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Just need some feedback on this topic.. What's better? Being Apathetic in life(only when life is being really bad.. which is most of the time) or actually trying to care that theyre happening?
I've been (apathetic) for many years now, to the point where I have to ACT like I care. Just recently someone was run over in front of me, and I could've gone to help, but I didn't.. I just didn't really care.
Now some people may call me a jerk and whatnot, but I ask myself, why help people when all they do is make you remember them? When people die, you cry, and feel bad, and have memories, you reminisce and that's it, time wasted. All people do is waste your time, even if you're not doing anything.
I figure my life should go like this
-work
-entertainment
-work
-die
and all while not giving a damn.
So in basic words, i'm just saying "Who cares? We're all going to die anyway!".
People could say I should live-life to the fullest..
Well take this into consideration, I am an "extreme agoraphobic" which basically also translates into me being a shut-in with no friends. All i need is the internet, I've grown to learn that people aren't worth it.
I mean, isn't it awesome to just be like,
ahh, the world's going to end in 2012? Whooo cares?
or
My parents just died? well.. that sucks. I get their money? hooray?
TL;DR
I don't give two-craps about anything, is this healthy?
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-w- dear diary: mood apathetic
if you have to act, then theres no reason to. if you simply dont care that should be ok right? i mean its your life. I try to be emotionless sometimes due to all the people trying to guilt me or trying to make me feel bad and simply there is no point. why do you try to make others happy if they dont give two shits about you right? well i cant help you. just do what you want...
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In your way, you are living your life to the fullest. I do not know your age but after five, ten or more years re-open this thread and tell me how you are doing.
Your are communicating with people on the net so you are not alone.
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Renovartio wrote...-w- dear diary: mood apathetic
if you have to act, then theres no reason to. if you simply dont care that should be ok right? i mean its your life. I try to be emotionless sometimes due to all the people trying to guilt me or trying to make me feel bad and simply there is no point. why do you try to make others happy if they dont give two shits about you right? well i cant help you. just do what you want...
You've done a great help to me. Not that i didn't know this before, but yes, it's my life and i can do whatever i want. Thank you for your input, I just didn't think someone from fakku would agree to what I am saying. (If you're not agreeing that I am misunderstanding)
i'm just saying...
What i've learned from being here at fakku is that this place is swarming with moral-folks that are generally positive in life.
I want to know what's so great about caring.
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well its not a crime to not care right? I mean i act all cheery but inside i have lots of worries and doubts. So when others try to make me feel bad about things which are really got nothing to do with me why should i care?
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You say that whats the point in caring and that we all are going to die in the end so that theres really no point.
but what I think that even though there is really no point in caring about life then there also is no point in not caring either. since we all are going to die in the very end we might as well just do stuff to pass the time, right?
(but of course these are my opinions you don't have to take them into consederation if you don't want to)
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Monkeysphere. if it's something i see on the news or interwebs, i usualy don't care. sometimes though, if it happens right in front of me, i can't stop myself from helping. i saved a kid from drowning once, didn't even think, just jumped. on the other hand, i saw some guy trying to show off on a bike jump off a roof, and break his leg. i couldn't stop laughing. helping or calling for help never even crossed my mind. he deserved what he got for being stupid.
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Apathy is good shit. Caring about something is nice and all, but it does fuck with your mind. Sure you'll seem heartless for not going apeshit over your parent's death, but at least you won't have to go through that emotional mindfuck other people do when they lose loved ones. A lot of the time I wish I was more callous. Sometimes it's just too easy to make an emotional impact on me, which pisses me off. One piece of advise though, don't be apathetic towards yourself.
Spoiler:
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Being apathetic at certain situations can be of good need. However, it's always bad to be too much of something.
I was going to say something next that's similar but this conveys my point clearly:
Spoiler:
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I have emotions, Im just not emotional. I guess i just hide my feelings... Does that make me apathetic? I dont think so, but im not sure...
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The less you care the less it hurts when it all goes wrong.
Being apathetic isn't always a good thing. It isn't always a bad thing either.
However, take it from me; don't force yourself to have feelings. If you feel empty inside, feel empty inside and cry. If you couldn't give a damn, don't give a damn but at least be respectful to those that do. There's a fine line between apathy and insensitivity.
