Bullying
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devsonfire
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Chronus14 wrote...
I agree with you, there is a lacking in my side. Perhaps I am raised that way. Independent. Though, i still yearn for parental support. Thank you.
You are so welcome! :D
darknessblade wrote...
The most simple answer is.
Give the child thats bullied a fake but real looking machine-gun. this will scare the bully away.
Story the child has to make up: My father is an army general and told me to handle guns so i can join the army when i come of age.
The bullies never come back
That's if the child isn't scared to do so at the first place, since it will attract unwanted attention and it might make it worse
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darknessblade wrote...
The most simple answer is.Give the child thats bullied a fake but real looking machine-gun. this will scare the bully away.
There is no simple answer to this, because this might scare the bully away or might not.
I work with grown up people their problems by dealing with the original causes from their childhoods and youth. I had several clients with aggression problems as grown ups, because they never learned to deal with their problems in a non violent way.
I had clients who were over 30 years old and got into violent fights on regular base, because they learned as kids that violence is THE solution to their problems. I had clients who used to be bullied and clients who were bullies. The bullies were mostly scared little kids, who had either tough fathers or mothers, who were teaching them that this is a tough world and that you better be mean to others before they have the chance to be mean to you. Some of those bullies were abused and/or terrorized by their parents or even other bullies.
It is not so rare that victims become aggressors and do the same terrible things they experienced to others.
Every one of us is the direct result of circumstances we were born in. Bullies weren't born that way, someone or something made them into this. That doesn't excuse their behavior - but let's not forget then childhood bullies are kids themselves and just don't know better, as any other kid in their age.
But what I want to say is that violence and preaching violence is not the solution. Teaching your kid to use fake weapons may turn your kid into a teen who uses real weapons (i.e. knifes) to deal with every conflict. Teaching your kid to beat the crap out of the kid, who keeps calling him fatty or nerd or geek or freak or whatever, may turn your kid into a bully, who beats the crap out of everybody who says something the kid doesn't like.
I don't want to raise future delinquents. Do you?
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littleRED wrote...
darknessblade wrote...
The most simple answer is.Give the child thats bullied a fake but real looking machine-gun. this will scare the bully away.
There is no simple answer to this, because this might scare the bully away or might not.
I work with grown up people their problems by dealing with the original causes from their childhoods and youth. I had several clients with aggression problems as grown ups, because they never learned to deal with their problems in a non violent way.
I had clients who were over 30 years old and got into violent fights on regular base, because they learned as kids that violence is THE solution to their problems. I had clients who used to be bullied and clients who were bullies. The bullies were mostly scared little kids, who had either tough fathers or mothers, who were teaching them that this is a tough world and that you better be mean to others before they have the chance to be mean to you. Some of those bullies were abused and/or terrorized by their parents or even other bullies.
It is not so rare that victims become aggressors and do the same terrible things they experienced to others.
Every one of us is the direct result of circumstances we were born in. Bullies weren't born that way, someone or something made them into this. That doesn't excuse their behavior - but let's not forget then childhood bullies are kids themselves and just don't know better, as any other kid in their age.
But what I want to say is that violence and preaching violence is not the solution. Teaching your kid to use fake weapons may turn your kid into a teen who uses real weapons (i.e. knifes) to deal with every conflict. Teaching your kid to beat the crap out of the kid, who keeps calling him fatty or nerd or geek or freak or whatever, may turn your kid into a bully, who beats the crap out of everybody who says something the kid doesn't like.
I don't want to raise future delinquents. Do you?
Such looooong explanation...
I think he is just kidding.
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I got bullied for two years, was already going through depression at that point and contemplated suicide quite a few times. My parents worked long hours, 12+ each so i grew up from about 7-15 with very little contact with them other than the occasional hello, i'm hungry or i'm going to the toilet. Bullying is a tough issue because no kid wants to be "that" guy, the outcast. It's often hard for a child to tell anyone let alone their parents they're being bullied, more so for me because i knew my parents as well as i knew calculus formulas and they the same.
I don't want to tell my entire life story, but from my experiences and how i ultimately ended up conquering bullying and my depression was, as cliche as it sounds - friends. Actual friends and an ideology to ignore bullies. I think as a parent the worst thing a parent can do is tell the school or try to impose on their child's school life. The best thing a parent can do is try to be aware of the situation, be there for support but not try to force the issue, and teach the child the correct way and positive way of thinking about things like that through example and care. I think my parents made the right decision to have the trust in me that i would develop my own resolve and i'm thankful for that.
