that used to play at sub-100% CPU usage before) or just new ones? If it's a problem with specific files, open a problematic one with MPC-HC, hit Shift+F10 and post everything in the MediaInfo tab here. And do the same with a working one. I'll just assume Hi10P is the culprit, in which case you might (read: most likely) need a better computer.
Also, as Aai said, you could try enabling the internal DXVA H.264 filter, not sure if it'll change anything if you're using a codec pack (CCCP, K-Lite, etc.). I stuck the latest version of CCCP (w/ LAV for H.264) and it works flawlessly, although I really can't complain with 4 Sandy Bridge cores at 3.7 GHz.
Kaimax wrote...
Sorry Aai, didn't gave any significant results.Figures...
Kaimax wrote...
Now I'm encountering a different problem though, I'm experiencing some sound loss when viewing.Could you be more specific?
Kadushy wrote...
I can get 720p playback with my Dell mini 10 netbook clocked at 1.6GHz 1GB Ram just fine with no lags..I'll just say that different formats need different amounts of processing power, "720p" only vaguely defines the resolution (ex. 1920x816 is regularly labeled as 1080p) and progressive vs. interlaced scan. I'll just use my TV as an example - nominally, it should be able to play back 25Mbps 1080p@30 H.264 video, yet when I did some testing with 6Mbps 640x480@60, it stuttered like crazy (5Mbps worked fine), even though I get less CPU usage with that than the average 10+Mbps 1080p movie. So I guess it doesn't like high-bitrate low-res high-FPS video, for some reason.
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Kaimax
Best Master-San
@intelus
-It's a recent issue, and not by the files that downloaded, as I said, it never happened to me before yesterday.
The sound loss that I meant was the sound of segments of the episode was just "gone" in the middle of viewing.
Oh yeah, haven't mentioned this: the core problem isn't solved. My PC still turns off by itself., even though the process being used is less than before I reinstalled CCCP.
It turns off like it suddenly don't have any power at all. So I guess it's a PSU issue?
Is there any correlation between heavy processing and the PSU anyway?
-It's a recent issue, and not by the files that downloaded, as I said, it never happened to me before yesterday.
The sound loss that I meant was the sound of segments of the episode was just "gone" in the middle of viewing.
Oh yeah, haven't mentioned this: the core problem isn't solved. My PC still turns off by itself., even though the process being used is less than before I reinstalled CCCP.
It turns off like it suddenly don't have any power at all. So I guess it's a PSU issue?
Is there any correlation between heavy processing and the PSU anyway?
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Most likely, the problem appears to be throttling due to heat. Your cpu is automatically lowering its voltage and multiplier in an attempt to reduce its heat output. However, heavy moving scenes require more decoding firepower per frame transistion, and will break through your temperature shutdown limit. Assuming you didn't build the computer or ordered a custom built:
- Obtain a vacuum machine along with the smallest tip you can find
- Open your computer case
- Locate the intel cooler. It might be hidden under a vent but should look like this:Spoiler:
- Power up the vacuum
- Hold the fan blades with one hand and with the other hand, jam the vacuum tip under each blade so they suck up all the dust on the heatsink.
- Heat sink should be shiny now.Spoiler:
- Close up everything and reboot computer.
Spoiler:
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^AFAIK, the most common BIOS setting is to scream its silicon out before shutting down, but I guess it's possible that that's turned off. You could monitor the temperature using some software, compare it to the BIOS shutdown value (it could be anywhere from comically low to insanely high).
Also, the PSU could be old and not have the capacity to output the needed power. Not sure how to test for that, unless you have an extra PSU lying around. I'm not much of a hardware person, I carefully choose the components when buying a new computer, but then I expect it to work (though I do clean it regularly).
Not sure what to do about the sound issue, either. =/
Also, the PSU could be old and not have the capacity to output the needed power. Not sure how to test for that, unless you have an extra PSU lying around. I'm not much of a hardware person, I carefully choose the components when buying a new computer, but then I expect it to work (though I do clean it regularly).