There may or may not be something that'll trigger you to go off eventually. If there is, then take solace in the fact that you're human. If not, shut up and get on with your life.
We're all human, but levels of humanity differ. Just take it all in your stride. People will hate you for it, but if you really didn't care then it doesn't affect you anyway.
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I bounce between a line of apathy and caring. Until a few years ago, I was a pure apathetic junkie. I really didn't find much reason to care about anything except Numero Uno. As a child I moved every few years so I never really learned how to attach to somebody as a friend. To this day I still don't have any physical friends and I don't have a problem with it...but I did have a few problems.
Firstly, I found it very hard to get motivated. I can do anything I need to do, but when it comes to doing something with extra effort, I always found it to be a pain and quit early. I've been forcing myself to go out and beyond the call of duty these past few years and it has made my life better.
Secondly, apathy and love don't mix. It's incredibly hard to even begin a relationship. How can you spark someones interests when you don't care about movies? Actors? Music? Sports? Maybe there's a secret beyond those things, but when you tell someone you don't care about any of those...they disconnect and stop conversating with you.
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I think the basic question is if you want to enjoy life.
If you never care you will not be hurt, but you will not experience the strong good feelings either.
If you do care about someone or something, then you risk getting hurt (and you probably will...) but while you have them in your life it will bring you allot of happiness.
Personally I do not think I could live my life only experiencing "weak" emotions that you get from video games or other things where you do not risk anything.
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I don't care enough to take this topic seriously.
Edit: Apparently someone doesn't have a sense of humor.
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Rbz wrote...inb4 jebus says "You need help!"
I lol'd.
On topic, we have emotions for a reason. They didn't just come about for no reason; it's evolution. We need to care about each other to form a society. That gets lost nowadays, since one person's actions aren't essential to the survival of a town, but it doesn't change the fact that if a person really didn't care at all about other humans, he could do a hell of a lot of damage.
You ask if not caring is healthy; despite sounding like a broken record, I have to say that it's not. If you truly, 100%, do not care about anything at all than your own survival, then you might be a psychopath. I doubt that's the case, however, as you posted this topic. On the other hand, if you've gone through some bad shit, and you've taught yourself to not care as a way of protecting yourself, you're just like many other people. You stray from the popular definition of "normal." Not caring about others can greatly inhibit the ability to start a family or have close friends, or anything else that requires you to trust and care about others. However, if you've never been interested in those kinds of things, why should you care? If you don't want a relationship or family, then where's the problem in not being able to have a good relationship? "Normal" does not equal "good." What's normal may be good for a lot of people but bad for you. If you're fine with never being close to anyone, you shouldn't do anything to change yourself.
Anyways, onto the topic of apathy in general. I've seen a growing trend lately. A lot of people act like it's cool that they don't give a fuck, as if it makes them a better person. I just see it as running away. They're scared of being hurt, so they build a wall around themselves. "My father's death won't hurt me if I don't care about him." But that neglects a large part of life. I've heard life metaphorically described as a dinner. Dishes are being passed around, and everybody wants to not take the bad-tasting vegetables and take a double-helping of steak. But that's not what life is. Life deals out good and bad, and you have to accept both.
If you refuse to get close to a person because that person will eventually die or leave, then you're keeping yourself from getting hurt, but you're also keeping yourself from feeling the job that comes from being close to another person.
Of course, that assumes that joy comes from being close to others. It may be that other people do not bring a person any joy. Generally speaking, friendships and relationships make people happy, but what about those that don't fit into that majority? Are they damaged and need to be fixed, or are they simply different? I've often thought about personality disorders and the idea that they may not be disorders but simple differences. I haven't come to any conclusion though.
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ShaggyJebus wrote...Anyways, onto the topic of apathy in general. I've seen a growing trend lately. A lot of people act like it's cool that they don't give a fuck, as if it makes them a better person. I just see it as running away. They're scared of being hurt, so they build a wall around themselves. "My father's death won't hurt me if I don't care about him." But that neglects a large part of life. I've heard life metaphorically described as a dinner. Dishes are being passed around, and everybody wants to not take the bad-tasting vegetables and take a double-helping of steak. But that's not what life is. Life deals out good and bad, and you have to accept both.
Why should they? Is it because it would make them more "normal?"
