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Why do people take Donold Trump's campaign seriously?
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CronaBaka
Mellow Yellow
Why would people support this kind of person who is running for the United States Presidency?
I still don't know how to explain it.
I still don't know how to explain it.
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Because sometimes, enough is enough. People are sick and tired of being taken advantage of by others through big government and political correctness.
The fact that the government itself never seems to function properly and people who are elected into office of power tend to be hypocrites.
Weather you like him or not, or the things he has said, he has a reputation that appeals to a silent majority.
Unlike most politicians, Donald Trump is a business man and in real estate. His success is based off of being able to work with others, manage and form deals. He may not be a governor, but the fact that he is successful is enough to give him more credibility then a lot of other potential candidates running for office.
People claim he is racist, a bigot, or doesn't know what he is talking about, but the irony is they are the ones who understand the least about him. When people say hes racist, they take what he says about "illegals" and like to interpret it as if he is speaking for an entire race or culture.
What people don't understand is, America is a nation of laws. Anyone here illegally is breaking the law, it doesn't matter who the individual is. In past presidencies, including Clinton and Reagan, millions of illegals were deported but you ever wonder why the media never reported on it? Because they all came back...
We have a border, but our border security is lacking.
Second, with some of the "crazy" things he may say, people don't realize that he may not know everything, but part of being a president is to surround yourself with people that actually DO know everything. So in some ways, I suppose I can give some Leigh way as to some of his more ridiculous things like "shutting down the internet"
I'm sure if, hypothetically, he becomes president, he'd have competent people to keep him informed on the issues.
The worst thing that could happen to Donal Trump if he does become president, is to be a failure. Why? Because his very lifestyle and business would be at risk. I don't think a guy like Trump will take so kindly to failure, the fact that he has made a successful business shows proof of that.
I think that's where most of the appeal comes from him.
The fact that the government itself never seems to function properly and people who are elected into office of power tend to be hypocrites.
Weather you like him or not, or the things he has said, he has a reputation that appeals to a silent majority.
Unlike most politicians, Donald Trump is a business man and in real estate. His success is based off of being able to work with others, manage and form deals. He may not be a governor, but the fact that he is successful is enough to give him more credibility then a lot of other potential candidates running for office.
People claim he is racist, a bigot, or doesn't know what he is talking about, but the irony is they are the ones who understand the least about him. When people say hes racist, they take what he says about "illegals" and like to interpret it as if he is speaking for an entire race or culture.
What people don't understand is, America is a nation of laws. Anyone here illegally is breaking the law, it doesn't matter who the individual is. In past presidencies, including Clinton and Reagan, millions of illegals were deported but you ever wonder why the media never reported on it? Because they all came back...
We have a border, but our border security is lacking.
Second, with some of the "crazy" things he may say, people don't realize that he may not know everything, but part of being a president is to surround yourself with people that actually DO know everything. So in some ways, I suppose I can give some Leigh way as to some of his more ridiculous things like "shutting down the internet"
I'm sure if, hypothetically, he becomes president, he'd have competent people to keep him informed on the issues.
The worst thing that could happen to Donal Trump if he does become president, is to be a failure. Why? Because his very lifestyle and business would be at risk. I don't think a guy like Trump will take so kindly to failure, the fact that he has made a successful business shows proof of that.
I think that's where most of the appeal comes from him.
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A. A lot of the people who like him probably don't know half of what hes said.
B. A lot of people like him because he gets under the media's skin, which you can clearly see from the video you posted.
C. Polls don't mean much. They may currently show Trump way ahead but that will be much more believable 2 months into the primaries.
B. A lot of people like him because he gets under the media's skin, which you can clearly see from the video you posted.
C. Polls don't mean much. They may currently show Trump way ahead but that will be much more believable 2 months into the primaries.
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CronaBaka
Mellow Yellow
Bllazing wrote...
Weather you like him or not, or the things he has said, he has a reputation that appeals to a silent majority.I've seen the people he's trying to appeal to, and they sure as hell don't seem to be "silent". Or well educated. And I really, REALLY hope they don't represent the majority of Americans.
Bllazing wrote...
I'm sure if, hypothetically, he becomes president, he'd have competent people to keep him informed on the issues.Even if that were to happen, I highly doubt he'd listen to them.
But what really worries me the most is that the president is supposed to represent the American people. What would people in other countries think if the leader of the United States went around trolling people on Twitter? "Really? The Americans voted for this idiot?"
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xihiroix
Sun Worshipper
CronaBaka wrote...
Bllazing wrote...
