technology is taking over
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that's right technology is taking over. AI will soon be SO smart it'll just kill us all. it starts small... right now technology is taking over so many jobs. i park at a garage where there used to be an attendant when you leave, now it's just a stupid emotionless machine.
i never use them self checkout at the supermarket because eventually the large companies are going to get greedy and get rid of all the cashiers altogether. yes it's true, those aren't jobs that many people don't give a shit about, but there's more non-rich people than there are wealthy.
it's amazing how one little machine took over an entire industry.. i'm talking about the amazon kindle. books stores are closing left and right. cars that park themselves... people are gonna get SO used to the convience of technology that they are gonna forget something as simple as parallel parking. cell phones are great but what happens when you lose your precious little iphone. you'll go nuts and be disoriented cuz you ain't got GPS or contacts. maybe i'm streching it but all i know is that technology is a double-edge sword. does anyone agree?
i never use them self checkout at the supermarket because eventually the large companies are going to get greedy and get rid of all the cashiers altogether. yes it's true, those aren't jobs that many people don't give a shit about, but there's more non-rich people than there are wealthy.
it's amazing how one little machine took over an entire industry.. i'm talking about the amazon kindle. books stores are closing left and right. cars that park themselves... people are gonna get SO used to the convience of technology that they are gonna forget something as simple as parallel parking. cell phones are great but what happens when you lose your precious little iphone. you'll go nuts and be disoriented cuz you ain't got GPS or contacts. maybe i'm streching it but all i know is that technology is a double-edge sword. does anyone agree?
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One more thing that stuns me the most is the Miku 3D concert.
Personally, I don't that kind of music, but hell, that was some technology. I can imagine playing yugioh with that kind of techno now.
Personally, I don't that kind of music, but hell, that was some technology. I can imagine playing yugioh with that kind of techno now.
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To be honest I think our knowledge of technology is still too inferior to accurately predict the an AI's capability of free thought and how it will use it. A lot of the panic about technology seems to be in the relatively recent (or at least recent considering the history of the human race) breakthroughs in electrical technology in a world so used to the way things were before. Times are changing faster than ever now, and we're just here for the ride. As long as there is there is some sort of benefit in the advancement of technology (in our case, usually and economic benefit), then it will cease to stop. I'm also skeptical of an AI destroying us for the same reason i stated earlier. I bet you if science fiction never brought up the possible issue, a lot less people would really give a damn about it (though this in itself is not necessarily a good thing). I do believe that the continued augmentation of technology in the military will lead to heavy blowback in the long term, we already see that with nuclear weapons. As we depend more on technology, we will suffer more from the loss of it, however. This is inevitable and extends to much more than just technology though. Just like you would go nuts losing you phone, you could also go nuts losing your briefcase. Both can carry important data, both make life easier in some way.
Just my two cents...
Just my two cents...
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zeroniv_legend wrote...
One more thing that stuns me the most is the Miku 3D concert.It wasn't 3D. It was just a projection on a glass panel.
(Not implying it wasn't cool though)
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ImperialX wrote...
It wasn't 3D. It was just a projection on a glass panel.(Not implying it wasn't cool though)
Is that so? Damn, I was fooled. I retract all of my words then.
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Dfan305 wrote...
based on how most people have answered makes me glad i didn't post this shit in SD lolPerhaps you should try your luck on /b/?
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Flaser
OCD Hentai Collector
I think a big distinction need to be made:
Technology is not taking over our life, it's taking *away* our job. (Except for the quislings like me who work in computing/IT). As soon as machine vision is perfected another range of jobs will disappear, disenfranchising another mass of people (in service) who were already dislocated (when technology made them obsolete in manufacturing).
More can be read here:
http://marshallbrain.com/robotic-nation.htm
While our gadgets may seem "all important" now, in the end it's not like people are incapable of using an old fashioned map. Sure it changes your day to day habits, but so far it hasn't *deprived* you of your skills or livelihood... however when you have to compete with a machine for a job, you'll almost always loose. That (and our unwillingness to realize what this will do to the job market) is what makes unchecked technological progress dangerous.
It's not the tech what evil... in fact it should liberate us, freeing us from the mindless toil of work! If not "post-scarcity", then at least a world of "affordability" should be around the corner... but only if we're willing to change our social and governmental institutions.
Technology is not taking over our life, it's taking *away* our job. (Except for the quislings like me who work in computing/IT). As soon as machine vision is perfected another range of jobs will disappear, disenfranchising another mass of people (in service) who were already dislocated (when technology made them obsolete in manufacturing).
