A logical question for y'all
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Hey guys i found this question in my files in my student laptop... This will really test you're mind... Here goes:
"Three elite families were at war, namely the Red, Yellow and Orange family groups. Literally everything was hanging by a single .45 ACP round because when the families couldnt kill each other off and it was draining them of resources, they decided of a three-way shootoff that will settle the dispute by the last shooter standing. Each were to be given very identical 1911's so no one would say that they cheated because the gun was different and no large calibre bullets (no .50 AE for Desert Eagles) would be used in the fight, just .45's. Now the shooters came up, took the 1911s and faced off in a triangular formation. The first shooter was from the Red family and there is no chance of him missing. The second shooter came from the Orange family and had a chance of missing. The last shooter was from the yellow family and he had a very high chance that he would miss. Now the rule was ONE SHOT was to be fired by the three. The yellow family shooter was first to shoot so he loaded the bullet in the magazine and thought what to do..."
Now my question for you is this:
[size=22]IF YOU WERE THAT YELLOW SHOOTER IN THE MIDST OF THE STANDOFF, WHAT WILL YOU DO? YOU'RE ACTIONS WILL HAVE REPERCUSSIONS YOU KNOW...[/h]
You're finger is in the trigger... What will be you're move?
In this scenario, well most would....
"Three elite families were at war, namely the Red, Yellow and Orange family groups. Literally everything was hanging by a single .45 ACP round because when the families couldnt kill each other off and it was draining them of resources, they decided of a three-way shootoff that will settle the dispute by the last shooter standing. Each were to be given very identical 1911's so no one would say that they cheated because the gun was different and no large calibre bullets (no .50 AE for Desert Eagles) would be used in the fight, just .45's. Now the shooters came up, took the 1911s and faced off in a triangular formation. The first shooter was from the Red family and there is no chance of him missing. The second shooter came from the Orange family and had a chance of missing. The last shooter was from the yellow family and he had a very high chance that he would miss. Now the rule was ONE SHOT was to be fired by the three. The yellow family shooter was first to shoot so he loaded the bullet in the magazine and thought what to do..."
Now my question for you is this:
[size=22]IF YOU WERE THAT YELLOW SHOOTER IN THE MIDST OF THE STANDOFF, WHAT WILL YOU DO? YOU'RE ACTIONS WILL HAVE REPERCUSSIONS YOU KNOW...[/h]
You're finger is in the trigger... What will be you're move?
In this scenario, well most would....
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mibuchiha
Fakku Elder
I don't see any reason for even going along in the war...so I choose the "say buh-bye to those idiots" option.
Or in case I got no chance but shoot...I'd go for...the one that promise better chance of survival.
Or in case I got no chance but shoot...I'd go for...the one that promise better chance of survival.
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First thing I'd want to know is the tip of the bullets used. FMJ or hollow-point? Makes quite a difference.
Ultimately, though, my choice would have to be the guy who has a chance of missing, as I have a high chance of missing. Therefore, if I aim at him, I actually have a higher chance of hitting the accurate guy than the guy I'm aiming at.
Ultimately, though, my choice would have to be the guy who has a chance of missing, as I have a high chance of missing. Therefore, if I aim at him, I actually have a higher chance of hitting the accurate guy than the guy I'm aiming at.
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i Vote C
if i shot the accurate guy on the head i can shoot again to my target again
but then again the people will panic so it will be hard to target again.....
if i shot the accurate guy on the head i can shoot again to my target again
but then again the people will panic so it will be hard to target again.....
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zeKer_pencil wrote...
The last shooter was from the yellow family and he had a very big chance that he would miss.Now my question for you is this:
[size=22]IF YOU WERE THAT YELLOW SHOOTER IN THE MIDST OF THE STANDOFF, WHAT WILL YOU DO? YOU'RE ACTIONS WILL HAVE REPERCUSSIONS YOU KNOW...[/h]
Since I'm fucking with chance here, and since you say we only have one shot I might as well hope it goes down like this:
Since I'm the Yellow shooter I would attempt to miss the orange shooter. Seeing as my aim is shit I'm hoping to not kill him.
Now, If the red shooter goes next:
He will see that I am no longer a threat to him and that if he kills me then the orange will have a chance to kill him. So he shoots the orange hoping for a kill and me and red should remain alive.
If the orange shooter goes next:
He will see that I shot at him and he might try to shoot me back, hopefully he will miss. If he shoots me then I might die and the red will most likely be the only one alive in the end, but if orange misses, then it's up to the red shooter to choose who to try to kill.
If orange for some reason tries to shoot red, then it's a win-win situation for me as red will most likely shoot orange. Either way, I will not be injured, since either red or orange might die.