Weather you like him or not, or the things he has said, he has a reputation that appeals to a silent majority.I've seen the people he's trying to appeal to, and they sure as hell don't seem to be "silent". Or well educated. And I really, REALLY hope they don't represent the majority of Americans.
Bllazing wrote...
I'm sure if, hypothetically, he becomes president, he'd have competent people to keep him informed on the issues.Even if that were to happen, I highly doubt he'd listen to them.
But what really worries me the most is that the president is supposed to represent the American people. What would people in other countries think if the leader of the United States went around trolling people on Twitter? "Really? The Americans voted for this idiot?"
You realize the rest of the world already does not have a very positive view of America, right? Having Donald Trump in office is no comparison to Bush, and no other world leader took Bush seriously.
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FinalBoss
#levelupyourgrind
He went bankrupt more than 3 times and he has his father to thank for even having a sucessful business. If Trump is President, he'll bankrupt America.
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xihiroix
Sun Worshipper
FinalBoss wrote...
He went bankrupt more than 3 times and he has his father to thank for even having a sucessful business. If Trump is President, he'll bankrupt America.Trump never filed for personal bankruptcy. He filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy for 4 of his casinos. The only reason misinformation like that spreads around is because he was vain enough to put his name on each business. He is, in fact, a very successful business owner. I will concede the fact that the cause of his filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy is partly his fault.
EDIT: I would also like to say that I am not a Trump defender. I do not plan on voting in the upcoming election.
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FinalBoss
#levelupyourgrind
xihiroix wrote...
FinalBoss wrote...
He went bankrupt more than 3 times and he has his father to thank for even having a sucessful business. If Trump is President, he'll bankrupt America.Trump never filed for personal bankruptcy. He filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy for 4 of his casinos. The only reason misinformation like that spreads around is because he was vain enough to put his name on each business. He is, in fact, a very successful business owner. I will concede the fact that the cause of his filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy is partly his fault.
EDIT: I would also like to say that I am not a Trump defender. I do not plan on voting in the upcoming election.
Okay, you're right, he hasn't filed for personal bankruptcy and chapter 11 is pretty mild compared to others. Still, I'll be pissed if he becomes president. Not just because of his personality, but because he's republican. If he was a democrat, I still wouldn't vote for him though. I swear, Trump is the eminem of politics. He sounds good to people, but if he was any other race, he wouldn't be liked as much. Same could be said about Obama when he first appeared, but now it seems to be the reverse.
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xihiroix
Sun Worshipper
Spoiler:
Honestly, there is no candidate that you can back for this upcoming election. At least if Trump becomes president, there will be fewer idiotic attempts made by the Republican party to shut down the government.
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FinalBoss wrote...
xihiroix wrote...
FinalBoss wrote...
He went bankrupt more than 3 times and he has his father to thank for even having a sucessful business. If Trump is President, he'll bankrupt America.Trump never filed for personal bankruptcy. He filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy for 4 of his casinos. The only reason misinformation like that spreads around is because he was vain enough to put his name on each business. He is, in fact, a very successful business owner. I will concede the fact that the cause of his filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy is partly his fault.
EDIT: I would also like to say that I am not a Trump defender. I do not plan on voting in the upcoming election.
Okay, you're right, he hasn't filed for personal bankruptcy and chapter 11 is pretty mild compared to others. Still, I'll be pissed if he becomes president. Not just because of his personality, but because he's republican. If he was a democrat, I still wouldn't vote for him though. I swear, Trump is the eminem of politics. He sounds good to people, but if he was any other race, he wouldn't be liked as much. Same could be said about Obama when he first appeared, but now it seems to be the reverse.
So you wouldn't vote for him if he was republican? Fair enough, but does that go for everyone in the republican party?
Sure, if you vote democrat your choice is either a socialist or a criminal. But when people say they "hate republicans" because they are only for the rich, pro-war, racist and anti-everything, they are usually people who are misinformed.
Would you believe that, majority of the United State's presidents were Republican or considered conservative? Abraham Lincoln, the founder of the Republican Party, freed the slaves and the north and south were divided because of it. The civil rights movement, Martin Luther king was a conservative and it was under a republican that black's were finally allowed equal rights.
Much of all the regulation, high taxes and stagnate economy is from leftist/liberal policies and ideology. Democrats tend to believe in classifying everyone into groups, while conservatives tend to believe in individual freedom and self responsibility. In the name of "progress" the changes that have been made have resulted in bigger government, less freedom and a culture of welfare in which people are "entitled" to free shit.
But I hate to break the news, but nothing is free. All that welfare/social programs has to come out of the pockets of people who are already working. And I know it may seem hard to believe, but there are a lot of people who are struggling enough as it is with out the government needing to stick their hands in their pockets.