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Rbz wrote...Why should they? Is it because it would make them more "normal?"
As I said (or tried to say), "normal" isn't always good or best. It's more of a general standard. It's not for everyone. However, that doesn't mean that every person can stray from what's considered normal without repercussions. If a person wants to have healthy relationships, then dismissing emotions will greatly hinder the ability to have good relationships.
If a person wants to deny the good with the bad, then that's their decision, and they seem to understand what they are doing. But if a person wants to deny the bad and only take the good, they're expecting something that isn't realistic. Bad things happen, and if you refuse to feel anything bad, while still feeling good, you're going to be swallowing your emotions, which can result in a meltdown later on. Emotions are complex and tied into one another; a person cannot simply decide to feel some emotions and not others.
Getting further back on topic, I can understand why some people would want to feel apathetic and not care about anything, but at the same time, I have to question why those people bother to do anything. If there is no point to life, then why live? A reason I've heard (and used myself in the past) is that it's too much trouble to die. That may be true, but couldn't a person just be using that as an excuse, a shield to cover up the fact that they do not want to die? They may wish to hide the fact that they don't want to die because if they don't want to die, that means that they want to live, that there is some reason for their being alive.
We all have to come to our own conclusions regarding life, and while a person may find that there is no grand goal, he may still find a reason to be alive, even if it's as simple as "I want to feel good." I wouldn't call such a life apathetic because there is something that person likes and desires, something he cares about. On the other hand, if someone has nothing he cares about at all, why wouldn't he just throw away his life?
When I'm cleaning out my closet and come across an old toy that I haven't even seen in years, why don't I toss it out? Because I think it may be of some use. In some regard, I care about it or what it can do for me. But if I see a test from middle school, something that serves no purpose, I crumble it up and don't look back. And why? Because I am completely apathetic about the test.
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ShaggyJebus wrote...If a person wants to deny the good with the bad, then that's their decision, and they seem to understand what they are doing. But if a person wants to deny the bad and only take the good, they're expecting something that isn't realistic. Bad things happen, and if you refuse to feel anything bad, while still feeling good, you're going to be swallowing your emotions, which can result in a meltdown later on. Emotions are complex and tied into one another; a person cannot simply decide to feel some emotions and not others.
Why not? Apparently they can decide to feel no emotions toward good and bad things, why not good and not bad things? Emotions are complex, yea? What keeps the denier of good and bad from being thought of the as the guy who "swallows his emotions" and might have an emotional mindfuck later on?
Going back to your previous paragraph...
ShaggyJebus wrote...Spoiler:
... I don't see why they have to accept the bad parts of life. It just seems like you're saying, "It's only fair that they do, because I have to feel that shit to." "Other people have to deal with it, why not him?" is what it looks like to me. That's what I meant by more "normal." You know, because they're "running away."
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Just need some feedback on this topic.. What's better? Being Apathetic in life(only when life is being really bad.. which is most of the time) or actually trying to care that theyre happening?
I've been (apathetic) for many years now, to the point where I have to ACT like I care. Just recently someone was run over in front of me, and I could've gone to help, but I didn't.. I just didn't really care.
Now some people may call me a jerk and whatnot, but I ask myself, why help people when all they do is make you remember them? When people die, you cry, and feel bad, and have memories, you reminisce and that's it, time wasted. All people do is waste your time, even if you're not doing anything.
I figure my life should go like this
-work
-entertainment
-work
-die
and all while not giving a damn.
So in basic words, i'm just saying "Who cares? We're all going to die anyway!".
People could say I should live-life to the fullest..
Well take this into consideration, I am an "extreme agoraphobic" which basically also translates into me being a shut-in with no friends. All i need is the internet, I've grown to learn that people aren't worth it.
I mean, isn't it awesome to just be like,
ahh, the world's going to end in 2012? Whooo cares?
or
My parents just died? well.. that sucks. I get their money? hooray?
TL;DR
I don't give two-craps about anything, is this healthy?
I've been (apathetic) for many years now, to the point where I have to ACT like I care. Just recently someone was run over in front of me, and I could've gone to help, but I didn't.. I just didn't really care.
Now some people may call me a jerk and whatnot, but I ask myself, why help people when all they do is make you remember them? When people die, you cry, and feel bad, and have memories, you reminisce and that's it, time wasted. All people do is waste your time, even if you're not doing anything.