I don't want to tell my entire life story, but from my experiences and how i ultimately ended up conquering bullying and my depression was, as cliche as it sounds - friends. Actual friends and an ideology to ignore bullies. I think as a parent the worst thing a parent can do is tell the school or try to impose on their child's school life. The best thing a parent can do is try to be aware of the situation, be there for support but not try to force the issue, and teach the child the correct way and positive way of thinking about things like that through example and care. I think my parents made the right decision to have the trust in me that i would develop my own resolve and i'm thankful for that.
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I would honestly tell my child to stop being such a pussy & fight back. At some level there may be a deep reasoning behind a bully's bullying, but in the end I cant be sympathetic towards someone who decided to fuck with the wrong child. I would quite clearly lay out how I approve of tearing such a person apart. If it appears that no physical solution would help no matter how many dirty tactics or weapons are used, then I would sit my child down & come up with a simple, yet effective enough to carve thoroughly into the brain of the bully to NEVER ever fuck with my child, or possibly any other ever again. After all, they are children anyways so coming up with a detailed enough plan to disarm one isnt at all difficult, just more time consuming. I would even help create excuses &/or escape plans should things go slightly awry. Cant say its pretty, but in the end Id be far more interested in my childs comforts & progression, rather than dealing with some bullshit situation where I have to care about the children that arent even mine, & even worse are fucking with mine. But thats just the type of parent I figure I would be.
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My favorite method of dealing with bullies is to trick them into liking you, then rebuking them with a following inquiry into the behavior.
Failing this a head lock and a detailed philosophical analysis of their behavior resulting in them being ashamed of every fibre of their being or in attacking me outright allowing me to beat them does the trick for me. (run on sentence)
In general, just confront them long enough to do your buisness and then get support of numbers or shove off to your next bit of buisness.
The only place I have a problem with bullies is when somebody much younger and smaller than me is doing it...
Failing this a head lock and a detailed philosophical analysis of their behavior resulting in them being ashamed of every fibre of their being or in attacking me outright allowing me to beat them does the trick for me. (run on sentence)
In general, just confront them long enough to do your buisness and then get support of numbers or shove off to your next bit of buisness.
The only place I have a problem with bullies is when somebody much younger and smaller than me is doing it...
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Data Zero wrote...
Use Violence. Certainly worked for me. And the bullies got expelled to. Worked for me as well. The only difference with me is the bully in question and 3 of his friends ended up in hospital with broken bones.
(If your wondering, the first bully attacked me, I broke his arm in 2 places. His friends stepped in to help him beat me up, 1 broken leg and 2 broken arms, and a fucked elbow. No one ever messed with me after that.)
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Back when I was a kid I should have used violence earlier to stop kids fucking with me.
Though if you're of jailable age then something other than violence would be better since assault doesn't exactly look good on your resume.
Though if you're of jailable age then something other than violence would be better since assault doesn't exactly look good on your resume.
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devsonfire
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spectre257 wrote...
Back when I was a kid I should have used violence earlier to stop kids fucking with me. Though if you're of jailable age then something other than violence would be better since assault doesn't exactly look good on your resume.
Yeah, and I think people are mature enough not to use violence, but verbal assault my sound like a pussy.
So, it's kind of hard to decide what method to use to get the bully out of your fucking life.
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EZ-2789 wrote...
littleRED wrote...
BTW let's not forget that bullies may be children who get abused themselves and are as much victims as the kids they bully.Agree with everything you said, ESPECIALLY this. For a parent, it may often be easy to overlook the fact that sometimes the people bullying our children are children themselves facing personal issues of their own.
Kinda mind-boggling how many things actually influence these kind of situations. Social psychologists would have field days with these cases.
(The following assumes the bully is about elementary or middle school age)
I really want to respond to this with some cunning soltution, but thinking about it is giving me a head ache...
The best I can come up with is mobilizing the community, and trying to provide the bully with stuff to do that makes them feel less worthless. Teach them rock climbing or take them to a ranch...
How do you get a bully to care about his community though? Make them feel like they have a duty to perform, and instill in them pride for performing it... Ideas?
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Drifter995
Neko//Night
WolfgangLuciferMclain wrote...
EZ-2789 wrote...
littleRED wrote...
BTW let's not forget that bullies may be children who get abused themselves and are as much victims as the kids they bully.Agree with everything you said, ESPECIALLY this. For a parent, it may often be easy to overlook the fact that sometimes the people bullying our children are children themselves facing personal issues of their own.
Kinda mind-boggling how many things actually influence these kind of situations. Social psychologists would have field days with these cases.
(The following assumes the bully is about elementary or middle school age)
I really want to respond to this with some cunning soltution, but thinking about it is giving me a head ache...
