2nd American Revolution?

My friend and I were talking and I'm not sure how this was brought up but we started talking about if there was a 2nd American Revolution. So why not bring this question to the forums. :) So what are your thoughts on this? Will there be another American Revolution or not? and also if there was, whose side would you take?

Really, who can say. Maybe we will have a Revolution over the enslavement of humans by aliens?

Also, I'd take the side of the aliens.

In the last decade 10% of the population owned 40% of national assets.
Right now - the same 10% - owns about 50%...and it seems like they'll be owning 60% within 5 years.

How did they achieve this? The same way money is made. Through inflation. By owning the means of production and also owning the means of exchange of production to goods (money). You believe I'm a Marxist hack? (Yes I am. I come from a Communist family in an East European country).

However I don't have to use Marxist dogma to convince you.
Just watch these videos made by a Bona Fide Capitalist Economist and despair:

http://www.chrismartenson.com/crashcourse

So in other words: YES. The world is heading towards a crash as the rich have robbed us all, enslaved us and our future children and with the advent of Reagenomics have transformed from mere robber-barons into real slave drivers:

Going Postal: Rage, Murder, and Rebellion: From Reagan's Workplaces to Clinton's Columbine and Beyond

Read more horror stories here then realize that the film won't end and it's staring you:
http://exiledonline.com/

I gotta go with Nash on this one...

Will these be space or illegal?

Even though I don't usually believe the hype, I also have to go with this one xD

I doubt it. In the US we've been culturally conditioned to blame different segments of the middle and lower classes whenever things go bad. People are more likely to just snap and murder their co-workers than they are to form any kind of effective militia movement. Low-level government bureaucrats are likely to be the only unlucky saps who feel anyone's direct anger. People who are in executive positions in government and business live in a walled-off, isolated world where they're safely cocooned from interaction with the people they screw over.

My guess is that as the economy deteriorates further, people will turn on each other first. I can't imagine any sort of new government taking effect in DC. How on earth would it operate effectively without getting immediately co-opted by the same organizations that dictate policy now? How could they even physically seize the reins of power without the backing of the military? How could they administer a country with infrastructure as complex as ours? There's an appearance of conflict about factions within the government around election time, but what this present presidential administration shows is that there's a broad consensus about how to run the government that both parties share. It's a pretty shitty consensus but it's a much more unified system than some banana republic. They just play with bullshit cultural issues like abortion and gay marriage to get whatever resonates with 51% of voters this year.

Look at somewhere in the country that's been economically devastated, like Detroit. There's no armed insurrection, there's just a lot of crime against other poor people.

Even if we all decided to kill all the super rich people and take back all our money I doubt it would quite get to a revolution point as either 1) No real military forces would be involved or 2) The rich people would have our own military crush us to teach us that we're not allowed to want things.

Forget about getting the money back. It's not something tangible. The money we use is debt based, a legal fiction that we *chose* to believe in.

What is needed a distribution of wealth and responsibilities - be it through money, socialist collectivization, democratic empowerment through local communities, inervention by a military junta ...or getting more money into everybody's pocket (which is problematic, since what prevents the current estabilishment from printing/loaning more money into their own pockets once again?) - that finally doesn't drive Joe Average as a slave...

...and maybe, just maybe is something more sustainable than the exponential banking system we currently use.

Concerted effort - a revolution if you will, even if we don't storm the buildings of government with guns blazing - is needed or the only long term alternative is catastrophic collapse. Then guns blazing aggression is a given.

I've recently picked up a book called "Not a Conspiracy Theory: How Business Propaganda Hijacks Democracy"

While reading this book my sentiments are starting to echo the others in this thread when it comes to hostility towards big business and the rich.

Do I think we can pull off another revolution? No, because we simply won't have the arms to fight the military or simply keep them in check due to the anti-gun crowd. These big business got that way due to politicians being close with the company owners or they themselves have money invested in these companies. Due to the general apathy and incompetence of the Government educated people they have constantly voted these conniving bastards in time and again. So the end result? We have big business and elected officials all cozy and snuggled up while we're getting screwed.

If you want to follow the logic of people such as Alex Jones, then you would have an ever growing hatred and fear of the federal reserve which some believe is behind all of this, Bilderberg group and such.

I speculate that if Americans were armed like the Swiss this kind of nonsense would never have occurred. Last thing a politician wants to do is piss off a country of people armed to the teeth. There was a reason why the standing army was kept small before WW2. It was to keep the army from being used against the people.

"The militia, who are in fact the effective part of the people at large, will render many troops quite unnecessary. They will form a powerful check upon the regular troops, and will generally be sufficient to over-awe them."

