Do you believe in evolution or in a god creation?
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kitten-in-heat wrote...
Here's a debate between a supporter of evolution and a creationist that I found online: http://www.youdebate.com/cgi-bin/scarecrow/topic.cgi?forum=3&topic=3800It's about how birds seem to be directly linked to dinosaurs because of the discovery of an ancient bird's fossil, which seemed similar to the bone structure of a reptile.
"In fact, except for the feathers, the bird-like feet, and the fact that it had a wishbone (furcula) it didn't really look like a bird. The jaws had teeth in them, of which no bird today has. It also had the ankle bone fused to the shinbone. Clearly this bird had features of dinosaurs AND birds." -- Rob Nelson
Another theory is that if the birds did descend from the dinosaurs, it's possible that they may have dinosaur-like genes that have been simply 'switched off'. If they could somehow be turned on again, then the movie "Jurassic Park" wouldn't actually be far off from the truth...=P
I was reading through that debate you posted. I think its ironic that the argument by creationists against the evidence is that scientists don't actually have any proof, rather they only catalog similarities between fossils and living species. It would of course be completely inappropriate to draw any logical conclusions from such a compilation of similarities, never mind that the fossils are carbon dated appropriately to be transitional stages in evolution. We can't draw any conclusions from that either. Apparently we need a video documentary and eye witnesses, because nothing else, no matter how obvious, could possibly be conclusive evidence.
Meanwhile, God obviously created us all because someone wrote a book that said so, and it says it doesn't need evidence because you're supposed to have faith. Sounds conclusive to me.
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mibuchiha
Fakku Elder
Ziggy wrote...
God put them there to test your faith in himLol'd hard. Gotta say that's one tsundere god.
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mibuchiha wrote...
Ziggy wrote...
God put them there to test your faith in himLol'd hard. Gotta say that's one tsundere god.
Lol'd? I assume you've never heard that before. Creationists actually say that shit; true story.
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Napoleonic
Tentacle Connoisseur
Do I believe in God? You betcha.
Do I believe in evolution? Sure, why not?
Do I believe in evolution? Sure, why not?
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I agree with many of you, and is so irritating that there is people that answer ¨with faith¨. My family and friends firmly believes in catholisism, so we enter in discution all time. Faith can´t hear, and believers can´t see; they get angry with me because they can´t deny what I say.
Anyways, I´m not talking about me, but about evolution. Yes, I know Darwin´s theory can´t explain all, and definitivelly enviroment and other species in the same place makes all to evolve trying to suvive there, I know it. But there is something more, using as an example our evolutional process, we can discover many species that extinuish, as Neanderthal. We don´t share a direct DNA similitude with them, so there were more than one human form. We are the result of the mixing of different similar species in diferent ages, that is why our bodies can adapt to almost any place, and there is a great variety of the human specie.
I don´t know if you know this, but if you don´t, now you do.
Now if you already know it, good for you and for me.
Anyways, I´m not talking about me, but about evolution. Yes, I know Darwin´s theory can´t explain all, and definitivelly enviroment and other species in the same place makes all to evolve trying to suvive there, I know it. But there is something more, using as an example our evolutional process, we can discover many species that extinuish, as Neanderthal. We don´t share a direct DNA similitude with them, so there were more than one human form. We are the result of the mixing of different similar species in diferent ages, that is why our bodies can adapt to almost any place, and there is a great variety of the human specie.
I don´t know if you know this, but if you don´t, now you do.
Now if you already know it, good for you and for me.
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mibuchiha
Fakku Elder
Rbz wrote...
mibuchiha wrote...
Ziggy wrote...
God put them there to test your faith in himLol'd hard. Gotta say that's one tsundere god.
Lol'd? I assume you've never heard that before. Creationists actually say that shit; true story.
Wut. Seriously? It seems I've overestimated those people. *facepalm*
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Id like to say that evolution is based on scientific evidence. Credit be, not accurately, but its supported. Now that we evolved from monkeys, is kind of awkward. How is it that man and chimp, on the DNA scale, have a, i believe, .o2% difference? Or was it 2%?
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I freely piss on any suggestion that belief in a creator deity and acceptance of evolution are mutually exclusive.