More can be read here:
http://marshallbrain.com/robotic-nation.htm
There will be huge job losses by 2040 or 2050 as robots move into the workplace. For example:
*Nearly every construction job will go to a robot. That's about 6 million jobs lost.
*Nearly every manufacturing job will go to a robot. That's 16 million jobs lost.
*Nearly every transportation job will go to a robot. That's 3 million jobs lost.
*Many wholesale and retail jobs will go to robots. That's at least 15 million lost jobs.
*Nearly every hotel and restaurant job will go to a robot. That's 10 million jobs lost.
*Nearly every construction job will go to a robot. That's about 6 million jobs lost.
*Nearly every manufacturing job will go to a robot. That's 16 million jobs lost.
*Nearly every transportation job will go to a robot. That's 3 million jobs lost.
*Many wholesale and retail jobs will go to robots. That's at least 15 million lost jobs.
*Nearly every hotel and restaurant job will go to a robot. That's 10 million jobs lost.
While our gadgets may seem "all important" now, in the end it's not like people are incapable of using an old fashioned map. Sure it changes your day to day habits, but so far it hasn't *deprived* you of your skills or livelihood... however when you have to compete with a machine for a job, you'll almost always loose. That (and our unwillingness to realize what this will do to the job market) is what makes unchecked technological progress dangerous.
It's not the tech what evil... in fact it should liberate us, freeing us from the mindless toil of work! If not "post-scarcity", then at least a world of "affordability" should be around the corner... but only if we're willing to change our social and governmental institutions.
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to be fair if those robot tech become the norm, there will be lot new job too, like the technician for maintenance and programmer, well mostly IT field, but even so the old job will still have "some" role in supporting those programmer, ex: they can't program the robot too cook if they don't know the right procedure for each dish, same deal for all of other job.
but as fellow programer I don't see that we will be able to develop human like AI like in those sci fi movies, maybe not in 50 years, it's already took so much considerable amount of effort just to make image recognizing program for car's plates numbers.
but as fellow programer I don't see that we will be able to develop human like AI like in those sci fi movies, maybe not in 50 years, it's already took so much considerable amount of effort just to make image recognizing program for car's plates numbers.
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Honestly the most advanced items I own are either my Samsung Galaxy S or my PS3. I'm quite into retro hardware so I don't feel threatened by technology advancing. I'll probably never upgrade my PC unless something breaks and my consoles of choice are the PlayStation (1) and Sega Saturn.
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Well the world leaders and industries are getting greedy just like you said and more employees means more spending money...
sure technology saves us alot of time and effort but I wouldn't want technology to take over all of my chores since we need that workout....
For example the wacom tablets are sure nice.... saves us alot of pencils and paper and colors and better for the world.. saves the nature from being cut down...
Technology should only be used for the hard jobs...
but it can also malfunction and humans dont....
humans are perfect and have almost no boundaries.. and gadgets do :)
sure technology saves us alot of time and effort but I wouldn't want technology to take over all of my chores since we need that workout....
For example the wacom tablets are sure nice.... saves us alot of pencils and paper and colors and better for the world.. saves the nature from being cut down...
Technology should only be used for the hard jobs...
but it can also malfunction and humans dont....
humans are perfect and have almost no boundaries.. and gadgets do :)
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Flaser
OCD Hentai Collector
Domonkazu wrote...
to be fair if those robot tech become the norm, there will be lot new job too, like the technician for maintenance and programmer, well mostly IT field, but even so the old job will still have "some" role in supporting those programmer, ex: they can't program the robot too cook if they don't know the right procedure for each dish, same deal for all of other job.but as fellow programer I don't see that we will be able to develop human like AI like in those sci fi movies, maybe not in 50 years, it's already took so much considerable amount of effort just to make image recognizing program for car's plates numbers.
I'm sorry, but experience has shown that your presumption is incorrect. It takes innovation to come up with more job... and why can't robots fulfill those roles as well?
I (..and Marshal) were not talking about sentient or "true" AI. In fact for the first range of jobs (service) to be over taken all you'd need is machine vision. A far cry from sci-fi robots. In fact you already have expert systems doing trade on the stock market, the "robots" have already overtaken institutions of great importance to national security.
http://marshallbrain.com wrote...
Why won't all the new companies that are making these robots create millions of new jobs in 2015? Why won't these new jobs absorb all of the unemployed pilots and service-sector employees? Think about it:Will these millions of new robots create manufacturing jobs? Not in the United States. Robots will be assembling robots. Even if you assume that some people will be involved in assembling them, all of the assembly will take place in places like China, Mexico, Indonesia, Korea, etc. where manufacturing costs are far lower than they are in the U.S.