What people don't seem to understand is, there was a time when "to be rich" was considered a standard in which everyone had the opportunity of achieving. Those same "rich" people that the democrats/liberals seem to love to tax so much, are the very ones that create jobs, hire people and effect the economy. When did working hard, innovating and growing a successful business become so taboo? It was under democrats that made people believe that "you didn't earn it, you had help! so you have to pay your fair share!" - yeah, as if my neighbor helped pay my way to college, or helped me by staying up late at night while spending endless hours working, using my ideas to create a successful business despite countless efforts of trial and error. How exactly does that sound fair? hypocrites! I worked my ass off and saved up on my own. I never used student loans or assistance.
When you tax people just because they are rich, what happens? People tend to want to keep what they earn, its not about being greedy. Its about earning your keep. Believe it or not, but you don't need to tax people out of their hard earned money to be charitable. Most people have no problem helping others, but the problem is, when you force a tax on peoples wages, they don't even know where that money goes too. And you cant trust government to "help" out when you can do the same while knowing who your money goes to.
At least with Trump, weather you agree or disagree, he stands by what he says and doesn't change his view. He brings hope in people who see the direction America is heading, and want to fix all the problems politicians seem to incompetent to address.
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FinalBoss
#levelupyourgrind
Bllazing wrote...
FinalBoss wrote...
xihiroix wrote...
FinalBoss wrote...
He went bankrupt more than 3 times and he has his father to thank for even having a sucessful business. If Trump is President, he'll bankrupt America.Trump never filed for personal bankruptcy. He filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy for 4 of his casinos. The only reason misinformation like that spreads around is because he was vain enough to put his name on each business. He is, in fact, a very successful business owner. I will concede the fact that the cause of his filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy is partly his fault.
EDIT: I would also like to say that I am not a Trump defender. I do not plan on voting in the upcoming election.
Okay, you're right, he hasn't filed for personal bankruptcy and chapter 11 is pretty mild compared to others. Still, I'll be pissed if he becomes president. Not just because of his personality, but because he's republican. If he was a democrat, I still wouldn't vote for him though. I swear, Trump is the eminem of politics. He sounds good to people, but if he was any other race, he wouldn't be liked as much. Same could be said about Obama when he first appeared, but now it seems to be the reverse.
So you wouldn't vote for him if he was republican? Fair enough, but does that go for everyone in the republican party?
Sure, if you vote democrat your choice is either a socialist or a criminal. But when people say they "hate republicans" because they are only for the rich, pro-war, racist and anti-everything, they are usually people who are misinformed.
Would you believe that, majority of the United State's presidents were Republican or considered conservative? Abraham Lincoln, the founder of the Republican Party, freed the slaves and the north and south were divided because of it. The civil rights movement, Martin Luther king was a conservative and it was under a republican that black's were finally allowed equal rights.
Much of all the regulation, high taxes and stagnate economy is from leftist/liberal policies and ideology. Democrats tend to believe in classifying everyone into groups, while conservatives tend to believe in individual freedom and self responsibility. In the name of "progress" the changes that have been made have resulted in bigger government, less freedom and a culture of welfare in which people are "entitled" to free shit.
But I hate to break the news, but nothing is free. All that welfare/social programs has to come out of the pockets of people who are already working. And I know it may seem hard to believe, but there are a lot of people who are struggling enough as it is with out the government needing to stick their hands in their pockets.
What people don't seem to understand is, there was a time when "to be rich" was considered a standard in which everyone had the opportunity of achieving. Those same "rich" people that the democrats/liberals seem to love to tax so much, are the very ones that create jobs, hire people and effect the economy. When did working hard, innovating and growing a successful business become so taboo? It was under democrats that made people believe that "you didn't earn it, you had help! so you have to pay your fair share!" - yeah, as if my neighbor helped pay my way to college, or helped me by staying up late at night while spending endless hours working, using my ideas to create a successful business despite countless efforts of trial and error. How exactly does that sound fair? hypocrites! I worked my ass off and saved up on my own. I never used student loans or assistance.
When you tax people just because they are rich, what happens? People tend to want to keep what they earn, its not about being greedy. Its about earning your keep. Believe it or not, but you don't need to tax people out of their hard earned money to be charitable. Most people have no problem helping others, but the problem is, when you force a tax on peoples wages, they don't even know where that money goes too. And you cant trust government to "help" out when you can do the same while knowing who your money goes to.
At least with Trump, weather you agree or disagree, he stands by what he says and doesn't change his view. He brings hope in people who see the direction America is heading, and want to fix all the problems politicians seem to incompetent to address.
