Dumb arguments for and against god.
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Cruz
Dope Stone Lion
the unknown wrote...
Science is based on belief.
Stopped reading right there.
Hahahaha are you honestly saying there's not way I could *TEST* things out myself?
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cruz737 wrote...
the unknown wrote...
Science is based on belief.
Stopped reading right there.
Hahahaha are you honestly saying there's not way I could *TEST* things out myself?
There are somethings you could never test yourselves nor get first hands experience on. So you rely on another's words to explain them. But, do you really know if the information you are giving is right or wrong? Doesn't that mean you are believing their words?
And read my whole post.
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Stenta wrote...
the unknown wrote...
Science is based on belief.
Unless you have had an hands on experience, everything is a belief.
Plus will you guys at least read my whole statement before you quote me?
I said "Science is based on belief. Would you accept that?" It is a yes or no question!
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the unknown wrote...
Unless you have had an hands on experience, everything is a belief. I take things at face value. You sir, don't exist.
We can go deeper on your thought:
Even after observing something for yourself, you still "believe" that it's true. How do you know your observations are correct?
You have senses. But in order to prove that your senses exist, you need to observe them... using your senses.
Come back after you've graduated from your meagre position. Even Rene Descartes, the father of that argument, admitted that although it's true, it's still superseded by it's opposer.
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Stenta wrote...
the unknown wrote...
Unless you have had an hands on experience, everything is a belief. I take things at face value. You sir, don't exist.
Yep, and you do not exist to me unless I see you. For all i know, you could be a computer programmed to speak like a human. But, that doesn't mean I do not accept your existence.
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Cruz
Dope Stone Lion
the unknown wrote...
There are somethings you could never test yourselves nor get first hands experience on. So you rely on another's words to explain them. But, do you really know if the information you are giving is right or wrong? Doesn't that mean you are believing their words?
And read my whole post.
Science isn't based on "belief" in the same way religion is.
Also lol at
the unknown wrote...
Unless you have had an hands on experience, everything is a belief.
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cruz737 wrote...
Science isn't based on "belief" in the same way religion is.
So are you saying science is based on "belief"?
cruz737 wrote...
No lie, that's just retarded dude.How would you know if I am a person and not a computer. I am sure you believe I am a human sitting behind his computer typing, right? But, am I really a human? I might be an alien in another planet communicating with you, right? You believe I am a human but you don't know if I am an human.
@ Stenta
"You have senses. But in order to prove that your senses exist, you need to observe them... using your senses."
Have you ever had a nightmare before? The screams seem real doesn't it? Everything looks and feels real doesn't it? But, are you in reality? Have you ever had one of those dreams where you were falling to your death and it felt so real that you woke up thinking you have already fell to your death? What if life is but a dream? our senses themselves are questionable. We cannot prove we see what we see. We cannot prove we hear what we hear. We cannot prove we smell what we smell. This is because every sense you have exists in it's own world. A blind man lives in a different world than a person who is deaf. But then again, that is what I believe. It is scientifically proven that our brain has the capability of changing our senses to make things fit. Then again, that is what I believe, not what I know. If you clap your hands, how do you know your brain isn't creating a sound to fit what your eyes see. Or maybe the sound coming from you hands is making your brain create something to fit it. Does what exist really exist or is your mind creating it. This could all be a dream. A world your brain has created and you really are in a coma. If you pee in your dreams, you will pee in real life. Why is that? Even though your eyes do not see a bathroom, your nose doesn't smell a bathroom, your ears don't hear sounds from the bathroom, and it doesn't feel like a bathroom. Yet it feels like a bathroom, it smells like a bathroom and feels like a bathroom. You pee thinking you are in a bathroom even though none of your senses can confirm you are in the bathroom.
When you have first hands experience to something, you are claiming that is your reality. You are claiming that is what is real. You have made it real. Just like you accept what exist in your nightmare is real when you are dreaming.
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the unknown wrote...
If you pee in your dreams, you will pee in real life.You still wet the bed? I could tell you're young, but hey.
Also, I don't see what that whole rant is about. It doesn't go about proving anything, just a lot of filler.
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Stenta wrote...
the unknown wrote...
If you pee in your dreams, you will pee in real life.You still wet the bed? I could tell you're young, but hey.
Also, I don't see what that whole rant is about. It doesn't go about proving anything, just a lot of filler.
If you have hands experience on something, you are making it real. You do not believe it is real, you are saying it is real. Even if you don't know what real really is. It is like the feeling you get when you look at something you made with your hands and something that another person made. You get the feeling what you made is more realistic than the other since you can explain everything about it. Just take a look at something you made and something you din't make.
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Tegumi
"im always cute"
the unknown wrote...
If you have hands experience on something, you are making it real. You do not believe it is real, you are saying it is real. Even if you don't know what real really is.Oh boy, this logic.
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Tegumi wrote...
the unknown wrote...
If you have hands experience on something, you are making it real. You do not believe it is real, you are saying it is real. Even if you don't know what real really is.Oh boy, this logic.
your avi was a good choice for this thread... just full of "wut?"
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Alright, sorry about that everyone, I was cut off from the internet over the weekend. My friend I was visiting up at his college neglected to tell me that I couldn't use the internet unless I was a student.
The Unknown and Jash demonstrated they don't know what science and knowledge and logic are, and this has been demonstrated by GroverCleaveland, Stenta and Tegumi, among others, so I don't relaly need to explain anymore on that.