I figure my life should go like this
-work
-entertainment
-work
-die
and all while not giving a damn.
So in basic words, i'm just saying "Who cares? We're all going to die anyway!".
People could say I should live-life to the fullest..
Well take this into consideration, I am an "extreme agoraphobic" which basically also translates into me being a shut-in with no friends. All i need is the internet, I've grown to learn that people aren't worth it.
I mean, isn't it awesome to just be like,
ahh, the world's going to end in 2012? Whooo cares?
or
My parents just died? well.. that sucks. I get their money? hooray?
TL;DR
I don't give two-craps about anything, is this healthy?
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-w- dear diary: mood apathetic
if you have to act, then theres no reason to. if you simply dont care that should be ok right? i mean its your life. I try to be emotionless sometimes due to all the people trying to guilt me or trying to make me feel bad and simply there is no point. why do you try to make others happy if they dont give two shits about you right? well i cant help you. just do what you want...
if you have to act, then theres no reason to. if you simply dont care that should be ok right? i mean its your life. I try to be emotionless sometimes due to all the people trying to guilt me or trying to make me feel bad and simply there is no point. why do you try to make others happy if they dont give two shits about you right? well i cant help you. just do what you want...
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In your way, you are living your life to the fullest. I do not know your age but after five, ten or more years re-open this thread and tell me how you are doing.
Your are communicating with people on the net so you are not alone.
Your are communicating with people on the net so you are not alone.
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Renovartio wrote...
-w- dear diary: mood apatheticif you have to act, then theres no reason to. if you simply dont care that should be ok right? i mean its your life. I try to be emotionless sometimes due to all the people trying to guilt me or trying to make me feel bad and simply there is no point. why do you try to make others happy if they dont give two shits about you right? well i cant help you. just do what you want...
You've done a great help to me. Not that i didn't know this before, but yes, it's my life and i can do whatever i want. Thank you for your input, I just didn't think someone from fakku would agree to what I am saying. (If you're not agreeing that I am misunderstanding)
i'm just saying...
What i've learned from being here at fakku is that this place is swarming with moral-folks that are generally positive in life.
I want to know what's so great about caring.
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well its not a crime to not care right? I mean i act all cheery but inside i have lots of worries and doubts. So when others try to make me feel bad about things which are really got nothing to do with me why should i care?
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You say that whats the point in caring and that we all are going to die in the end so that theres really no point.
but what I think that even though there is really no point in caring about life then there also is no point in not caring either. since we all are going to die in the very end we might as well just do stuff to pass the time, right?
(but of course these are my opinions you don't have to take them into consederation if you don't want to)
but what I think that even though there is really no point in caring about life then there also is no point in not caring either. since we all are going to die in the very end we might as well just do stuff to pass the time, right?
(but of course these are my opinions you don't have to take them into consederation if you don't want to)
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Monkeysphere. if it's something i see on the news or interwebs, i usualy don't care. sometimes though, if it happens right in front of me, i can't stop myself from helping. i saved a kid from drowning once, didn't even think, just jumped. on the other hand, i saw some guy trying to show off on a bike jump off a roof, and break his leg. i couldn't stop laughing. helping or calling for help never even crossed my mind. he deserved what he got for being stupid.
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Apathy is good shit. Caring about something is nice and all, but it does fuck with your mind. Sure you'll seem heartless for not going apeshit over your parent's death, but at least you won't have to go through that emotional mindfuck other people do when they lose loved ones. A lot of the time I wish I was more callous. Sometimes it's just too easy to make an emotional impact on me, which pisses me off. One piece of advise though, don't be apathetic towards yourself.
Spoiler:
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Being apathetic at certain situations can be of good need. However, it's always bad to be too much of something.
I was going to say something next that's similar but this conveys my point clearly:
I was going to say something next that's similar but this conveys my point clearly:
Spoiler:
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I have emotions, Im just not emotional. I guess i just hide my feelings... Does that make me apathetic? I dont think so, but im not sure...
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The less you care the less it hurts when it all goes wrong.
Being apathetic isn't always a good thing. It isn't always a bad thing either.
However, take it from me; don't force yourself to have feelings. If you feel empty inside, feel empty inside and cry. If you couldn't give a damn, don't give a damn but at least be respectful to those that do. There's a fine line between apathy and insensitivity.