The best I can come up with is mobilizing the community, and trying to provide the bully with stuff to do that makes them feel less worthless. Teach them rock climbing or take them to a ranch...
How do you get a bully to care about his community though? Make them feel like they have a duty to perform, and instill in them pride for performing it... Ideas?
Get the community to help stop their parents abusing them (as said earlier, in most cases, bullies come from houses where they are abused themselves) perhaps?
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Drifter995 wrote...
WolfgangLuciferMclain wrote...
EZ-2789 wrote...
littleRED wrote...
BTW let's not forget that bullies may be children who get abused themselves and are as much victims as the kids they bully.Agree with everything you said, ESPECIALLY this. For a parent, it may often be easy to overlook the fact that sometimes the people bullying our children are children themselves facing personal issues of their own.
Kinda mind-boggling how many things actually influence these kind of situations. Social psychologists would have field days with these cases.
(The following assumes the bully is about elementary or middle school age)
I really want to respond to this with some cunning soltution, but thinking about it is giving me a head ache...
The best I can come up with is mobilizing the community, and trying to provide the bully with stuff to do that makes them feel less worthless. Teach them rock climbing or take them to a ranch...
How do you get a bully to care about his community though? Make them feel like they have a duty to perform, and instill in them pride for performing it... Ideas?
Get the community to help stop their parents abusing them (as said earlier, in most cases, bullies come from houses where they are abused themselves) perhaps?
I know that two of the schools I worked at did that, apparently with some success.
Personally I have an aversion to it, just as a matter of bias concerning the parents. But when I think about it rationally it is probably a good idea. How to go about it though?
Call them in for a meeting without the child there to address some "concerns" regarding their child's behavior, then mildly bring up that you were wondering if there might be some issues at home...
Or you could call a parent conference to address bullying in school and then cover how bullying gets started at home, how to recognize and prevent it...
I do not know how effective this would be.
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I don't have children, so I can only share my experience.
I was an easy target as a child. Book worm, teacher's pet; the works really. What set me stand apart from garden variety nerds I guess is that (humility aside) I exceled at sports. I loved (and still love) hard, physical labor. I feel most alive when undertaking any physical activity that requires my full concentration and leaves me completely exhausted. As a teenager I was an active body builder, but kept to my beloved nerdy ways. When I was 15, I met the worst bully I ever knew. He loved making me buy his lunch, do his homework and even smack me around. Physically I was imposing to him, but not a threat at all. I guess I was also a people pleaser.
When he began to cross the line, instead of trying to retaliate head-on, I found it wiser to study this person. I learned he had lost his mother a few years back, how his father was almost never around and in general how everyone disliked him. I let him know that he has crossing the line too much and kindly asked him to stop with the bullying. He of course laughed in my face and punched me for good measure. When dialouge fails, as that's left is to strike. Instead of physical struggle, I simply brought out all the fruits of my investigation. Before the eyes of my class, he was reduced to a pile of weeping tears without me throwing a single punch. He left me alone after that and transfered out at the end of the year.
One must teach their children, in good Christian fashion, to turn the other cheek. One must also however, teach them how to defend themselves, especially against those who don't want and will not listen to reason. I have a younger sister who has literally smacked bullies for not leaving her alone. One of their parents actually filed a complaint at her school. Me and my father went to hear it out. We took her out to buy a present of her choosing after that, because we were so proud she had defended herself against an idiot kid who thought it was cool to try and bully girls.
I was an easy target as a child. Book worm, teacher's pet; the works really. What set me stand apart from garden variety nerds I guess is that (humility aside) I exceled at sports. I loved (and still love) hard, physical labor. I feel most alive when undertaking any physical activity that requires my full concentration and leaves me completely exhausted. As a teenager I was an active body builder, but kept to my beloved nerdy ways. When I was 15, I met the worst bully I ever knew. He loved making me buy his lunch, do his homework and even smack me around. Physically I was imposing to him, but not a threat at all. I guess I was also a people pleaser.
When he began to cross the line, instead of trying to retaliate head-on, I found it wiser to study this person. I learned he had lost his mother a few years back, how his father was almost never around and in general how everyone disliked him. I let him know that he has crossing the line too much and kindly asked him to stop with the bullying. He of course laughed in my face and punched me for good measure. When dialouge fails, as that's left is to strike. Instead of physical struggle, I simply brought out all the fruits of my investigation. Before the eyes of my class, he was reduced to a pile of weeping tears without me throwing a single punch. He left me alone after that and transfered out at the end of the year.