Will these millions of new robots create programming and engineering jobs? Not in the United States. U.S. corporations are in the process of moving the bulk of all programming and engineering jobs to places like India, Russia, China, etc. where the programmers and engineers cost a tenth as much as they do in the U.S.
Will the millions of new robots create jobs in sales? Not in the United States. Corporations ordering new robots will purchase their robots over the Web without any human intervention, in the same way that you can order a Segway from Amazon today.
Will these millions of new robots create repair and servicing jobs? Not in the United States. When a robot needs repair, another robot will bundle it onto a pallet. A robotic forklift will place the pallet on a truck. The truck will drive to a repair facility. The facility will repair the robot with highly automated systems that require no human intervention or supervision. Human beings will not be repairing robots -- robots will.
...the only part one could argue with is the last one, but given where tech is headed (recall the last time you "repaired" a computer? ...and it was not user related? ...and you didn't just do a reinstall... that an expert system could do?) it's not a far stretch.
With machine vision we could have all the things he lists... and in fact even without machine vision we will likely soon have robotic transportation systems using high precision (cm-precision) GPS.
http://marshallbrain.com wrote...
More likely, the economy will not be able to absorb all of these displaced workers. The economy has been creating millions and millions of low-paying, no-benefits, service-sector jobs for the last 40 years. These jobs are perfect for robotic replacement. There is no reason to expect that the economy will suddenly figure out a way to create high-paying, exciting, fulfilling jobs for these tens of millions of people displaced by robots. If the economy could do that, it would be doing it now.
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yo i ain't hating on tech.. i fucking love my fancy gizmos. all of you make good points and now i see it a bit different... however i still think a lot of people are getting overly used to the convinience of fancy shit and forget how to keep it real. job loss is inevitable i guess..
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Flaser
OCD Hentai Collector
Dfan305 wrote...
yo i ain't hating on tech.. i fucking love my fancy gizmos. all of you make good points and now i see it a bit different... however i still think a lot of people are getting overly used to the convinience of fancy shit and forget how to keep it real. job loss is inevitable i guess..The most infuriating thing (for me), is that it's no fault of their own. They've been raised with the belief that if you got a job and worked hard you'll be duly rewarded. (The American dream) Then Reagenism pulled the rug out under them. So instead they had to "study", "get a good degree" and so on... except even as they are doing exactly that, the very things they study become worthless.
No one is warning them. There's no social security net for these people as in America your worth is intrinsically tied to market demand for your skills. You'd like to get another degree? Tough luck pal...
...especially since student loans are already creating a willing serf class.
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I don't even know what the world would be like with out technology but it is taking jobs away from people which sucks.
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The biggest issues are indeed job losses and people becoming non self sufficient without tech. The jobs issue is the biggest, what it truly means is that most people will be obsolete and those in power already want us out of the picture one way or another, because most simply aren't necessary anymore, and in fact are detriments to society as a whole. The only people that survive in this 'Brave New World' are those that maintain or develop the technology that does all the real work, and quality control personnel.
For example, currently over fifty million people just in America, one of the richest nations, are in digital food lines, getting government assistance to live, because the jobs/people ratio is so skewed. That's the only reason the number is so high.
Is there a solution to this problem? Not really, no.
For example, currently over fifty million people just in America, one of the richest nations, are in digital food lines, getting government assistance to live, because the jobs/people ratio is so skewed. That's the only reason the number is so high.
Is there a solution to this problem? Not really, no.
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I think its a problem with the current capitalist system. I used to be capitalist myself but a few years ago, I beheld the way they all leach off the rest of society. Corporations lack morals and self restraint. You think they are governed by people, but it does not appear so, just like a dictator headed government itself corporations eventually become tyrannical and greedy. They often do not seek to put money in the pockets of their workers. they seek to make themselves larger and more powerful, so much so that corporations have started to make a much much much larger impact on politics then the people them self. This is NOT democracy my friends. Its not the creations that are making this happen its the greedy corporations.
Note that this is not always true and their are a lot of good corporations as well, a big difference being if the founder of the corporation is still the CEO. (i once read a quote from an old book of politics and government, that said something like "The first man at the helm will be a good one" and went on to say "but after that you don't know"
Their is much much more i could and want to rant about but i am not good at writing and i need to go soon.
Note that this is not always true and their are a lot of good corporations as well, a big difference being if the founder of the corporation is still the CEO. (i once read a quote from an old book of politics and government, that said something like "The first man at the helm will be a good one" and went on to say "but after that you don't know"
Their is much much more i could and want to rant about but i am not good at writing and i need to go soon.
