Discussion on child pornography

Hello dear Fakku users and moderators,

So, i've been recently bothered by the fact that downloading doujins/manga from Fakku.com could result in me becoming a criminal according to this sentence in The Law of Pornographic Restrictions:


So i was wondering, from your perspective, be it user or a mod, what do you think about this (I am sure most have given at least some thought to this matter...)

And also a good question to moderators or admins, has Fakku.com had any problems with the law because of the contents it offers to view/download?

Thanks for your time,
Marts

No Worries there is no loli/shota manga here.

And my thoughts on it is... up to the site if they want it.

There's no need to concern yourself. This has been discussed on so many threads before, and you have nothing to worry about. In short, that particular law is stupid as hell, and no one is going to knock on your door for having loli on your computer. And Fakku! doesn't allow the upload of loli content anymore (sadly).

True but it's still a good idea to not tell people about it, cause if you get into bad terms with someone, they can send the cops after you (this did happen)

Furthermore, just like i've read on several sites on the internet, manga is very problematic for this law. Since it is more or less 90% of personal opinion about the image in question(except for the obvious shota and loli, which, thank god, i'm not a fan of...)
But still, since i have nothing against flat chests, this law could make me a criminal <.<

So, are Fakku! users doomed for eternal solitude in real life, if they choose not to hide that they are Fakku! users? :/
Not that i'm gonna stop visiting Fakku! XD
They can eat my dust for all i care.

P.S. For some reason, I feel extremely sorry for those with such fetishes at the moment. I mean, it's not like it's a choice to have such a fetish. Just like overly huge boobs are sickening for me.

EDIT: Wanted to add thanks the previous posters, you've eased my mind a little.

It's pretty damn hard to pretend that I give a hoot about this cause:

1. I don't have that type of fetish
2. I live in Canada, so the law doesn't affect me.

But I'll just give you my thoughts. The main idea is that as other people have pointed out, cops aren't going to bust down the door to check you computer for loli material. If they did, then your country has a big problem. The other main thing is that very few people openly admit they watch hentai, even less of them will admit they like loli (which, unfortunately, in the eyes of the average-joe, counts as being a pedophile).

It's not really the fact that it's loli, but more of the fact that very few people in this world is willing to spill out what their fetish is, even if it's "real."

Besides, when you say there is no such thing is "solitude" as long as the internet exists. Sure you might not be able to physically meet and interact with those with the same interests as you, but you can still talk on Fakku or MSN or whatever you use.

You're giving these pathetic laws way too much importance. You should be the one who decides what to like, and what fetishes to have or not to have, not some beurocratic dipshit(s). Imo, you shouldn't feel thankfull for not having "abnormal" fetishes or sorry for those who do. I have loads of "abnormal" fetishes and I don't give a fuck who disregards me for being who I am. Fetishes do not make someone a better or worse individual as long as they are kept from harming or forcing someone into engaging in them. For example: I am a big fan of loli, but I would never rape a little girl, not because I'd find it physically disgusting, but because my love for children and the childhood concept (and that it should not be taken away) is greater than my lust for such things, and that will always stop me from depriving a young one of their innocence.

In fiction, I always like to see either consensual sex or rape with kids, but in real life, that's vile and I'd kill anyone who forces children into such things, if I could. That's just one example, but the same principle applies to all my fetishes that include forcing someone to do something against their will.

Besides, some laws (most) are made in such a way, so that the majority is pleased. That said, I'd be willing to bet that, if most people were into loli/shota/beast etc, the government wouldn't have banned them. So it's not a question about what's right and wrong, but about what the masses of people want, almost regardless of it's moral nature.

Well i don't go to Fakku.com, i only use Fakku.net.

If you're that much of a chickenshit about this sort of thing then don't freaken download and/or read hentai online anymore. Simple as that.

And don't whine about it.

And I don't see how this is serious discussion material as it is more you seeking advice on a simple matter.

don't look at pedo things then.
i was reading a doujin here and kinda stopped when the young'en came in. Plus if it doesn't say what it is and u accidently come across it, you're legally fine

@Umnut Well, probably i am giving the law too much importance, but although there are no wars and it is supposed to be a more-or-less free world, but why would we spend time telling the police that "it was a mistake"(and be just PROBABLY fine, but possibly get a criminal record, like someone who HAS raped a child), if the law is supposed to protect people and is being uphold thanks to my taxes?