That's the problem right there. Republicans assume that every American has the capability to work. There are people who have disabilities whether they are physical or mental. To deny them welfare service would be inhumane. Blaming the huge defecit on the poor getting welfare benefits is misguided at best. What about all the times big businesses/banks get bailed out by the Government? Wouldn't that be considered Corporate welfare? Taxing people has nothing to do with charity. Its about paying your fair share as a citizen of this country. The wealthy should be taxed according to the percentage that they earn. It doesn't make sense to tax them on the same level as a blue or white collar worker. Which reminds me, since Trump is a republican and business man, what do you think he'll do in regard to taxes? My bet is he'll make sure big businesses won't get taxed as much as they should.
The republican's mindset is noble, but unrealistic. Human beings are social creatures, we need each other in order to survive. No human alive has achieved anything on their own. The ones who cry out "lazy" are usually the ones who were spoon fed everything from day one. They don't know what its like to walk in the shoes of someone who is at a disadvantage socially, economically, mentally, physically and/or financially.
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Because the conservative media was successful in having the GOP voters not trust the government, hate immigrants and hate political correctness. Trump is what the GOP want to hear after years of trusting only the conservative media, a blowhard that gives knee jerk reactions with little knowledge or research to shit they hate. It is amazing what the GOP is willing to tolerate with this guy, but it really shouldn't surprise me anymore. Apparently the GOP really does want a no apologies rude self serving rich bigot.
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FinalBoss wrote...
That's the problem right there. Republicans assume that every American has the capability to work. There are people who have disabilities whether they are physical or mental. To deny them welfare service would be inhumane. Blaming the huge defecit on the poor getting welfare benefits is misguided at best. What about all the times big businesses/banks get bailed out by the Government? Wouldn't that be considered Corporate welfare? Taxing people has nothing to do with charity. Its about paying your fair share as a citizen of this country. The wealthy should be taxed according to the percentage that they earn. It doesn't make sense to tax them on the same level as a blue or white collar worker. Which reminds me, since Trump is a republican and business man, what do you think he'll do in regard to taxes? My bet is he'll make sure big businesses won't get taxed as much as they should. The republican's mindset is noble, but unrealistic. Human beings are social creatures, we need each other in order to survive. No human alive has achieved anything on their own. The ones who cry out "lazy" are usually the ones who were spoon fed everything from day one. They don't know what its like to walk in the shoes of someone who is at a disadvantage socially, economically, mentally, physically and/or financially.
Yeah, but you can't have a one size fits all situation. People with disabilities, or handicaps are incredibly personal and individualistic. Do you know
how many claims of welfare fraud there is? You'd be surprised!
That is just a small part of the issue. As for being inhuman to deny them... before there was welfare and all these social programs, you had people that
made it their business to take care of them. Not because the government told them too, or because they were forced. They did it because back in those days
people had the moral high ground to look after others.
Today, the mentality is: "Why work when you can get a welfare check every week and screw over people that ARE working? It's not like i CAN"T be working..."
Social programs/welfare only encourage people to take advantage of others and creates a sense of dependency. While I admit it seems like a good idea, and
I have no problem helping others, at some point however, you have to draw the line and say "enough is enough!"
As for big banks and corporate welfare, hate to break it to you but it isn't just republicans. A lot of these companies and banks were bailed out on
taxpayer expenses. Why? Because they are tied to big government. If you look at which politicians support what companies in stocks and which ones are mutually linked to them you will see it goes both ways.
Big companies and banks hold a monopoly, and with subsidies they get from the government it makes it harder for small business to grow because they don't
make the same profit margins and it becomes ever increasingly harder to compete. What SHOULD of happened was, all those businesses/banks and companies that did
go bankrupt should have not been bailed out. It all goes back to accountability. A lot of the problems stemmed from big companies making poor decisions and
making bad policies which resulted in the economic disparities we saw almost 10 years ago.
When you allow the free market to work, bad business are forced to liquidate and sell off assets, which in turn good companies are able to buy from them.
If you got a good product, or have a good service - you WONT have these problems. That's how it always was, at least until government got involved. They choose
and pick who wins and loses. That isn't a solution its just another part of the problem.
As for paying your fair share, that's questionable. While I do agree there should be some taxes, it shouldn't be nearly what it is now. People who are rich
or earn a certain amount of income that is over +100k were able to achieve their wealth through handwork, getting a good education, or being innovative. Why should
they be penalized for their effort because they had the fortitude to go out and MAKE something of their lives?