That is all.
edit: To put a finer point on it, who's to say God wasn't there guiding the evolutionary process to make what he wanted of us?
That is all.
edit: To put a finer point on it, who's to say God wasn't there guiding the evolutionary process to make what he wanted of us?
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I believe in evolution and, frankly, I can't see how anyone would believe other wise. The theory of evolution has fossil evidence, genetic markers, and carbon dating to back up what it has to say. Creationism has faith and the Bible to back it up. No offense to creationism believers but how can that be enough evidence to prove that they are correct? If I am to be convinced that something exists, then more evidence will be needed that just "God created everything". Now, I believe in God and all but I don't think that he created everything alive today. Maybe he started the universe through the Big Bang but I believe that after that, the laws of physics took over from that point on.
Now for some amusement, I leave this video of Ricky Gervais talking about creationism.
Now for some amusement, I leave this video of Ricky Gervais talking about creationism.
Spoiler:
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Kind of Important
A ray of Tsunlight.
Evolution.
'tis quite strange, as my dad is as devout a Christian as you'll meet. (Within reason mind you. None of the crazy zealots need apply)
But it just seems a tad too convinient when half the questions can be answered with either "God put it there to test you." or my favorite: "Because God willed it to be so"
I need a bit more substinence than that. Mayhaps it's cause of my naturally skeptical nature.
Anyway, no offense to ye religious folk, it's up to you after all. I just consider it to be some finely polished bullshit.
Honestly though, I do like talking religion with those who do believe as it's interesting to hear why they think like that, even if I disagree. Nothig wrong with learning the other side after all.
But no matter what I hear, it has never even given me pause to rethink my ways. I believe I'm right, so there it is.
'tis quite strange, as my dad is as devout a Christian as you'll meet. (Within reason mind you. None of the crazy zealots need apply)
But it just seems a tad too convinient when half the questions can be answered with either "God put it there to test you." or my favorite: "Because God willed it to be so"
I need a bit more substinence than that. Mayhaps it's cause of my naturally skeptical nature.
Anyway, no offense to ye religious folk, it's up to you after all. I just consider it to be some finely polished bullshit.
Honestly though, I do like talking religion with those who do believe as it's interesting to hear why they think like that, even if I disagree. Nothig wrong with learning the other side after all.
But no matter what I hear, it has never even given me pause to rethink my ways. I believe I'm right, so there it is.
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Evolution and Creation support each other. It's like "God" created the first species of humans and evolution took place, because if there weren't anything created, there wouldn't be anything to evolve from.
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X-Rei wrote...
Evolution and Creation support each other. It's like "God" created the first species of humans and evolution took place, because if there weren't anything created, there wouldn't be anything to evolve from.Who created God? @_@
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Rheanie wrote...
X-Rei wrote...
Evolution and Creation support each other. It's like "God" created the first species of humans and evolution took place, because if there weren't anything created, there wouldn't be anything to evolve from.Who created God? @_@
Logic doesn't work on these people.
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Okay, so it seems he was pointing out that they aren't exactly mutually exclusive. God dammit, OP needs to be more specific.
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I assume you could say being God up in heaven would be the same as being the American president down here on Earth. Elections every few years I guess.
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Rheanie wrote...
Who created God? @_@The prevailing view of the monotheistic deity as infinite, omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent already breaks the "rules". Trying to establish causality with him is pointless.
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Room101
Waifu Collector
The creation of humanity was 40% evolution and 60% luck.
I don't believe that any God (or other significant power) had a hand in this. because if they did, they really screwed up. Which kinda defies the whole "omniscient, omnipotent, omni-everything" viewpoint that believers have of God.
There could have been someone that manipulated the events, like one asteroid impact there, a climate change there, but nothing natural rules bending like some crazy old guy randomly popping out and pulling Adam and Eve from the hat.
I don't believe that any God (or other significant power) had a hand in this. because if they did, they really screwed up. Which kinda defies the whole "omniscient, omnipotent, omni-everything" viewpoint that believers have of God.
There could have been someone that manipulated the events, like one asteroid impact there, a climate change there, but nothing natural rules bending like some crazy old guy randomly popping out and pulling Adam and Eve from the hat.