@Kalistean Oi, oi, don't start insulting people of being cowards - i think that almost everyone who are on Fakku! don't give a damn about what others think(yes, your not the only one...), but the fact that it's beginning to seem like i'm not openly going to Fakku.net on my laptop because i would get in trouble with the law seems to be becoming more accurate(which implies that i am a coward). BTW, I don't go to Fakku.net from my laptop in public because i don't want to bother other people with "interesting" images, everyone should respect the people around them(again, yes, your not the only one who thinks that...)

And the law is a serious discussion - it kills people as much as it saves them :/

P.S. Wops. I meant Fakku.net (Bad mistake, i agree...)

As a side note, I would not argue against Kali. It's pointless. He's stubborn and you can't change his mind. He'll also insult you at any chance he gets.

Arguing with Kalistean is like trying to hollow out Mount Everest with a shovel

But back to the original topic

There should not be any problem, as they are not clear with their definition of "child"

All the characters in Fakku should be 16+

Edit: SHOULD be 16+

=)

Screw that law man, Freedom of expression and all that jazz.
2D world and 3D world should stay separate.

Heh, i've had a huge shitload of stubborn people in my life and the king of stubbornness is living next door, so i don't care. Also, isn't insulting other users against the rules?...

Back to the topic.

I COMPLEATLY agree with Hikamikazesama, but the thing is that it doesn't seems like the public agrees with us. Or at least the laws. From what i've read about 2 cases involving arrest for possessing manga that is "supposed" to show child-pornography, although statics also prove that there is no relation between actual child pornography and manga, it seems like "defender of the law" cannot separate reality from fiction. It would be alright if we ignore it and do whatever we want(as intelligent people), but then it makes us scared little pussies that are begging for no one to find out about our hobbies(i know this isn't true, but if i try to look from a bystander viewpoint, it looks exactly like that). Not even mentioning the fact that we are supporting this same law with our taxes >.<

@Twillusion Then it means they are not clear with the definition of "adult" either. And this fact leads to the 2nd problem relating to this law. If they can't separate fiction from reality, then could they, at least, think of a clear explanation, so that there would not be any mistakes. Not that i can think of any at the moment, though...

BTW, isn't 16yo considered a child by the law? That's a real question, since i'm not that good with the law actually.

P.S. Oh, why is it that with only a pen, a sheet of paper and some artistic ability i am a criminal? ;(

There is no discussion on child pornography. It's illegal everywhere, and deservingly so.

Regarding childish-looking character in a hentai-manga...

FAKKU I don't think has ever had trouble with the law. FAKKU HAS had issues with advertisers that threatened to disassociate themselves with FAKKU because of the loli/shota content. Jacob rather quickly removed all loli/shota from the site to the best of his knowledge. It is not allowed on the site for THIS reason, not for any legal problems.

As far as I know, if all you download is material that you can read online from the site (excludes user uploads; some illegal stuff sadly gets posted there from time to time), you should be fine.

The law is basically trying to get rid of loli/shota, and isn't a true attempt to abolish "non-existent child pornography" (I got a laugh reading that; double entendre ftw). If you draw a hentai doujin with a girl that's a middle-school student in her canonical story that has a mature body with big breasts, this law wouldn't affect it at all.

However, if you draw a hentai doujin with a girl that is a 19-year-old college student in her canonical story that is severely underdeveloped (a flat chest), you're screwed.

In the end, this law might have accomplished something, but I can't see it.

I read this news story today that i thought was incredibly entertaining to me. And I'm pretty sure it has to do with this subject.

But this Shintaro Ishihara guy. I've never heard of him before but this news story was amazing: http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/17/ishihara-otaku-have-corrupt-dna/

I already know what went on inside that guys head when he said all that: "I'm gonna say what we all think." That guy had enough balls to put what he thought right on front street.

@beeza Oh, so it was just economically based decision. Thanks for the info. And yeah, i got a laugh when i read it the 1st time too.

@Spooge I've read it as well, but my opinion on this matter differs. Something happened to this individual and this has become his personal belief. No idea what it was, but it sure scared the hell out of him

And i don't agree with him on what he said. It's outrageous for a politician to say something like that, since all he is doing is insulting a lot of people all over the world. Now, the right thing for him to do is to go out somewhere and allow everyone who felt insulted hit him once. I doubt that he would survive a day, and wouldn't be sorry for him either.
Besides, otaku aren't pedophiles(most of them at least...), the law makes them pedophiles because of the same sentence this discussion is about.

I think it's only human nature to want things you can't have or not suppose to have,as long as they are those who want it it will still exist.

I have no idea that you can be arrested by downloading a manga about child prostitution thats just so lame. because here in my country child prostitution is so bad i mean why not catch the real thing rather than the making some law like this all though i hate those kind of doujinshins.