Not sure what to do about the sound issue, either. =/
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Kaimax
Best Master-San
sciwhiz wrote...
Spoiler:
Man, I just cleaned it a month a go (used a blower though), maybe it got to a worse place ? I don't know. lol
Thanks for the help guys.
-The sound goes missing when the processing reaches 100% though.
-well, The PSU itself it still 1-2 years old? I guess.
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You should install some kind of monitoring software and watch your temps and voltages if you don't already have one. There are a lot out there but I like speed fan and pc probe(since I use an ASUS MOBO) and I can't remember any of the other ones. Just watch the temps/ voltage, if you are hitting 100c on the cpu that might be why its shutting down. The gpu and psu might also be over heating as well.
On a side note about cleaning, you would be surprised how often you may need to clean. I have two cats and they cause me to clean almost every other week, though I skip a lot because I have a good cooler.
On a side note about cleaning, you would be surprised how often you may need to clean. I have two cats and they cause me to clean almost every other week, though I skip a lot because I have a good cooler.
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Try this Kaimax.
Give LAV filters a try to see if it works better as it has significant speed improvements over other filters. Make sure your mpc-hc is the latest version as well. Also use xy-vsfilter as it fixes most choppy subtitles like karaoke effects. xy-vsfilter has also been optimized to barely use any resources while retaining quality. A lot of people use this same setup with good results. Here's links to all. Use the 32-bit installers.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=156191
http://mpc-hc.sourceforge.net/downloads/
http://code.google.com/p/xy-vsfilter/wiki/Downloads?tm=2
Make sure in mpc under external filters that lav splitter, audio, video, and directvobsub (auto loading) are all set to prefer. Also disable all of the internal filters. In Options -> Playback make sure auto-load subtitles is disabled so xy-vsfilter is used instead.
When a file is playing you can right-click on the video and choose filters to see what filters are currently active. click on one and you can configure it more. In Lav Video try dxva2 copy-back at the top-right of its configuration and that should help a lot. If the vids are 10-bit it will just use software as there are no hardware 10-bit decoders yet. If its a 10-bit video and playing slow that just means your processor is slow so try a version that is a lower resolution/bitrate or get a new processor.
If it is still slow make sure you aren't using any shaders (right-click video - shaders). Try restarting your comp if you haven't in a while and make sure nothing in the background is doing anything funny.
Your PC randomly turning off is still a problem (most likely overheating). However the previous instructions should use much less processing power when playing videos and help out a lot. Make sure all the fans are working and try moving it to an area with better air flow. If it is under your desk try putting it on top of your desk. You can get cans of compressed air and dust out the PSU/CPU/GPU/All fans with it. One can will last multiple cleanings. You can use CPUID's HWMonitor application to monitor all of your system temperatures. Try playing a video that is known to cause your pc to restart and watch the temps to pinpoint the culprit.
Another thing you can do is make sure your drivers are all updated. Get the latest Nvidia drivers, go to Intel's automatic driver web page, and check the motherboard's web page for driver and firmware updates.
Give LAV filters a try to see if it works better as it has significant speed improvements over other filters. Make sure your mpc-hc is the latest version as well. Also use xy-vsfilter as it fixes most choppy subtitles like karaoke effects. xy-vsfilter has also been optimized to barely use any resources while retaining quality. A lot of people use this same setup with good results. Here's links to all. Use the 32-bit installers.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=156191
http://mpc-hc.sourceforge.net/downloads/
http://code.google.com/p/xy-vsfilter/wiki/Downloads?tm=2
Make sure in mpc under external filters that lav splitter, audio, video, and directvobsub (auto loading) are all set to prefer. Also disable all of the internal filters. In Options -> Playback make sure auto-load subtitles is disabled so xy-vsfilter is used instead.
When a file is playing you can right-click on the video and choose filters to see what filters are currently active. click on one and you can configure it more. In Lav Video try dxva2 copy-back at the top-right of its configuration and that should help a lot. If the vids are 10-bit it will just use software as there are no hardware 10-bit decoders yet. If its a 10-bit video and playing slow that just means your processor is slow so try a version that is a lower resolution/bitrate or get a new processor.