One must teach their children, in good Christian fashion, to turn the other cheek. One must also however, teach them how to defend themselves, especially against those who don't want and will not listen to reason. I have a younger sister who has literally smacked bullies for not leaving her alone. One of their parents actually filed a complaint at her school. Me and my father went to hear it out. We took her out to buy a present of her choosing after that, because we were so proud she had defended herself against an idiot kid who thought it was cool to try and bully girls.
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WolfgangLuciferMclain wrote...
EZ-2789 wrote...
littleRED wrote...
BTW let's not forget that bullies may be children who get abused themselves and are as much victims as the kids they bully.Agree with everything you said, ESPECIALLY this. For a parent, it may often be easy to overlook the fact that sometimes the people bullying our children are children themselves facing personal issues of their own.
Kinda mind-boggling how many things actually influence these kind of situations. Social psychologists would have field days with these cases.
(The following assumes the bully is about elementary or middle school age)
I really want to respond to this with some cunning soltution, but thinking about it is giving me a head ache...
The best I can come up with is mobilizing the community, and trying to provide the bully with stuff to do that makes them feel less worthless. Teach them rock climbing or take them to a ranch...
How do you get a bully to care about his community though? Make them feel like they have a duty to perform, and instill in them pride for performing it... Ideas?
A form of rehabilitation, I suppose... trying to find a way to teach these kids that they don't need to do the things they do in order to get attention or feel empowered. Something of the sort would definitely be a good step in the right direction.
The biggest obstacle is whether or not the whole community would actually want to invest their time and money into a program like that. Some people might just opt for the easy choice and punish the kid.
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EZ-2789 wrote...
WolfgangLuciferMclain wrote...
EZ-2789 wrote...
littleRED wrote...
BTW let's not forget that bullies may be children who get abused themselves and are as much victims as the kids they bully.Agree with everything you said, ESPECIALLY this. For a parent, it may often be easy to overlook the fact that sometimes the people bullying our children are children themselves facing personal issues of their own.
Kinda mind-boggling how many things actually influence these kind of situations. Social psychologists would have field days with these cases.
(The following assumes the bully is about elementary or middle school age)
I really want to respond to this with some cunning soltution, but thinking about it is giving me a head ache...
The best I can come up with is mobilizing the community, and trying to provide the bully with stuff to do that makes them feel less worthless. Teach them rock climbing or take them to a ranch...
How do you get a bully to care about his community though? Make them feel like they have a duty to perform, and instill in them pride for performing it... Ideas?
A form of rehabilitation, I suppose... trying to find a way to teach these kids that they don't need to do the things they do in order to get attention or feel empowered. Something of the sort would definitely be a good step in the right direction.
The biggest obstacle is whether or not the whole community would actually want to invest their time and money into a program like that. Some people might just opt for the easy choice and punish the kid.
As we can see clearly by the posts in this topic, most people would prefer punishment and violence as a solution. Teaching children that violence is THE solution for everything is a big mistake in my opinion.
Children who show that form of aggressive behavior need therapy, not punishment. They need to understand that what they are doing is not the way to go and that are other solutions and possibilities to deal with their hurt/anger/fear/fill-in-the-blank.
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I used to psycho analyze my bullies. They would get really pissed off when I started to point out their insecurities which they were trying to mask by picking on me. Its usually better to do it in a public place where you can embarrass them.
But either way, bullying is part of growing up. Not everyone is going to be nice to you in the real world. I'd let my kid figure it out him/her-self. If it got really bad I'd call a parent and get things straightened out.
But either way, bullying is part of growing up. Not everyone is going to be nice to you in the real world. I'd let my kid figure it out him/her-self. If it got really bad I'd call a parent and get things straightened out.
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Beth_chan wrote...
I used to psycho analyze my bullies. They would get really pissed off when I started to point out their insecurities which they were trying to mask by picking on me. Its usually better to do it in a public place where you can embarrass them.But either way, bullying is part of growing up. Not everyone is going to be nice to you in the real world. I'd let my kid figure it out him/her-self. If it got really bad I'd call a parent and get things straightened out.
I do not agree with you completely, but I think it is a good point that coddling too much should be avoided. It is also worth noting that not every instance of bullying arises from deep seated problems that need therapy.
However, I think that we are talking about more serious instances.
Oh, here is a good question: What do you do if your child is a bully? Not a teased someone for thirty seconds over a bad hair cut bully, but a harasses wimps for money then gives them a swirly everyday bully.
I think my immediate reaction would be to pull them from school for awhile, remove them from an obviously aggravating enviornment. Then schedule a few appointments with the school in hopes of discovering more about his circumstances.
