Digital strip search

I'm sorry for bringing up politics but has obama made a rule for somthing like this?

I would laugh at knowing I was right about him if it wasn't so damn scary knowing that I was right. Things like this are the reason why I am so avidly against expansion of governmental powers and influence. Maybe people who got swept up in Obamania will finally come to their senses, I doubt they will though.

I hope this administration turns out to be a wake up call to Americans. That politicians only tell them what they want to hear for votes. These bastards don't believe in this shit they feed you. Warning them that this blind partisanship, the lemming way of voting solely on party rather than policies is not the way to run a country.

As a clip in the video said "This is change, you can't believe."

Already, he's broken promises and begun an invasion of our liberties while expanding governments control by leaps and bounds. Selecting a bunch of criminals and political insiders as his cabinet when claiming he was going to break up the "ole boys club". Claiming transparency when he pulled the overnight bullshit with the "stimulus" and this secrecy of policy making. Same shit, different asshole.

This is exactly what I said would happen. We'd lose our rights as americans.

Fuck, I knew we'd get some bullshit laws, but this takes the cake. Digital searching? That's fucking invasion of privacy. Already a contradictory law right there.

At least its good I hadn't on traveling any time soon.

We already had a topic sort of about this issue, though it was a different aspect and placed in 'Random'. I think it was the one from the Czech republic reporting on copyright accords between the US and the EU that hadn't yet been completed. This is something that hasn't been worked out yet on many levels.



-from one of the articles on the subject

Notice that it says "currently negotiating" "international partners" and "proposed agreement." We have a long way to go before this mess is cleared up, and I haven't found any reliable sources that make it clear who exactly wants what in these agreements. Even if Obama and the EU decide to move forward(though our lovely friends in the Czech Republic and from Russia Today like to pretend that this is all the fault of evil America and that awful Obama), congress has to ratify.

I am honestly much more concerned with this: Court Says Search of Laptop is Legal

This issue is also something that has been going on for a while, Obama didn't just decide that now we are going to start searching peoples' electronic devices. Airport Searches of Laptops . . .

To clarify, the worst case scenario with ACTA is not that laptops can be searched and that you can be prosecuted for illegal digital possessions, that has already been happening, but details on how to deal with copyright violating digital possessions are being discussed with ACTA and the EU.

I'm not saying that Obama has been the savior of humanity, as some of his more ardent followers seem to be waiting for, but let's at least criticize him and hold him accountable for things that he has done, not things that unreliable sources are accusing him of or things we maybe heard he might possibly do.

There have been so many conspiracy theories about Obama (despite his being president for less than six months; what a fucking world), that I'm not sure what to believe. So, I won't believe anything said about Obama until it actually happens and I have real proof of it. Good or bad news.

Anyways, about searching laptops at airports and such, what would happen if I was getting on a plane with my laptop and they wanted to search it, but I had it password protected? Could they actually arrest me if I refused to give them the password?

Searching computers for child porn or whatever doesn't even make sense. It's not like checking all computers and deleting CP will actually get rid of it. Shit, if I had a ton of CP and wanted to "smuggle" it from one country to another, I would just put it all into a winrar file, upload it to Megaupload or Rapidshare and password-protect it, and download it once I'm in another country. (Or send it to someone in another country with instructions.)

since when did the obama administration start digging its nose into the worries of the entertainment industries?...and when has the scope of national security been drummed down to fining illegal music downloads?...though i'm actually quite curious to see how they can actually ratify something that confronts the very principles of civil liberty(or do they intend to demolish that as well?)...-_-

I'm moving to japan if that happens. Even with their crappy economy, I can't stand to see this already crumbling country fall on top of itself. This country is tripping, and it's tripping on a solid piece of concrete. That's just how sad our failing government is.

I'm sure the punishment would be along the lines of interfering with an investigation



They weren't speaking of child porn specifically they were really meaning "shared" music, movies, games,etc. Which you can't prove that you d/l'd your music or movies without the case in your hand. So they can just say you stole them and confiscate your laptop or your mp3 player, fine you and such.

I don't see this as the government sticking its nose into the entertainment industries woes like Nate said. I see this as pushing an agenda of government control. These things take time and this is the first step. It's not like they would do these sorts of things overnight they do it gradually, slowly.

I don't like this thing at all to be quite frank. If this thing does get rectified, and I hope not, I'm gonna have to leave my shit home if I go mostly everywhere. I have mp3's from my favorite anime both on my cell and laptop. And I doubt that'd they'd just let me go without labeling that stolen. :roll:

ok. i don't at the current moment have a laptop, i will in about two months though. but if i had a laptop with the same content of my home comp, i'd be in trouble. my phone also has "pirated" ringtones on it.

the obama administration is doing so poorly at their job so far, that i'm actually scared for the future. this is significant because i don't give a crap about anything. ever. i'm, tired of the government. what ever happened to the saying "People should not be afraid of their government. The government should be afraid of their people." i hope the dumb asses that voted for obama are happy. no, actually i don't. i hope they are unhappy and regretting the decision that they made. i hope that they see what they did and what is happening to this country because of their collective decision. we are slowly rapidly becoming the socialist/communist states of America. i hope the American public understand enough to know that the time to take action is now. we have to power to knock obama and congress off their towers. he needs to get impeached before any other of our right or liberties are taken from us.

that was simply a euphemistic way of putting shit...though the outlook of things might insinuate more than just confounding the public with some sort of propaganda...the way i see it, "pushing agenda" remains the core while the enforcement of this so called anti counterfeiting policy will harvest more than just the for government...

