Do you think Misogyny can be cured?

Well-put, Gizgal.

Frankly, Oneshott, it seems to me that you're wallowing in hatred and bad memories. Try talking to someone about it. This forum isn't exactly the best outlet for your kind of stress.

There is a way!

But for this to happen an understanding girl will be require for this.

1. Sign a contract.
2. marry that girl
3. fuck and get a kid as soon as possible
4. get to know each other on bed
5. and get another kid
6. and fuck again to get another kid

repeated it until you got 8 kids

after that you can rest assured you will love your girl even more than those earlier years. You won't notice when you were cured.

If you read the rest of my posts, you'll note that I do not misunderstand the point of general feminism, which is to bring the fact that women were not equal to men in many aspects of society. And when women tried to bring that to light, they got smashed down and labeled communists because the powers that be didn't like to hear the cold hard facts. Well, "Hell hath no fury," right? So they kept on trucking and eventually managed to at least get a foot in the door. I'm very supportive of feminism and what I think it's goals are (i.e. gender equality)General feminism is good, and does good things.

Extreme feminism; or the feministic ideal twisted to suit whatever mood a woman is in, is horribly negative and arguably extremely unfair. Its like how Al Qaeda and the Taliban purposefully distort the Quran to serve their own goals; Some women purposefully distort feminism's true purpose to do whatever they want.



You're confusing me here. Or perhaps, my wording was confusing. You say that you deny that much of the social inequality that has been pushed onto men come from women who have perverted what feminism was originally supposed to be. Yet you immediately say that it's nasty people using noble causes as justification for wrongdoing. I think you and I are saying the same thing in this regard.

I couldn't recall when, and attempts to find a youtube link didn't work out for me. But CNN interviewed a women's rights activist a year or two ago, and the interviewer asked her a question about how there seems to be a growing group of 'masculinists' who feel threatened by feminism. She said that they were absolutely justified, and that she supported them, because they weren't against feminism. They were against women who use the term to suit their own goals and abuse men out of some twisted sense of self-justification.

Glad to hear it.

Depends on the cause of their condition. I feel that way towards most people and I have not been "cured" as of yet.

yeah, i think we can do so.

Not that easily, though. Watch "MM!" for example.

Misogyny as misandry do not necessarily fall under the the definition of mental illness.

Of course, since I do not know you and don't know anything about your past, it is hard to say if you really show patterns that could be defined as misogyny or if a more serious condition lies underneath.

Generally, your feelings could be a complete normal response to things that influenced you in your childhood. You may not even remember it consciously. It could be something some important female role in your life did, or even a male role.

The single advice I can give you as a professional therapist is: Talk to a therapist. A therapist can tell if that what you call misogyny are maybe serious trust issues, that could present as serious obstacles in your life and make you miserable.

thank you all for giving me your thoughts about it.
LittleRed i'll see if i can do that.

I don't believe that misogyny is something like a disease or cancer.

But I believe people should be treated with some sort of equality.

This.

Also, misogyny is more of a trend of behavior than a specific trait, in my opinion. It cannot be "cured," but like all behavior, it can be adjusted. The issue with doing so is that misogynists frequently don't realize they're misogynistic,* and another is that self-aware misogynists don't want to change. Since it's more behavioral than it is a disorder of some kind, the subject of the change has to be willing, or nothing significant will happen.

*e.g. Charlie Sheen in "Two and a Half Men," when accused of being a misogynist, says "Hate women? I love women!"

There really shouldn't be a question of can it be "cured". The real question is "should it be cured?"

I will admit I am a misogynist. I have female friends, yes. I just seem to have a lower tolerance of a female's bullshit as opposed to males, who generally don't give me any problems. Unlike what many assume, I wasn't beaten or tortured by any female as a child or whatever people try to tell misogynists, I'd simply noted that the people around me who's intentions I mistrusted with good reason, were generally female. I'd also noted that society's standards for women are far more different than for men, but unjustly so. Most of the images and reasons provided by oneshott, I can agree with simply because I'd already noted many of them in my observations.

I didn't -intend- to think ill of women, no. It's just that the data led me towards that direction. I don't go around physically abusing women, or wishing physical harm on them, I just feel that I should wear a hard hat around them in case they decide to have some absurd emotional outburst and discomfort me, as they've proved themselves fairly capable of doing.

There's really not much else to explain my dislike or mistrust of women, as oneshott did a stellar job of pointing things out through words and images. Most of my annoyance comes not from the fact that a woman will do these things, but the fact that many feel it is completely justified, as they continue to do. When presented with factual information regarding the flaws of myself or others, I'm able to accept the data and act based on it, or choose not to act at all. A vast majority of women I've spoken to, often relentlessly denied the facts, ignored me completely, or for some reason tried to link my way of thinking with some sort of physical abuse as a child or something baseless along those lines that had absolutely nothing to do with the information presented.