There may or may not be something that'll trigger you to go off eventually. If there is, then take solace in the fact that you're human. If not, shut up and get on with your life.
We're all human, but levels of humanity differ. Just take it all in your stride. People will hate you for it, but if you really didn't care then it doesn't affect you anyway.
Being apathetic isn't always a good thing. It isn't always a bad thing either.
However, take it from me; don't force yourself to have feelings. If you feel empty inside, feel empty inside and cry. If you couldn't give a damn, don't give a damn but at least be respectful to those that do. There's a fine line between apathy and insensitivity.
There may or may not be something that'll trigger you to go off eventually. If there is, then take solace in the fact that you're human. If not, shut up and get on with your life.
We're all human, but levels of humanity differ. Just take it all in your stride. People will hate you for it, but if you really didn't care then it doesn't affect you anyway.
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I bounce between a line of apathy and caring. Until a few years ago, I was a pure apathetic junkie. I really didn't find much reason to care about anything except Numero Uno. As a child I moved every few years so I never really learned how to attach to somebody as a friend. To this day I still don't have any physical friends and I don't have a problem with it...but I did have a few problems.
Firstly, I found it very hard to get motivated. I can do anything I need to do, but when it comes to doing something with extra effort, I always found it to be a pain and quit early. I've been forcing myself to go out and beyond the call of duty these past few years and it has made my life better.
Secondly, apathy and love don't mix. It's incredibly hard to even begin a relationship. How can you spark someones interests when you don't care about movies? Actors? Music? Sports? Maybe there's a secret beyond those things, but when you tell someone you don't care about any of those...they disconnect and stop conversating with you.
Firstly, I found it very hard to get motivated. I can do anything I need to do, but when it comes to doing something with extra effort, I always found it to be a pain and quit early. I've been forcing myself to go out and beyond the call of duty these past few years and it has made my life better.
Secondly, apathy and love don't mix. It's incredibly hard to even begin a relationship. How can you spark someones interests when you don't care about movies? Actors? Music? Sports? Maybe there's a secret beyond those things, but when you tell someone you don't care about any of those...they disconnect and stop conversating with you.
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I think the basic question is if you want to enjoy life.
If you never care you will not be hurt, but you will not experience the strong good feelings either.
If you do care about someone or something, then you risk getting hurt (and you probably will...) but while you have them in your life it will bring you allot of happiness.
Personally I do not think I could live my life only experiencing "weak" emotions that you get from video games or other things where you do not risk anything.
If you never care you will not be hurt, but you will not experience the strong good feelings either.
If you do care about someone or something, then you risk getting hurt (and you probably will...) but while you have them in your life it will bring you allot of happiness.
Personally I do not think I could live my life only experiencing "weak" emotions that you get from video games or other things where you do not risk anything.
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I don't care enough to take this topic seriously.
Edit: Apparently someone doesn't have a sense of humor.
Edit: Apparently someone doesn't have a sense of humor.
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Rbz wrote...
inb4 jebus says "You need help!"I lol'd.
On topic, we have emotions for a reason. They didn't just come about for no reason; it's evolution. We need to care about each other to form a society. That gets lost nowadays, since one person's actions aren't essential to the survival of a town, but it doesn't change the fact that if a person really didn't care at all about other humans, he could do a hell of a lot of damage.
You ask if not caring is healthy; despite sounding like a broken record, I have to say that it's not. If you truly, 100%, do not care about anything at all than your own survival, then you might be a psychopath. I doubt that's the case, however, as you posted this topic. On the other hand, if you've gone through some bad shit, and you've taught yourself to not care as a way of protecting yourself, you're just like many other people. You stray from the popular definition of "normal." Not caring about others can greatly inhibit the ability to start a family or have close friends, or anything else that requires you to trust and care about others. However, if you've never been interested in those kinds of things, why should you care? If you don't want a relationship or family, then where's the problem in not being able to have a good relationship? "Normal" does not equal "good." What's normal may be good for a lot of people but bad for you. If you're fine with never being close to anyone, you shouldn't do anything to change yourself.
