Abortion

Well, life is one or the other. Either something is dead or alive. A fetus is potential life, a sperm cell is potential life.

The point I want to get across is, although it may seem wrong, people should be allowed abortion. Imagine how it is now. Now imagine if abortion were to be outlawed?

Speaking of "paying for others' abortion," that's too subjective, it's not as if funds would directly be allocated to helping people go through abortion. Are you speaking of "Universal Healthcare?" Enlighten me if so because I'm not too fond of the idea for many reasons.

And no, this isn't really a topic which is purely government-wise, the fact that it was this topic (Abortion, dealing with life/religion) that was chosen means there's an ulterior motive. If it wasn't about personal beliefs or religion, then there's not much to argue.
What would you expect of the government?
"Okay, as of now, abortions are now illegal under the jurisdiction of the "Save The Fetuses" Act. All women who had previously had an abortion beforehand will not be convicted however future precedings will."

You've just proven that your knowledge of genetics is a mess (...or were taught the "controversy" instead) and you have fundamental problems with biology. Even though gametes (eggs and sperm) are haploids, they're still very much alive as they have a metabolism of their own.

Humans have 23 *pairs* of chromosomes. During haploidisation (the process that creates gametes) the pairs break up and only half of your genome is passed on. When the pairs are once again joined up (when a sperm fertilizes an egg), the two chromosomes exchange some of their genes in the pair, so the final chromosomes contain genes both from the mother and the father.

You don't have 23 X chromosomes, you have a pair of sex chromosomes. Either XX or XY. Since the woman have 2 X chromosomes, they can only pass on the X. The Y chromosome always comes from the male.

The best way is for guys to wear condoms and girls being a bit careful....
abortion is a serous matter and killing a kid "just" because you are not ready to grow up is the most ridiculous excuse I ever heard...

People should pay abortion for themselves because I wouldn't wanna involve the government in this, because abortion is a personal matter that is between the girl and her unborn child.

Right, the fact that the man's sperm cells make up half of the process has NOTHING to do with it. NOPE. /sarcasm

It's not about the money, it's a completely different matter on regulations of the health system and beliefs.

It's

Give women the choice to abort.
or
Do not give women the choice to abort.

I am support of giving women the choice.
Because I'll bring up my statement from before again:

Legally, that's not considered killing. If you were to murder someone who was about to have sex, you would not be charged with double murder. but if you kill a pregnant women,

Like so many other issues, this really boils down to the monkey sphere. many people have no personal conection with this subject. it's one thing to talk about something other people are doing, it's entirely another when it's you or someone you're close to. i personaly know two women who have had abortions. i also know several others who have had miscarriages. the emotional effects are almost exactly the same. the only difference is the abortions come with guilt. people talk like abortions are just something women do like go to the store or walk the dog. "what shall i do today? buy some cheese, take out the garbage, get an abortion, change a light bulb...".

as far as taxes paying for it, i think of it like this:
it's just another medical procedure. like fixxing a broken limb, or reatatching a severed finger. as a fan of natural selection, i'm much more annoyed that taxes might be spent on patching up a drunk driver or some ass hat who tried to ride his bike off a roof.

SOOO glad that Mississippi "Personhood" law didn't pass. Thank goodness...

Indeed, that was one of the stupidest things ever put to vote.

The fact that it even made it to a proposal stage is scary enough on its own. o_o

Personhood USA is putting forth more ballot measures like this in Florida, Ohio, Montana, California, Oregon, and Nevada. This shit is disgusting.

I had never even heard of the personhood movment before you guys mentioned it. i guess they know better than to try that shit in california, or are they keeping quiet on purpose maybe? that is the most rediculous shit i've seen in a while. who the fuck do they think they are? next they'll try to make fapping illegal. aftert that are they going to tell me how to wipe my ass?

I agree with birth control, but not too much into abortions.

Ah, the hard line libertarian has spoken: It's not my problem, therefore keep your dirty paws off my money! I believe the same would go for child support or welfare of any form and you wouldn't mind paying fares every time you use a utility - a road, a telephone even if it's an emergency - and will accept that the fire brigade won't put out the fire unless you have a valid insurance and the fire hasn't expanded beyond their contractual obligations.

I think abortion is completely up to the woman. I live in mississippi so this was a big deal. I think it is completely up to the woman and wheyher or not she.can properly take care of the child. And noone should fotce you into the 9 months of pregnancy. And trying to cintrol someones body is crossing the line.

Multiple states have proposed laws that go against the supreme court decision to allow abortion( including one stating that life begins at conception, don't remember which state) but eventually this will all end up back in the supreme court.

On a seperate note why don't we solve this by just issuing coat hangers to all citizens and let them take it from there : D

I don't quite get where you stand
On killing argument: What's the impact of this statement? So we always kill, fine, pro-life good
Counter plan on" giving up all their eggs and sperm" : .... The fuck? First of all, how are you going to implement this process?you cause economic collapse by having to create storage for eggs within a woman(who you have to mutilate to get or force her to "drop" an egg every menstrual cycle) out of body and men constantly produce sperm, how exactly are you going to proceed with this, there is no way you can create a reversible actor to do this
Orphans Counter:Meh, you lead to suffering,degregation, and human depravity to rise to an all out high in the world. Pull up empirics on lifestyle of orphans and foster children, not the brightest. Then consider your forcing someone to do this since humanity is greedy by nature.You also disregard monetary restraint and your own argument of overpopulation and cause countless lives to suffer our world.
Baby's choice: Considering your utilitarian stance on this, baby 's choice is irrelevant. they cause overpopulation and economic collapse, as a byproduct you can probably expect arms races and soon after human extinction and civilization's gradual collapse.

I believe that a person has the right to chose what they do to thier bodies, but the burden of paying for this falling upon the tax payer's shoulders is wrong. I am very pro life and I definately don't like the idea of my taxes helping end the life of an unborn child. If they seriously want the abortion they should pay for it themselves (although I haven't heard of any law like this in my state I'm just stating my opinion on the subject stated please don't attack me if there isn't)

I don't believe Abortion should be a matter that's taken lightly.. but to be honest.. I can sleep soundly at night if too many teen girls get careless and then have abortions. I'd lose sleep if a single woman dies because a doctor couldn't abort a fetus to save her life, or if a 12 year old girl has to find out that her Rapist left a souvenir in her uterus. Weighing that against a tax increase? Take my fucking money.