No, I don't hunt women down in order to convert them to hate other women or what-have-you. I simply converse with a few bystanders for information in relation to the brain's natural defense mechanism that is denial. Their male counterparts on the other hand, took information about males in general, rather well. Some even agreeing or laughing while they admitted that they're guilty of such things with a "whoops" gesture. The exception being some of the males with girlfriends who became "white knights", as they're known, who substitute their own happiness with their significant other's in order to achieve or prove something, I'm just not sure what. I'm currently performing observations and studies on that. They seem to just be "whipped", to put it simply.

I suppose my biggest concern towards women would be their emotions. They seem to have many, which can change incredibly abruptly while I "suffer" from a "condition" that leaves me "emotionless", as many have told me. I'll tell you this though, I sure enough feel "annoyance" when anyone, male or female, try to force emotional response into me, or tell me directly that I -should- feel "this" way towards "this event", or that I -do- feel whatever way, I just purposely don't express it.

In this age of alleged intelligence and information, narrow-mindedness that causes you to assume everyone wears your shoes will not grant you many favors with others.

Misogyny per se is not a mental illness, although it could be the symptom of one- especially in it's extremer forms.

Mistrusting someone based on their gender, religion or other general categories isn't per se a sign of mental illness. It could be a sign of disinformation, of upbringing, of certain type of experiences we've been through. Those experiences don't have to be traumatic to have a lasting effect.

What you described are partially gender types as they are formed by the society you - and most of us here - live in, and partially biological differences between male and female.

I'd like to emphasize in advance that in my opinion there is no excuse for bad behavior. I am simply stating (possible) causes, which everyone should consider, because there is no excuse for being judgmental either.

So first there is the biological difference between males and females. Beside the obvious, as built and gender specific body parts, there are the hormonal differences of testosterone and estrogen.

Estrogen (also called the female hormone) is considered to play a significant role in women’s mental health. Sudden estrogen withdrawal, fluctuating estrogen, and periods of sustained estrogen low levels correlates with significant mood lowering.

On the other side many vertebrate brain structures involved in the control of aggression are richly supplied with receptors that bind with hormones such as testosterone (also called the male hormone).

There are also studies that show the influence of hormones on gender-related behavior. For example testosterone exposure during critical periods of early development produces permanent behavioural changes. In humans, affected behaviors include childhood play behaviour, sexual orientation, core gender identity and other characteristics that show gender differences.

Of course both genders carry both hormones in their bodies, but most males have more testosterone and most females more estrogen within their system.

BUT, in my experience as a therapist the biological and genetic aspects alone aren't the main cause of gender specific behavior. And here I have to disappoint you, Kensouke, the causes are to be found in early childhood.

It is how adults usually treat little children based on their gender. It starts with the color of their clothing, continues with the purchase of the first toys and then of course which behavior we tolerate more based on the gender of the infant.

Boys are more likely to be discouraged to cry, where girls are not only tolerated but even encouraged to cry by showing an extra amount of compassion towards the girl.

Simply put: girls not only get tolerated over the years when they show emotions, they are expected to do so. Boys on the other hand are expected to be tough. After all, you are the physically stronger sex. So they are more likely to be expected to keep their emotions to themselves.

Society cliches are what presses girls and boys and later women and men into certain gender specific behavior. As a therapist I am dealing with the consequences of such upbringing almost on a everyday basis. And let me assure you that it is not pretty ...

Misogyny doesn't have to be based on traumatic experiences, but just the way you grew up.

If you grew up to be an adult, who for example prefers to keep his emotions to himself, then of course you'll feel uncomfortable around people who express their emotions (in your opinion) too much and even worse: try to force you into emotional expression.

And since society breeds whole generations of females, who are just that kind of people, of course you feel more uncomfortable around females than males.

But like I said: there is no excuse for conscious bad behavior. A woman may be a bitch, because it is how her life went from early childhood on, but it's not like that is something that cannot be changed. On the contrary.

But in the end it's not the "bitch's" or "asshole's" fault for being like that, it's society's fault for accepting, encouraging and breeding stereotypes.

Indeed, you've explained the aspects of society that breed said women that I have the least problem with. I'm not so much concerned about males being encouraged to "suck it up" and females being encouraged to "let it out", but the fact that now society tends to intertwine how a male should be behave with a female's happiness. For instance, if you make a girl cry then you're the worst guy in the world and others will shun you for it. On the other hand, when a girl makes a boy cry, "he probably deserved it". Just as women are more commonly able to be seen as justified when they cheat, with excuses such as "he didn't provide enough" or "he didn't give me the love I needed". Whereas, males who cheat are generally seen as scum all around. You're a "good man" if you love, cherish, support, and endure for your female counterpart. I've yet to hear solid guidelines on what a "good woman" does, other than be loved, be cherished, be supported, and be endured for.