If orange for some reason tries to shoot red, then it's a win-win situation for me as red will most likely shoot orange. Either way, I will not be injured, since either red or orange might die.
If I'm lucky, then I will be alive with either the red shooter or the orange shooter, who, after the shootout, I will pistol whip to death.
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It depends. If we were only to shoot one bullet each, and the red family was to go second, I would shoot at the orange. It's a game of chance, but if I had such a high chance of missing, chances are I would miss. Then the red would go next and know that next would the orange, who would probably still be alive and had a chance of hitting him, so he would obviously kill him to save his own life.
If the orange was to go second, I would shoot at the red. Then he would know the red was next and WOULD hit one of us. So he would shoot at him, to again, save his own life. Now both of us had chances of dying, but both shooting at him would raise our chances of hitting him and maximize our chance of survival.
If the orange was to go second, I would shoot at the red. Then he would know the red was next and WOULD hit one of us. So he would shoot at him, to again, save his own life. Now both of us had chances of dying, but both shooting at him would raise our chances of hitting him and maximize our chance of survival.
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I'll shoot the red shooter since he's the biggest threat.
If I hit, I'll be dealing with the orange shooter who can still miss his shot therefore giving me chance of survival.
If I miss, I hope none of them will pay attention to me anymore (since I'm out of ammo making me no longer a threat to them) and kill each other.
After that, like rbz said, down to pistol whipping.
If I hit, I'll be dealing with the orange shooter who can still miss his shot therefore giving me chance of survival.
If I miss, I hope none of them will pay attention to me anymore (since I'm out of ammo making me no longer a threat to them) and kill each other.
After that, like rbz said, down to pistol whipping.
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It really depends on what order it's going in. If the person going next is red shooter, I'd shoot orange shooter. If orange shooter is going next, then I'd try and hit red shooter.
Reason:
I will most likely miss and I might even miss on purpose. Because whoever goes next will not feel threatened, nor will he feel the need for vengeance and will always shoot the other guy (if he's smart) especially because the other guy has a bullet to use. If the 2nd shooter misses, he will shoot the last guy that shot at him (this is of course if my psychological analysis is correct).
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I will most likely miss and I might even miss on purpose. Because whoever goes next will not feel threatened, nor will he feel the need for vengeance and will always shoot the other guy (if he's smart) especially because the other guy has a bullet to use. If the 2nd shooter misses, he will shoot the last guy that shot at him (this is of course if my psychological analysis is correct).
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Jericho Antares
FAKKU Writer
I'd thumb the safety, and "fire" at Red. With the high tension that would be in the air, they would most likely flinch. Shoulder into them, and start grappling on the ground. (was never specified what the Yellow CQC prowess was)
In the confusion, the standing shooter would most likely seize the opportunity and try to shoot me and the other while we were on the ground. Since its Orange that's still up, his aim isn't as true. That's really about as far as you can even try to plan before its all up in the air. Orange could hit you or Red, or miss you altogether. If he hits Red, you press the advantage, kill him with your pistol, then take his pistol and kill Orange. If Orange hits you, Red will do to you what you did to him in scenario one. If Orange misses both grappling men, it'd matter who is most proficient at CQC.
In the confusion, the standing shooter would most likely seize the opportunity and try to shoot me and the other while we were on the ground. Since its Orange that's still up, his aim isn't as true. That's really about as far as you can even try to plan before its all up in the air. Orange could hit you or Red, or miss you altogether. If he hits Red, you press the advantage, kill him with your pistol, then take his pistol and kill Orange. If Orange hits you, Red will do to you what you did to him in scenario one. If Orange misses both grappling men, it'd matter who is most proficient at CQC.
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Pog wrote...
First thing I'd want to know is the tip of the bullets used. FMJ or hollow-point? Makes quite a difference.Ultimately, though, my choice would have to be the guy who has a chance of missing, as I have a high chance of missing. Therefore, if I aim at him, I actually have a higher chance of hitting the accurate guy than the guy I'm aiming at.
If you wanna know what type they used, then its FMJ... Since hollow points and .45 ACPs mix well, they decided it off the track...
Also in this scenario you are the starting shot. Theres no order to who would go next. So basically, once you shoot, then it starts from there....
One more thing, basically you dont have to follow what i gave in the most people would do thing.... Just think it over....
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zeKer_pencil wrote...
[quote="Pog"]Also in this scenario you are the starting shot. Theres no order to who would go next. So basically, once you shoot, then it starts from there....One more thing, basically you dont have to follow what i gave in the most people would do thing.... Just think it over....
If there's no order then I would shoot at the orange and stay with my previous answer. Now I have to ask, do you HAVE to stay in this triangle formation and just shoot? If not, I would duck out to leave them to one another, and whoever was left between the two would have no bullets unless he picked up the others gun (unless the other shot and missed.) I would then put my gun to the back of their head before they could pick up the other gun, and eliminate my chance of missing and end them.
