political veiws/ voting for the first time.

first off. no one get into any debates here, im just asking for some information. also, sense we got a lil bit of everyone here [country wise] it be nice to get a outsiders opinion to.

sence I didint turn 18 in time for the last election the midterms coming up will be my first time voting in my life, so I wanted some help with the differences between demarcates and republicans, im gonna be doing a lot of googling and wiki, but I wanted your guises advice to.


also, the understanding ive gotten so far. so you can see were i stand.

ive been hereing a lot of people discrediting obama and whatnot for little things, and it kinda urks me. he inherited a badly damaged office. and from what i get of it we were just bout to fall off a cliff when he yanked us back. sure the bail outs arent fun and theres a lot of spending going on, but if were so damn pamped as a nation we can roll up our sleaves for a few years and get to the nitty gritty we deserve to colapse. hes done the best that he can with what hes had. a hell of a lot better then that ass busch could have done. i meanc ome on. how much can you ask for? i certianly dont expect a magic fix to all our problems and thats what it seems like what a lot of people are asking for, to me that just seems naive. in a lot of ways a depreshin might do us some good i think. because if you think back that great stock market colapse was what forged this country, when we weeded out the weak from the strong, and while that may sound bad i belive we need it. this country has lost its fire, its thunder, its mojo, its like we castraied ourselfs. were so busy treing to make everyone else happy we get screwed over. example one, when i was conversing with my dad, at school one day there [he works maitiance at mine] we over heard on of those middle eastern people complaining about being discriminated against because he couldint go pray, i had to hold my dad back from screaming at him, i dont fucking care if you dont get to pray you fucking nigger, me and my dad had it rough enouge growing up, him a lot worse then me. hes native and while he was 12, 12 for god sake some 20 year old guy tried to beat him because of it, for just being native american. he grew up with that all his life so he knows what it means to be discriminated against. you CANNOT say that just because you cant get out for a bit and go mumble into the air that your being discrimnated. and yet, we have laws. federal laws for christ sake that say they can. i mean come on. i know this is "the land of the free" but we dont need to chain ourselfs to the rail road to make everyone 100% happy. cuase its just not going to happen. and while i agree we do have to compramise we dont have to go to this extent either.

so what im trying to say is. we need a wake up call. theres gonna be a day sometime soon when we get it and not everyones gonna like it. i just wana be on the side thats trying to prepair for it, or do what they can to help lessen the shock.

Edit:

I just now realized you live in the USA. If so, vote Sarah Palin as far as she is still a candidate somewhere. Because in contrast to Obama, she has got nice boobs and looooooves guns.

Ah, I see we have ourselves a fine budding republican. Based on that shit you wrote, I wish you weren't even allowed to vote.
That was a rhyme - 10 points for Gryffindor!

-.-................. I should point out
I dont have sawdust im my head..... im not going to vote for someone who cant even answer a single question without dodgeing it ten times.

edit, lol really?? sorry if i offended its just the way i see things. wich is strange i guess when i wana vote for obamma... and again sorry, its just the way i see things. and it seems to make a lot of sense to me.

second edit, after doing a bit of reading an talking to the old man im leaning mroe twards democrat its been republicans that have made this country favour the rich, that top one percent. wich frankly pisses me off. why should the rest of us have to suffer so some jackass can have more money then he could possibly ever spend??

I'm not offended, more like disgusted.

What you basically said is that we need for people to suffer. That we need higher unemployment, a weaker currency, a greater amount of people not being able to pay their bills. All to bring back this "mojo" you think america should have? Ha.

And what's this "weed out the weak from the strong" bullshit. Sounds like something along the lines of what a social darwinist would say (lest you misconstrue my words, I didn't call you a social darwinist). It's equally repugnant.

eh i know it does sound disgusting, i agree with you but there are some things that are nesisary, and im not talking about anything extream, i gueass i got in a mild rage and made it sound that way, what i mean i supose is people need to EARN what they get, it should be handed out like the sunday paper. yes there should be some assitances but we should let people who are perfectly healthy, physicly and mentaly be allowed to live life as a leech off of socail security or something. its just not right. if the rest of us have to work why shouldint they? i mean i understand a handicap physical or mental but you should be given a complete freebie. thats the kinda thing that seems qutie a bit off to me


edit ehhh?? howed i get back down to 500 posts, i thought i was at 560 ish or something

Yeah, why can't the millions with a poor education and no prospects just go and get a job in the recession, why do they have to leech off of the state? They can practically buy a yacht with those payments, eh. Or lots of crack. It's their fault if they didn't study to get a job, they're reaping the consequences. Fuck 'em.

Why should everyone be afforded the right to pray when and where they need to? If you don't like it, leave, eh? My grandfather fled from the Nazis. They don't know real persecution, they're just exploiting America's goodwill. Fuck 'em.

Hell, why should I have to pay to support these people? I have healthcare because I bought it. I have insurance because I bought it. I have the money because I earned it. They haven't earned anything. They have no drive to succeed, and the authorities are too soft on them. Survival of the fittest. Fuck 'em.