If it is still slow make sure you aren't using any shaders (right-click video - shaders). Try restarting your comp if you haven't in a while and make sure nothing in the background is doing anything funny.
Your PC randomly turning off is still a problem (most likely overheating). However the previous instructions should use much less processing power when playing videos and help out a lot. Make sure all the fans are working and try moving it to an area with better air flow. If it is under your desk try putting it on top of your desk. You can get cans of compressed air and dust out the PSU/CPU/GPU/All fans with it. One can will last multiple cleanings. You can use CPUID's HWMonitor application to monitor all of your system temperatures. Try playing a video that is known to cause your pc to restart and watch the temps to pinpoint the culprit.
Another thing you can do is make sure your drivers are all updated. Get the latest Nvidia drivers, go to Intel's automatic driver web page, and check the motherboard's web page for driver and firmware updates.
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doomsayer wrote...
Just watch the temps/ voltage, if you are hitting 100c on the cpu that might be why its shutting down.100°C is waaay too high for the average CPU, most are fried by 90°C. Generally, if it's going over 65°C, you might have a problem (BIOS usually scrams somewhere between 70 and 80°C). Some are rated up to 60°C only (according to OEM specs). You should look up the max temp. for your CPU, check the BIOS settings (obviously, if the value is above that threshold, you should lower it - and there's no reason it should shut down at 65°C if it can handle 80°C, so tweak that) and monitor the temperatures. Better safe than sorry.
Also, I think CCCP uses LAV for H.264 by default. Still, Nachbar's advice is sound, you could try manually installing a more recent version.
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Sindalf
Used to do stuff
Intelus wrote...
Also, I think CCCP uses LAV for H.264 by default.No but they are an option in the settings. New version of cccp should be out sometime soonish and as far as I know will include both vsfilter-xy and LAV filters for default use.
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some tings you can try
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do an hardisk cleaning (mircosoft has one build in)
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clean the pc as mentioned before + buy some fan filters of the size of you coolers (80-120mm)(dust problem)
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check the bios for problems if it is see nr7
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run a program that slows down processes that you dont need: like the automatic virus-scan (if you have lots of viruses dont do this)
5
buy a better cooler of 20-30$/€
you have good ones for this price
inportant: buy one that matches your prosessor
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if you have a custom build pc: try migrating your os to an 128gb ssd (you have ones of 100$/€ [they arent the fasted but still fast])
by an pc from a fabricator you can't chance this so easily
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fix the bios by giving more power to the fan (overclocking, not much but still a bit faster)
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try to contact the fabricator of your pc (custom-build ones: try the microsoft helpdesk)
1
do an hardisk cleaning (mircosoft has one build in)
2
clean the pc as mentioned before + buy some fan filters of the size of you coolers (80-120mm)(dust problem)
3
check the bios for problems if it is see nr7
4
run a program that slows down processes that you dont need: like the automatic virus-scan (if you have lots of viruses dont do this)
5
buy a better cooler of 20-30$/€
you have good ones for this price
inportant: buy one that matches your prosessor
6
if you have a custom build pc: try migrating your os to an 128gb ssd (you have ones of 100$/€ [they arent the fasted but still fast])
by an pc from a fabricator you can't chance this so easily
7
fix the bios by giving more power to the fan (overclocking, not much but still a bit faster)
8
try to contact the fabricator of your pc (custom-build ones: try the microsoft helpdesk)
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Intelus wrote...
doomsayer wrote...
Just watch the temps/ voltage, if you are hitting 100c on the cpu that might be why its shutting down.100°C is waaay too high for the average CPU, most are fried by 90°C.
Not entirely accurate, whether or not a CPU malfunctions due to high temperatures depends on the length of time it spends operating over it's proposed temperature limit. A CPU can operate at temperatures exceeding 100°C and not malfunction as long as it's only for a minute or so.