The end result I believe is going to be a Corporate oligarchy.

We already have a corporate oligarchy, just because they have a publicity stunt called election where people can choose between different brands and still get the same shit doesn't change the fact that they *own* the national policy and Joe Average *no longer has any influence* in the policy making.

Another guy who you should read is Mark Ames. He's a gonzo journalist who has written some heavy hitting stuff. In his book "Going Postal" he makes a very convincing argument that school and workplace shootings are like old slave rebellions: incomprehensible to the contemporary ruling class, but from a different perspective a natural reaction to the inhuman conditions that were forced on people.

You should also read Noam Chomsky he's the creator of the propaganda model that is a solid framework of the problem and is backed up by ample evidence. He postulates that in a representative democracy where mass media is used to disseminate ideas, big capital has gained a massive influence on national policy making.

Likewise you should read "Not a conspiracy theory".

I believe we are on the verge of the oligarchy but, not quite at complete control. Once the internet becomes censored or "Internet 2" is brought online then I'll be in the same camp as you. Though I'll probably turn revolutionary at that point. V and Che won't have shit on me.

Although tension between Democrats and Republicans is getting quite heated recently, I dont think a 2nd civil war is in our near future. It wont get bad enough for that to happen any time soon.

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I know what you're trying to do but SD is not the section to try to up your post count.

I know that, thats why I've only made 2 posts here.

And Im not counting this one.

The army was small because we were isolationist and not a world power yet. In emergencies we'd use the draft - so why spend money on military when there was no body who wanted to threaten an uncultured and mainly agricultural nation? It had nothing to do with some higher powers trying to prevent a future of military abuse of power against the people.

American revolution comes via who we elect into power. You don't like the people in power, you vote for someone else and get people to vote with you. If there is no one you want to vote for, you run for office yourself and convince others to vote for you. If others agree with you, then you are in power and you can get rid of the these evil people who everyone thinks are holed up in a penthouses somewhere smoking gold cigars rolled on the backs of brazillian models and are causing all our problems.

We're both right on this part. There wasn't a need for a standing army as we had the militia to defend the country and the founding fathers didn't want the government to use it's army to suppress the people as the standing armies of Europe did during peacetime.



I wish it was that simple but, the senate is overbearingly powerful. It's full of corrupt senators who cater to special interests and lobbyists. Either way I do have a desire for a position in higher office. I just need to get off my ass and get working on it.

There is nothing wrong with special interest and lobbyists. While there are groups who conduct themselves unethically (and we have to crack down with ethic committes every so often), lobbyists and special interest is how little people ban together to be heard. Farmers, enviromentalist, teachers, fire fighters, and even foster parents all use lobby groups. Unfortunately so do big interest, but it would be unfair if we discriminated against the rich because people hate them for being better off then themselves.

The best thing this country can do is introduce educational classes to high school and middle school students about how government works and how to check on your elected officals activites. Before that though, there has to be a culture change so that america isn't the only dumbass country that frowns upon being smart and beats up anyone who does well in school; also blacks ostracizing smart black kids as "acting white", as well as states making standards in schools lower so more kids can pass.

Unfortunately it is hard to change a culture. We say education is important here, but I don't think anyone has an idea of what education truly means in this country.

It's these special interests that brought our country to the current state.

Each generation is receiving a worse education as each year passes.
Your right to free speech is being infringed.
Your right to bear arms is being infringed.
Your right to privacy is being infringed.

just to name a few things special interests are doing to you.

It's special interests that are the problem. These lobbyists are the problem because their money influences policy. You think the insurance companies dislike the idea of everybody being forced to buy a policy? You think pharmaceutical companies dislike the idea of being able to cozy up to their favorite political hacks in order to influence which drugs or treatments are used for which disease?

This is the problem, the little guy doesn't matter anymore. Why? because we don't have a few million to buy a vote.

The rest I agree with. I want the American education system to go from being the laughing stock to making the current "best" look up to us in pure awe. As it stands our "advanced" students are considered dumb by the average student in Europe (I believe it was Germany who we were compared to but, don't quote me on that). Do school vouchers for every student. Don't lock them into poor schools by zoning. We need to emulate the countries with the best education by making the money follow the child not the other way around. Introduce a mandatory class every year that educates the children on how the government works and the mechanisms behind it. Tell them in detail the role and powers of the Executive, the Judicial, and the Legislative branch and that all three of these branches BOW DOWN to the constitution. Make every student capable of naming all of the rights in the bill of rights. Oh yeah, and fire the teachers union and ban them from ever forming in the education system ever again.

Edit; In case anybody wanted to claim that directly talking with a congressmen doesn't work. I have received personally addressed and written responses from my congressmen before.