Anyways, onto the topic of apathy in general. I've seen a growing trend lately. A lot of people act like it's cool that they don't give a fuck, as if it makes them a better person. I just see it as running away. They're scared of being hurt, so they build a wall around themselves. "My father's death won't hurt me if I don't care about him." But that neglects a large part of life. I've heard life metaphorically described as a dinner. Dishes are being passed around, and everybody wants to not take the bad-tasting vegetables and take a double-helping of steak. But that's not what life is. Life deals out good and bad, and you have to accept both.
If you refuse to get close to a person because that person will eventually die or leave, then you're keeping yourself from getting hurt, but you're also keeping yourself from feeling the job that comes from being close to another person.
Of course, that assumes that joy comes from being close to others. It may be that other people do not bring a person any joy. Generally speaking, friendships and relationships make people happy, but what about those that don't fit into that majority? Are they damaged and need to be fixed, or are they simply different? I've often thought about personality disorders and the idea that they may not be disorders but simple differences. I haven't come to any conclusion though.
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ShaggyJebus wrote...
Anyways, onto the topic of apathy in general. I've seen a growing trend lately. A lot of people act like it's cool that they don't give a fuck, as if it makes them a better person. I just see it as running away. They're scared of being hurt, so they build a wall around themselves. "My father's death won't hurt me if I don't care about him." But that neglects a large part of life. I've heard life metaphorically described as a dinner. Dishes are being passed around, and everybody wants to not take the bad-tasting vegetables and take a double-helping of steak. But that's not what life is. Life deals out good and bad, and you have to accept both.Why should they? Is it because it would make them more "normal?"
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Rbz wrote...
Why should they? Is it because it would make them more "normal?"As I said (or tried to say), "normal" isn't always good or best. It's more of a general standard. It's not for everyone. However, that doesn't mean that every person can stray from what's considered normal without repercussions. If a person wants to have healthy relationships, then dismissing emotions will greatly hinder the ability to have good relationships.
If a person wants to deny the good with the bad, then that's their decision, and they seem to understand what they are doing. But if a person wants to deny the bad and only take the good, they're expecting something that isn't realistic. Bad things happen, and if you refuse to feel anything bad, while still feeling good, you're going to be swallowing your emotions, which can result in a meltdown later on. Emotions are complex and tied into one another; a person cannot simply decide to feel some emotions and not others.
Getting further back on topic, I can understand why some people would want to feel apathetic and not care about anything, but at the same time, I have to question why those people bother to do anything. If there is no point to life, then why live? A reason I've heard (and used myself in the past) is that it's too much trouble to die. That may be true, but couldn't a person just be using that as an excuse, a shield to cover up the fact that they do not want to die? They may wish to hide the fact that they don't want to die because if they don't want to die, that means that they want to live, that there is some reason for their being alive.
We all have to come to our own conclusions regarding life, and while a person may find that there is no grand goal, he may still find a reason to be alive, even if it's as simple as "I want to feel good." I wouldn't call such a life apathetic because there is something that person likes and desires, something he cares about. On the other hand, if someone has nothing he cares about at all, why wouldn't he just throw away his life?
When I'm cleaning out my closet and come across an old toy that I haven't even seen in years, why don't I toss it out? Because I think it may be of some use. In some regard, I care about it or what it can do for me. But if I see a test from middle school, something that serves no purpose, I crumble it up and don't look back. And why? Because I am completely apathetic about the test.
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ShaggyJebus wrote...
If a person wants to deny the good with the bad, then that's their decision, and they seem to understand what they are doing. But if a person wants to deny the bad and only take the good, they're expecting something that isn't realistic. Bad things happen, and if you refuse to feel anything bad, while still feeling good, you're going to be swallowing your emotions, which can result in a meltdown later on. Emotions are complex and tied into one another; a person cannot simply decide to feel some emotions and not others.Why not? Apparently they can decide to feel no emotions toward good and bad things, why not good and not bad things? Emotions are complex, yea? What keeps the denier of good and bad from being thought of the as the guy who "swallows his emotions" and might have an emotional mindfuck later on?
Going back to your previous paragraph...
ShaggyJebus wrote...
Spoiler:
... I don't see why they have to accept the bad parts of life. It just seems like you're saying, "It's only fair that they do, because I have to feel that shit to." "Other people have to deal with it, why not him?" is what it looks like to me. That's what I meant by more "normal." You know, because they're "running away."