You know that a lot of people, they purposely avoid reaching a certain income bracket just to avoid higher taxes right? They do that because it isn't fair for them. People claim that they should pay more, but these are the same people that want free health care, higher wages for working minimum wage jobs, free education, and all the other government handouts afforded to them.
How about, instead of forcing higher taxes on those that earn more go out and do something about their lives. People in this day of age are afraid of hard work it seems. Almost as if they are allergic to it.
FinalBoss wrote...
The republican's mindset is noble, but unrealistic. Human beings are social creatures, we need each other in order to survive. No human alive has achieved anything on their ownSo is the democratic mindset of welfare and social programs. We are social creatures that is true, but to say we can't achieve things on our own? What about all the innovators and great minds that changed the world through their ingenuity? They had an idea, and they found ways of making them become reality. You think in today's political environment, we'd have the same amount of progress? Henry Ford invented the automobile and made them affordable - he didn't have help from the government, he FOUGHT the government to even get his idea off the ground. Or what of the Wright brothers? They had the idea of being able to fly and they spend many hours and months building the idea and concept of achieving flight.
Point is, people can achieve things on their own with enough hard work and resolve. It isn't impossible.
FinalBoss wrote...
They don't know what its like to walk in the shoes of someone who is at a disadvantage socially, economically, mentally, physically and/or financially.Again, your wrong about that. There are a lot of people who are disadvantaged in some form. But they find ways of finding success.
As for trump, I personally am not a supporter or defender. But I do understand what he talks about, and where his supporters are coming from. I may not agree with everything he says, but have you ever considered actually looking up his policies directly? You be surprised. A lot of his policies are pretty well laid out and they aren't as radical or extreme as people like to point out. When you get past his big attitude/ego, you will see a lot of the ideas he has make sense.
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glarbage
Tanlines.
People are tired of the status quo in politics, and he's viewed as an outsider. Beyond that, he also preys on people's fears when giving speeches.
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Gravity cat
the adequately amused
FinalBoss wrote...
That's the problem right there. Republicans assume that every American has the capability to work. There are people who have disabilities whether they are physical or mental. To deny them welfare service would be inhumane. Blaming the huge defecit on the poor getting welfare benefits is misguided at best. What about all the times big businesses/banks get bailed out by the Government? Wouldn't that be considered Corporate welfare? Taxing people has nothing to do with charity. Its about paying your fair share as a citizen of this country. The wealthy should be taxed according to the percentage that they earn. It doesn't make sense to tax them on the same level as a blue or white collar worker. Which reminds me, since Trump is a republican and business man, what do you think he'll do in regard to taxes? My bet is he'll make sure big businesses won't get taxed as much as they should.This'll be a little off topic but everything you've said here hits close to home in merry ol' England. We're getting the same problems.
Only our Government has already actively cut welfare for the disabled and last I heard Ian Duncan Smith was getting investigated for breaching human rights after many disabled claimants deemed Fit For Work could no longer support themselves financially and commited suicide or died from their illnesses because they could no longer afford to look after themselves. The rest actively cut public services to make up deficit rather than investing in growth. We apparently have enough money to supply luxury airliners for our politicians, foot the bill for a monarchy which has no real use, and enough in the defense budget to bomb Syria, but not enough to take care of our poorest or take steps to make sure the rich pay what they owe in taxes. They've even tried to introduce laws to silence naysayers.
Then there's the ongoing concerns of privatising the NHS; no longer being free for all being the biggest concern.
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CronaBaka
Mellow Yellow
Sneakyone wrote...
Literally anybody is better than Hillary.That's a bit of a stretch. o.o
Then again, you do live in a red state, so I can see why.
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
Sneakyone wrote...
Literally anybody is better than Hillary.So any brainless, fail business person, Canadian, Welfare recipient or sloth is better then Hillary? Im just voting for the only not dominionist person who not Bernie. I have no problem with the bern, just not economy wise. Ohio man is the top list of 'win or im moving to Canada'.
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CronaBaka wrote...
Sneakyone wrote...
Literally anybody is better than Hillary.That's a bit of a stretch. o.o
Then again, you do live in a red state, so I can see why.
My state has nothing to do with my politial standing, I don't even really care for politics and I know Hillary would be bad for the country, I also don't think Trump is right either.
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CronaBaka
Mellow Yellow
Sneakyone wrote...
CronaBaka wrote...
Sneakyone wrote...
Literally anybody is better than Hillary.That's a bit of a stretch. o.o
Then again, you do live in a red state, so I can see why.
My state has nothing to do with my politial standing, I don't even really care for politics and I know Hillary would be bad for the country, I also don't think Trump is right either.
Fair enough.