As for emotional encounters, when a male companion of mine is feeling down, I usually logically explain to him a reasonable course of action, or why said situation isn't quite as big as it seems. This still works excellently to this day. On the other hand, I've been yelled at for offering the same advice to a female companion as well as getting yelled at for not offering advice to the same female companion as before, but in a different situation. I have absolutely no reason to tolerate one who does not listen to reason, as there's no way for me to tell when I should speak or when I shouldn't speak, as I've been chastised for both on numerous occasions.

Seeing as though getting yelled at for genuinely having no recognizable emotion(even to myself) for a majority of situations isn't necessarily on my list of priorities, I find it easier to avoid the people who do the yelling. Coincidentally, all of these experiences happened to be with females.

I generally tell myself "If I am capable, then so are others" when it comes to measuring my intelligence or lack thereof. Unfortunately, this has caused me to assume that if I can break away from society's norms with just a bit of thought and will power, then the people who choose not to are doing just that. Choosing not to. In that regard, I can't blame society as a whole for this irrational behavior I see on a day-to-day basis, because you cannot have a society without people. Therefore I blame the people that make up the society for not breaking away from it.

To put it simply, I can't allow myself to think that these people are completely innocent in the way they act. Upbringing isn't an absolute excuse, I've learned. The way my parents attempted to raise me hadn't worked because of how I chose to raise myself.

Modern western society has actually very complicated guidelines for both genders. And I just realized I should maybe open up a different topic for that ...



You got very lucky with your male friends. Let me tell you that as someone who grew up with mostly male friends.
I am a woman and I have mostly male friends. Not because the male friends are less complicated to deal with, but because there are more males interested in the things I am interested in than females.
The offering or not offering advice experience I had with both genders. It also something I should open a separate topic about, since giving you an elaborate answer would blow this topic, but in short: when it comes down to ego, people act strange. No matter the gender.



That's the way to go. Nobody should be friends with people, who don't appreciate you just the way you are. You just happen to have more negative experience with females than with males.
My husband for example had just the opposite experience. He had more trouble dealing with other men in his life, than with women. That's why he has more female friends than male friends, for similar reasons you stated.

But to go back to the topic:
Misogyny doesn't need to be cured. It's just the way a person is. But when it starts being an obstacle rather, than just one of many parts of someone's life, than it is an issue that person should consider dealing with by going to a therapist.

It can be cured and will be cured.
Misogyny is a psychological element ( Man made ). ( Understand this sentence please)

What we humans made can also be destroyed. What the world needs is a fair system where both genders accept and understand each other.

*No need to argue about that.*

Personality isn't a thing that should be "cured" in my opinion.



I partly agree with you Kensouke. But I also agree with littleRED, you've probably just been lucky with your male friends, people being stupid isn't restricted by gender and most men are also "bad", people generally aren't that nice. Personally most of my friends are female (I am male) and I like it that way. My best friend is an emotional roller coaster, one day I'm the most important person in the world to her, a few days later she doesn't want to see me. But I've learned to deal with that.

Sorry, but you should leave it to the experts whether Misogyny is a mental illness or not and therefore needs to be cured or not.

Psychiatry actually still ponders whether bias of any kind such as racism or homophobia should be classified as a mental illness and included as such in the next version of the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, published by the American Psychiatric Association).

And even if bias as misogyny gets an entry into the DSM, it would be called pathological bias. So someone feeling anxious about women or mistrusting women, doesn't mean he has a pathological bias towards women, therefore doesn't need to be "cured".

Little-red and Koyori I can understand what you are saying....
though I still strongly am convinced that Misogyny is a psychological case. I am not saying I am right or anything, I am just saying that Misogyny comes from another source and doesn't develop by itself.

Then you should maybe go study psychology, psychotherapy or psychiatry, then write a thesis about you being "strongly convinced that misogyny" is a mental disorder and try to get it into the DSM.

Because atm you are as judgmental and biased as someone with misogyny. Telling someone that there is a cure for something that is part of their personality, is saying that something is wrong with them. Maybe there is nothing wrong with ZeroKing. Maybe there is something wrong with you.

And of course misogyny doesn't develop by itself, like any other part of our personality. Everything has a cause and effect.

Thats what I been saying... and I do know little about psychology..... it's just a psychological disorder to prevent a males personality from fully or partially communicating with the female gender... I never said that what I say is right.. its just I am convinced that psychological cases like this can be treated... and you are being judgmental by saying there is something wrong with me.

If you believe what I am saying is wrong then post up the proof and then I will shut my mouth.

Oh and Zeroking... Trust me you won't stay like that for long and your misogyny can go away some time, but until then start asking yourself questions that will help you out figuring the cause of your case and what answers there lies later.
I was a mysogynist to in my teenage years and how I got out of it is by asking myself this question.." Are ALL women the same?"
There are many women who are not worth trusting but there are also who by far exceeds your expectations and make you think , " Hmm, she was kinda nice"....
I hope this helped you out my friend.. I know you got a great personality in ya.