There was an accusaztion by Cruz that I had unwarranted self importance. On the contrary, not only don't I find myself important, but I simply said what I did because it HAS been said to me that I bitch about god and religion too much by numerous users. It was a reassuring statement, not a self important one.
And the last problem people had was when I said something along the lines of "I figured it was a shared laugh, like 'Wow that really WAS a dumb argument, thanks.".
Many times topics are made in this forum wherein discussions of pseudo-intellectualism(which I find to be equivalent with being dumb) are made, demonstrated why the pseudo part of the word is indeed the case.
Stenta, both you and GroverCleaveland are people who have made topics, or participated in discussions wherein people's logical fallacies are explained, or people need to be shown wy they are silly, so I didn't quite think that this topic was out of line in any way.
and besides, do I really have to explain why "We cannot see the Professor's brain, so clearly we're taking it on faith that he has one" is a retarded argument? I mean, I WILL if I need to, but I figured it was rather self evidently insane.
The Unknown and Jash demonstrated they don't know what science and knowledge and logic are, and this has been demonstrated by GroverCleaveland, Stenta and Tegumi, among others, so I don't relaly need to explain anymore on that.
There was an accusaztion by Cruz that I had unwarranted self importance. On the contrary, not only don't I find myself important, but I simply said what I did because it HAS been said to me that I bitch about god and religion too much by numerous users. It was a reassuring statement, not a self important one.
And the last problem people had was when I said something along the lines of "I figured it was a shared laugh, like 'Wow that really WAS a dumb argument, thanks.".
Many times topics are made in this forum wherein discussions of pseudo-intellectualism(which I find to be equivalent with being dumb) are made, demonstrated why the pseudo part of the word is indeed the case.
Stenta, both you and GroverCleaveland are people who have made topics, or participated in discussions wherein people's logical fallacies are explained, or people need to be shown wy they are silly, so I didn't quite think that this topic was out of line in any way.
and besides, do I really have to explain why "We cannot see the Professor's brain, so clearly we're taking it on faith that he has one" is a retarded argument? I mean, I WILL if I need to, but I figured it was rather self evidently insane.
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You know BigLundi, this is the first thread I've read from you that didn't make me think you were a moron.
Believe it or not, But that was a compliment.
Believe it or not, But that was a compliment.
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Illustrious2031 wrote...
You know BigLundi, this is the first thread I've read from you that didn't make me think you were a moron.Believe it or not, But that was a compliment.
Oh thank you Illustrious. that's the reason I make these threads you knw, so that I can have the illustious(if you would excuse the pun) position of being declared NOT moronic by you. It's oh so important to me.
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Im not trying to be a dick or troll, but this is all simple...
Everyone is trying to create a logic out of all this, but it boils down to factual faith
1. Do you have faith that God is real and the bible is His word.
Done.
People need to except that the 'logic' that we're using to try to figure out the existence of God was created by him, we don't understand because we were not made to. This is all about faith, not logic. I promise this will be a continues debate forever until the day everyone dies. No matter what logic or solution man comes up with, it boils down to if you believe and have faith or not. If you do, than you need to except that you don't understand and that God has a greater understanding than man. If not, you will be debating and thinking for the rest of your life. We were not made to understand, so the best thing to do is just study the bible. And lean not on your own understanding <- Ha! See what i did there!
I can't get to preachy, I'm on what most people consider a porn site...
Everyone is trying to create a logic out of all this, but it boils down to factual faith
1. Do you have faith that God is real and the bible is His word.
Done.
People need to except that the 'logic' that we're using to try to figure out the existence of God was created by him, we don't understand because we were not made to. This is all about faith, not logic. I promise this will be a continues debate forever until the day everyone dies. No matter what logic or solution man comes up with, it boils down to if you believe and have faith or not. If you do, than you need to except that you don't understand and that God has a greater understanding than man. If not, you will be debating and thinking for the rest of your life. We were not made to understand, so the best thing to do is just study the bible. And lean not on your own understanding <- Ha! See what i did there!
I can't get to preachy, I'm on what most people consider a porn site...
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PimpingMonkey wrote...
Im not trying to be a dick or troll, but this is all simple...Everyone is trying to create a logic out of all this, but it boils down to factual faith
1. Do you have faith that God is real and the bible is His word.
Done.
People need to except that the 'logic' that we're using to try to figure out the existence of God was created by him, we don't understand because we were not made to. This is all about faith, not logic. I promise this will be a continues debate forever until the day everyone dies. No matter what logic or solution man comes up with, it boils down to if you believe and have faith or not. If you do, than you need to except that you don't understand and that God has a greater understanding than man. If not, you will be debating and thinking for the rest of your life. We were not made to understand, so the best thing to do is just study the bible. And lean not on your own understanding <- Ha! See what i did there!
I can't get to preachy, I'm on what most people consider a porn site...
Well, from what I've read, it does seem that religious philosophers don't create arguments for the existence of God to change people's minds and convince them to love God. It's more about trying to reach some sort of understanding about God, to create some argument that explains what God is.
Of course, that doesn't excuse the televangelists and doom-sayers and the like that create arguments solely to sway people to religion or keep them from leaving.
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BigLundi wrote...
Illustrious2031 wrote...
You know BigLundi, this is the first thread I've read from you that didn't make me think you were a moron.Believe it or not, But that was a compliment.
Oh thank you Illustrious. that's the reason I make these threads you knw, so that I can have the illustious(if you would excuse the pun) position of being declared NOT moronic by you. It's oh so important to me.
Clearly I was being rude by trying to make my compliment seem honest. Instead of being a dick how about just acknowledging that I was getting a different impression of you? Jesus christ man.