I would also be kicking myself in the ass.
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Even more so than the professionals I think I would know the best ways to deal with bullies because I know the bullies point of view.
In my experience, In my 11th class there was this boy who was super annoying to everyone in the class(he was white), and there another boy who didnt do anything to anyone, but its was funny the way he acted.(he was black). Now the white boy was wimpy and majority of the class would pick on him all the time(including myself) and no matter how many times he went to the teachers or other school officials the situation wasnt remedied. The same didnt go for the black boy he was tall and weighed a good 230 pounds so he could have easily beaten up any1 of his bullies (including myself whos only 5'9 weighing 157 pounds). But no matter how much he retaliated we just took his hits and laughed it off, because despite his size he didnt hit hard at all. The black boy always got results when telling school officials and we would get detentions but his bullying never stopped. On the other hand the white boy would tell his father which bore no results until the dean at school had realized that he was a writer for sports illustrated magazines. Now continuing, telling the parent didnt remedy the situation because the bullying continued until the boy transferred.
So I think the way to overcome a bully is to hurt them mentally. What we saw as harmless fun was ruining the school life of another, and if you pay attention the bullying actions are fueled by the reactions to spectators. So the way to overcome the bully is to embarrass them in front of the spectators.
I think beating the bully up wont work because the bully wont learn his lesson and will strike back when you are most vulnerable. Telling parents wont work well at all time because the bullyin can get his revenge before he is punished. But if you mentally attack the bully they will no longer be able to continue.
For those who want to know ways to embarrass the bully, you just have to observe there are only a handful of people who have hard to find faults(if one of them is you bully, your shit out of luck), you could insult them in wittty ways to gain the laughter of their audience.
In my experience, In my 11th class there was this boy who was super annoying to everyone in the class(he was white), and there another boy who didnt do anything to anyone, but its was funny the way he acted.(he was black). Now the white boy was wimpy and majority of the class would pick on him all the time(including myself) and no matter how many times he went to the teachers or other school officials the situation wasnt remedied. The same didnt go for the black boy he was tall and weighed a good 230 pounds so he could have easily beaten up any1 of his bullies (including myself whos only 5'9 weighing 157 pounds). But no matter how much he retaliated we just took his hits and laughed it off, because despite his size he didnt hit hard at all. The black boy always got results when telling school officials and we would get detentions but his bullying never stopped. On the other hand the white boy would tell his father which bore no results until the dean at school had realized that he was a writer for sports illustrated magazines. Now continuing, telling the parent didnt remedy the situation because the bullying continued until the boy transferred.
So I think the way to overcome a bully is to hurt them mentally. What we saw as harmless fun was ruining the school life of another, and if you pay attention the bullying actions are fueled by the reactions to spectators. So the way to overcome the bully is to embarrass them in front of the spectators.
I think beating the bully up wont work because the bully wont learn his lesson and will strike back when you are most vulnerable. Telling parents wont work well at all time because the bullyin can get his revenge before he is punished. But if you mentally attack the bully they will no longer be able to continue.
For those who want to know ways to embarrass the bully, you just have to observe there are only a handful of people who have hard to find faults(if one of them is you bully, your shit out of luck), you could insult them in wittty ways to gain the laughter of their audience.
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the devils are on fire wrote...
spectre257 wrote...
Back when I was a kid I should have used violence earlier to stop kids fucking with me. Though if you're of jailable age then something other than violence would be better since assault doesn't exactly look good on your resume.
Yeah, and I think people are mature enough not to use violence, but verbal assault my sound like a pussy.
So, it's kind of hard to decide what method to use to get the bully out of your fucking life.
Hey if your kid isn't strong enough or doesn't like fighting, verbal assults on a bully that's alone with no friends around is like a kick to the balls.
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Honestly, I don't see bullying happening in my school. I suppose it's because many people in my school come from well-known families.
Though, honestly bullying is just stupid. If I saw a person at school bullying another, I would really come up to that person and have a "talk". I mean, I can be intimidating at times. I don't think violence is a good solution. In my school, if a person was caught bullying someone, they would have an incident report. This goes on your permanent record and you will forever be remembered as... you know. They keep a close eye on you, and could probably put you on probation. Bad behavior can get you kicked out of my school.
Though, honestly bullying is just stupid. If I saw a person at school bullying another, I would really come up to that person and have a "talk". I mean, I can be intimidating at times. I don't think violence is a good solution. In my school, if a person was caught bullying someone, they would have an incident report. This goes on your permanent record and you will forever be remembered as... you know. They keep a close eye on you, and could probably put you on probation. Bad behavior can get you kicked out of my school.