Free Speech - Is There a Limit?
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WhiteLion wrote...
I think you are seeing non-existent nefarious motives in the government being involved in the markets. It's not really a new thing. State governments invest frequently for the same reasons as private individuals: you make more money generally than if you just stash bills in your mattress. (A high publicity example was the Bob Taft scandal, although the scandal was not related to the general concept of government investing but rather corrupt officials embezzling money.)What makes this different from Europe or Russia is that the government came in and made a market offer for AIG, rather than just seizing it by force(Russia) or starting a government entity and making laws saying that everyone has to use the government company(Europe). If either of these things start happening, I will be with you in opposing them and voting against any politicians who support them.
Investing and being involved in the markets is different than taking majority voting power over a company. No matter how you dress it up, or look at it. They took control of a company. Sure, they didn't come in with guns saying they own the place which would result in a huge backlash from the people and possible a riot or two. They came in and bought out a company. Which is a more peaceful way of coming in with guns and saying "we own this company". Which during a crisis, when everybody is panicking nobody will question the motives when the government does something because of some weird notion that "The government has out best interest in mind" which they obviously don't.
Another question is: what can the government even do with AIG? It's built to make money, and the government generally isn't interested in running enterprises solely for profit. If it is run into the ground via incompetence, well, it's a waste of money, but it's not really any worse than any of the many other methods congress finds to waste money.
I'm not sure what they can do it with since I don't know how expansive AIG really is. I just know that with the track record of the U.S. Government that if you give them an inch they'll take a mile. There needs to be a history of "good" behavior before I'll trust the government but, sadly there is just a history of mismanagement, wasteful spending and general incompetence and failure.
Maybe I am being paranoid and more pessimistic than usual but, looking at the history is like looking at the credit report of a potential customer or employee. The past says a lot about the future.
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I've always found racism should be illegal... and I don't mean you can't think "Damn blacks ruining the country" I mean you shouldn't be able to say 'Damn blacks ruining the country." I've always been annoyed by the fact its legal to use racial slurs and be racist in public.
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Harmonian wrote...
I've always found racism should be illegal... and I don't mean you can't think "Damn blacks ruining the country" I mean you shouldn't be able to say 'Damn blacks ruining the country." I've always been annoyed by the fact its legal to use racial slurs and be racist in public.If saying racist things was made illegal, there would of course be provisions so that saying racist things jokingly was not illegal, such as in a piece of satire or something similar, where the racist thing is being said, but the joke is funny not because the race deserves to be made fun of but because it's funny that someone would even say such a thing. A lot of sketches by The Whitest Kids U Know incorporate racism, but it's not a racist group, and they don't advocate racism at all.
And of course, if racist remarks were okay if they were jokes, then anyone found saying something racist could say that it was just a joke. Some of those people would be telling the truth, but others would just be trying to escape punishment. How would we tell the difference?
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Harmonian wrote...
I've always found racism should be illegal... and I don't mean you can't think "Damn blacks ruining the country" I mean you shouldn't be able to say 'Damn blacks ruining the country." I've always been annoyed by the fact its legal to use racial slurs and be racist in public.ShaggyJebus wrote...
Some of those people would be telling the truth, but others would just be trying to escape punishment. How would we tell the difference?
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mibuchiha
Fakku Elder
if only racism is made illegal in my country...they even made laws that only allow people from certain races become the PM. how ridiculous is that?
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Well.... i guess i think there shouldn't be a limit to free speech even though somethings people say piss me off soo much....
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I'd say that you either believe in free speech or no speech at all. This is coming from a person who supports a constitutional republic rather than a democracy (yes there is a difference) so I'd say it's do or die on this one.
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You have the right to say whatever the hell you want, as long as I have the right to object, or punch you in the face.
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Well, theres a phrase my mom used to teach me about this planet earth human community.
"Freedom when speech, no freedom after speech"
For public speaking, i guess there is no such thing as a truly free speech as one's thoughts will always contradicting another, for the speakers well being, limiting his speech is normal, expecially when he is representing a minority group of people.
Oh well there are places all over the internet for freedom for posting tho.....
imo~
"Freedom when speech, no freedom after speech"
For public speaking, i guess there is no such thing as a truly free speech as one's thoughts will always contradicting another, for the speakers well being, limiting his speech is normal, expecially when he is representing a minority group of people.
Oh well there are places all over the internet for freedom for posting tho.....
imo~
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If you ask me, I think there is only such thing as "we will tolerate some of the stupid bullshit that comes out of your mouth".
Don Imus was fired for calling a womens basketball team nappy headed hoes. I don't agree with him, but I mean he has a right to his own opinion doesn't he? we are told that we have a given right to our thoughts and opinions, and that statement was relative to his own thoughts, and there was no truth to his statement(s). I mean if someone called me a nappy headed hoe, I wouldn't even be mad to begin with. I'm not a girl, I'm not a hoe, I don't have hair anyways, and he's probably mad that he has a shitty life. LET him have his show.
Freedom of speech does not exist the way you think it would. if freedom of speech, is real, go verbally assault a cop. if you get arrested or not is what your answer will be if there is or is not freedom of speech. Frankly i think the freedom to speak what you want is an illusion, and more of a privilege than an actual right.
Don Imus was fired for calling a womens basketball team nappy headed hoes. I don't agree with him, but I mean he has a right to his own opinion doesn't he? we are told that we have a given right to our thoughts and opinions, and that statement was relative to his own thoughts, and there was no truth to his statement(s). I mean if someone called me a nappy headed hoe, I wouldn't even be mad to begin with. I'm not a girl, I'm not a hoe, I don't have hair anyways, and he's probably mad that he has a shitty life. LET him have his show.
Freedom of speech does not exist the way you think it would. if freedom of speech, is real, go verbally assault a cop. if you get arrested or not is what your answer will be if there is or is not freedom of speech. Frankly i think the freedom to speak what you want is an illusion, and more of a privilege than an actual right.
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nzephier wrote...
If you ask me, I think there is only such thing as "we will tolerate some of the stupid bullshit that comes out of your mouth".You pretty much summed it up. People are lucky just to be able to talk shit about their own country. A friend of mine went to another country, saw some "the government doing cruel things" and spoke out against it. She got arrested for about a week. She apparently forgot that "free speech" isn't exactly everywhere in the world.
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So long as everyone knows their limit. And they know when to stop, and what not to say. Does that contradict?
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windknight111 wrote...
So long as everyone knows their limit. And they know when to stop, and what not to say. Does that contradict?Maybe. However, it is impossible to have complete freedom of anything without reaching the state of anarchy. It sort of a "limited freedom." And you're at 666th post...