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I'd obviously shoot the accurate guy, mainly because if I leave the inaccurate guy, even if he were to hit me with a bullet it is less likely to be in a fatal area.
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What you initially wrote is a bit unclear it seems, but if each person only gets one shot, even if multiple shooters are left surviving at the end, then the yellow gunman should fire his bullet up in the air, intentionally missing.
If red goes next, he shoots orange, since orange has the potential to hurt him. Since red never misses, he kills orange. So orange cannot take his shot, and each of the others have shot once. The standoff is over with both yellow and red surviving.
If orange goes next, he shoots at red. If he hits red, same situation. If orange misses, than red gets to choose whether to kill orange or yellow, so yellow has a 50/50 chance of surviving, since red has no imperative to kill either one. So then yellow's chance of death in this case is only equal to half of orange's chance to miss hit shot.
If red goes next, he shoots orange, since orange has the potential to hurt him. Since red never misses, he kills orange. So orange cannot take his shot, and each of the others have shot once. The standoff is over with both yellow and red surviving.
If orange goes next, he shoots at red. If he hits red, same situation. If orange misses, than red gets to choose whether to kill orange or yellow, so yellow has a 50/50 chance of surviving, since red has no imperative to kill either one. So then yellow's chance of death in this case is only equal to half of orange's chance to miss hit shot.
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WhiteLion wrote...
What you initially wrote is a bit unclear it seems, but if each person only gets one shot, even if multiple shooters are left surviving at the end, then the yellow gunman should fire his bullet up in the air, intentionally missing.If red goes next, he shoots orange, since orange has the potential to hurt him. Since red never misses, he kills orange. So orange cannot take his shot, and each of the others have shot once. The standoff is over with both yellow and red surviving.
If orange goes next, he shoots at red. If he hits red, same situation. If orange misses, than red gets to choose whether to kill orange or yellow, so yellow has a 50/50 chance of surviving, since red has no imperative to kill either one. So then yellow's chance of death in this case is only equal to half of orange's chance to miss hit shot.
And you nearly got the answer right.....
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Just to be clear, once when you shoot, there is no 'my turn to shoot' rule implied and the first to draw along with accuracy is rampant
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zeKer_pencil wrote...
And you nearly got the answer right.....Spoiler:
Just to be clear, once when you shoot, there is no 'my turn to shoot' rule implied and the first to draw along with accuracy is rampant
That's why it's helpful if you make the initial situation clear through correct grammar and detail. You specifically said in your opening post that yellow got to shoot first, which misrepresented the reality of the contest, since you now say it is based on who can draw fastest. Nor did you specify a second standoff after the first. If you wish to propose a logic puzzle, you have to do it correctly and cover your bases. Otherwise, how can you expect to a correct answer to an incorrectly proposed question?
In actuality, if all the gunmen shoot exactly simultaneously and the standoffs will be repeated until only one person remains, yellow's best move is to shoot at red. Orange and red will still logically shoot at each other. Yellow only benefits by missing his first shot if he shoots before the others. If it is draw at your own speed, yellow should just wait to shoot until after the others and shoot at red if red is still alive, otherwise orange.
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He gave enough information, this is a puzzle that has been around for a while. It is just one of those things that where you forget to take into consideration what the other participants will do. Everyone one focuses on "oh noes! If I shoot one, the other one is going to kill me! whats do I do!"
It's like you're saying, you know what, you two go first, I'll deal with whoever is left.
It's like you're saying, you know what, you two go first, I'll deal with whoever is left.
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If my post wasn't good enough to try and keep yellow's ass alive then what else is there(besides death)?
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razama wrote...
He gave enough information, this is a puzzle that has been around for a while. It is just one of those things that where you forget to take into consideration what the other participants will do. Everyone one focuses on "oh noes! If I shoot one, the other one is going to kill me! whats do I do!" It's like you're saying, you know what, you two go first, I'll deal with whoever is left.
The point is that if the contest is free draw, then the solution of intentionally missing is inferior to letting red and orange attack each other and then shooting at whoever is left in the first round, which doesn't end until all three participants fire their shot. This gives you 1.5 shots at whomever is left(assuming that all contestants are equally good at quick draw and that one will beat another 50% of the time, it wasn't specified in the problem who could draw the fastest) as opposed to 0.5 shots by intentionally missing.
If, however, yellow has to shoot first, as the first post seemed to imply, his best move is an intentional miss.
Of course, any solution always assumes that the rival gunmen will always act in the way that logically gives them the best chance of surviving, which dictates that red and orange will always try to shoot at each other. As far as realism goes, people in deadly gunfights don't always reason through their actions before pulling the trigger.