^^^ Someone who gets the point of voting.

OP please for the love of god capitalise and paragraph your words it helps with legibility.
I digress. People have been giving Obama too much shit as of late, do you really expect things to magically happen in two years?
I've noticed this happen too many times in politics people vote a candidate in thinking he's a Messiah of some sort. Only to hate on him a year later because he didn't make water into wine, or magically solve the world's issues.
Though I do think the whole bailout situation was a complete and utter debacle, the government was basically giving out free money to corporations; no strings attached *COUGH*Looking at you GM*COUGH*.
I reckon the American people should have more faith in their leader and give him a fair go at least let him finish a 4 year term to see what he's able to accomplish.

Spending money won't pull the country out of recession it'll only re-inflate another bubble and this time when it pops, there won't be a safety net to land on.
Sadly this financial crash was predicted and people made fun of the poor guys who predicted it.

if it wasint obvious i wasint talking about everyone under welfare, im talking about the people who get way mroe then they need, and dont use it on what they need. its wrong. there should be spending records, or investigators of some sort. so if you know that if they abuse it.

im not saying they cant pray, im saying dont be a bitch about missing it. dont go throw a fit so big you make the government make a law JUST FOR YOU. so you can have your 15 minutes, and if your seen outside smoking a cigarette, like ive seen em do before during this break, your privilege is revoked. i dont care how important your religion may be you dont need to throw that big a fit over it, if thats thee most important thing in your life, higher then your life itself, that sounds like a psychiatric problem to me.

again im not saying people who absolute CANT afford it shouldn't get it. there should be more investigators so we aren't just giving it away. if they can afford it and still be able to have life liberty and the pursuit of happiness then hurray for them, it wont kill there ability to do what they want and get what they want but at there same time there paying for a portion of it. its ridiculous, its like were telling people they can come here and not do a thing well pay for it all who cares if you get addicted to drugs we will pay for your rehab, your food, your housing, your medical care, everything, who cares if the country cant afford it lets do it.

thats what i see this as.

Funny thing... i just voted.

You have to read up on the laws and people in the election. Don't listen to the ads on tv because there all false and pay by people wanting a piece of that candidate.
Not vote for party unless their you choose because of their politics... im a independent because both party suck and i vote for people i think is best for the job. i vote mostly Democrat this time because each in my mind was better than the other but i voted for some republicans and third party too.

voting is the only real freedom we have in this country... vote for who you want to.

this rant was pay for by the californian moderate party

yup thats what i plan on doing i just kidna wanted to know the *realistic* pros and cons of each party

This is all the rage over here at the moment. The government is trying to suggest that they will make massive gains in reviewing benefits and removing people who don't need it. The reality is that there is no 'cheating the system' to get exorbitant amounts of money; lying is easily uncovered and the most you'll ever get is still barely enough to live on. Though there are people who dwell in the dank depths of the so-called 'benefit trap', no-one really wants to stay there, and more often than not it is Job Centre inactivity or a lack of skills which hinders them. I see it as much the same in the US.



Prayer shouldn't have to be a privilege. And what do you do to everyone else who smokes outside? Indeed, why is that even relevant? Calling 'religious obsession' a psychiatric problem is a little odd in context seeing as any religion, very much including Christianity, has its hard-liners and fanatics whose life it dominates...they just don't all demand regular prayer.



So you would have it that people who get addicted to drugs would just be left to die? That people who can barely afford things like healthcare, or housing, or food, shouldn't be subsidised by the rich because they don't deserve it? It is truly fantastical how the 'middle classes' will not pay extra taxes to fund healthcare despite the fact that everyone else would also contribute, and that this would be a system by which they could also benefit for a fraction of the current cost. Even speaking outside of taxation, it is said that US debt is approaching 90% of GDP, meaning that the accumulated money which America needs to pay off is approaching 90% of what it makes in a year. That evidently isn't good, but they aren't exactly paying that all off in one go. There is still plenty of money for far less vital investments than welfare...defence spending higher than the next 18 countries combined, anyone?

Don't vote based one commercials and other forms of media. Commercials can be brutal with telling either outright lies or half truths to make it sound terrible when speaking against each other. The point is to listen very closely to what a candidate says, and if it sounds too good to be true, go research it.

Research research research is your best key. Look at all the candidates, whether they're republican, libertarian, democrat, etc and look at what they want to do.

Don't take what you get from the television, do a lot of research on individual people from reputable sources.

-edit- I didn't read much of your opinion at all, as you said you didn't want to debate. But hopefully that does help you on how to vote.

And this is why I hate politics. You have both sides pointing the fingers at one another saying their wrong, when they should be solving issues. Especially in the USA when all you have is either Republican or Democratic, it's either white or black. Choose your color it doesn't matter.

Talk is cheap, solving problems isn't ;D

Politics is not about solving problems, but about making a career without working. Republican or Democrat - it hardly matters (although i like the Republicans more, since they would open the market more to European exports which would make Europe wealthier, lol).