Are you actually trying to say that if the republicans won things would be any different? What people don't seem to realize is that both the democrats and the republicans are batting for the same team. The difference between Obama and another politician amounts to a smile and a wink before he rapes you.

Capitalism is not about "freedom" or "democracy", it just eats away at them, and what you see here is a result of this. This is a result of a society which places the accumulation of material wealth over the affirmation of quality-of-living of it's people.

There has been no mention of capitalism. This is several governments overstepping their limits as governments. A government can NOT do anything that I myself can't. The government gets it's power from its citizens that then in turn lend those rights to the government. Its part of our whole "social contract".

I don't think this is a correct interpretation of how this stuff works in regards copyright law. Some forms of media have digital copyright code written into them, and the versions of them that are "shared" are identifiable because they have been cracked. Even so, the burden of proof would be on accuser in to show that the material violated copyright agreements. Burden of proof is a bit easier in the case of child porn.



Seconded, this is not related to capitalism. It's related to the question of border and national security weighed against personal liberty. We have accepted the idea that we can't let people walk on planes with unsearched boxes because of their privacy, but we are still working out how far the tradeoff should go.

Since I frequently trave,l I'm already familiar with "Digital Strip Searching" and the truth is they have already been doing this since the Bush administration. I when I was in the line for immigration at Detroit they checked my cd case holder for pirated items. On the news in the Philippines somebody was deported from the USA for having Zerox copies of Nursing textbooks, because it violated copy right laws. That's why I keep a USB with me and keep all my important files saved there instead of my laptop.

Recent social "mentality" changes have begun to shift the responsibility of proving innocence on the accused rather than the accuser having to prove guilt. As well as the mentality that somebody is guilty until proven innocent instead of what it should be.

This is probably a poor example but, a man was taking pictures of his children on a slide in a public park. Several women started accusing him of being a child molester/sick freak/etc and even called the cops. The cop sided with the women until the man was able to prove that the children he was taking pictures of were indeed his own children.

Though the digital copyright code is a saving point but, how impractical would it really be to check every program on a person laptop before allowing them entry? Checking their O.S., their media players, winrars, music, games, etc. Airport security is already strict and mind numbingly slow this will just increase the waiting time

Whoa O_o I can't believe how lucky I am to have that not happened even once at all to me so far. Sure, I've had my laptop scanned for bombs and some kind of fluffy poky stick touch the sides. That only happened like twice. And I entered an airport five times this school year, when spring quarter ends, it'll be my sixth time. If my laptop gets confiscated, I guarantee I will rise a scene. MY MONEY! FALCON PUNCH!

No way they'll be able to confiscate my laptop without drawing unwanted attention. I don't even have a single piece of music on my laptop, so if some unintelligent monkey push pirated music on me I'll own them so easy.

And naturally I won't allow them to poke around on my laptop and see it's contents. I don't mind if they see parts but not my contents, it's mine not yours.

They cannot kinda just forcibly browse the contents of your pc just yet, only reason they have easy time searching laptops is because you carry them on your person. Bah. =/

I'm more likely to smash my laptop on cop's head before i allow them to steal my laptop.

Honestly, it was made popular by a movie that was a very-thinly veiled metaphor for how shitty the Bush administration was. At least, that's been its importance in the last fifty years in the US.

Plus, what's with the whole "O noes, America is becoming communistic!" stuff? I've heard that said so much recently, and it doesn't make much sense. If America was becoming a "horrible" Communistic country, the government wouldn't be bailing out big companies; it'd be dismantling big companies, making everyone become farmers, and doing a huge cross-country check to make sure that all citizens have a place to stay and food (and later on, A TV in every bedroom, a car in every garage, blah blah blah).

Furthermore, all this shit at the airport started when Bush was president. Checking out laptops if just an extension of it. Obama didn't become president, and then everything went to hell. It was already hell, or close to it.

I'm not saying Obama has done everything right in his 100 days of being the president, but he's not the evil boogey-man that so many people like to say he is. I understand Fpod saying stuff like that (and I'll admit that he has some damn good points), but he was saying it before Obama even took office. It seems that the majority of the internet wanted Ron Paul to win, then wanted Obama to win (and very much so), and now have turned completely against Obama. There's even a conspiracy video made by the guy who made Zeitgeist. It took him months to make one about the Bush administration, but apparently Obama is such a monster, that he needed a video before two full months of his presidency had even passed. What the hell?

I'm gonna be honest,why must they care so much about our computers don't they have other business's to deal with...like the problems we have,the money the taxes,the soldiers? but noooooooo the government must make a law about our computers and MP3 players

some change we got -.-

Really? They don't look at the USB? :shock: