Gender in MMOs: your experiences
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Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
I've played mostly female characters.
Partly because if I'm going to be staring at an ass for several hours, it'll be female damn it.
As far as treatment goes. Mostly only younger underage brats really treat the female characters differently. As people get older, they tend to treat people less on the sex differences.
There are exceptions, and some people will do what they can to take advantage of others too and usually that's only aimed at females.
As for the little ideology that females only make up a small fraction of gamers. That's wrong. There are actually more female gamers in online games than there are male gamers.
Partly because if I'm going to be staring at an ass for several hours, it'll be female damn it.
As far as treatment goes. Mostly only younger underage brats really treat the female characters differently. As people get older, they tend to treat people less on the sex differences.
There are exceptions, and some people will do what they can to take advantage of others too and usually that's only aimed at females.
As for the little ideology that females only make up a small fraction of gamers. That's wrong. There are actually more female gamers in online games than there are male gamers.
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I must say my experience has been considerably different from many I see described here, possibly (as someone else mentioned) due to age. I am in my sixties and have played MMOs since the text based MUDD days. I frequently choose a female avatar, because if I'm going to look at the damned thing for hours on end, I prefer a female generally. I make no effort to hide my true gender though. I have seen very little preference given female characters. In addition to my female characters I have two daughters who are avid gamers and I have seen very little preference paid either of them.
I would also say that I (and they) were fairly serious gamers, often active in guilds, and my younger daughter was quite skilled, often defeating the majority of male players in duels, etc. I have also played with quite a few women players over the years and seen very little preferential treatment, but again - my experiences have been almost entirely with older players.
I would also say that I (and they) were fairly serious gamers, often active in guilds, and my younger daughter was quite skilled, often defeating the majority of male players in duels, etc. I have also played with quite a few women players over the years and seen very little preferential treatment, but again - my experiences have been almost entirely with older players.
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In my experience, female players tend to be favored. Male WoW players are, from what I can tell, majoritively passive. So when a woman comes into the scene, if the players she addresses are all passive, which is a possibility, then the female is almost immediately moved up to a top position in the guild as an Officer, or, the woman -as in my case- might make her own guild, and then have a loyal following of people join up with her, majoritively males. Other women who aren't as aggressive will also favor this woman as someone who is capable of leading, and someone they can look to in times of drama.
Women are either officers, trusted players, or even guild leaders in my experience, heavily favored above the majority of the male players, and yelled at MUCH less in case raids take a wrong turn. VERY rarely do I EVER see a female player get chastized, and in fact, even if it is their fault that something went wrong, leaders will go out of their way NOT to yell at the females, and instead yell at the males for some imaginary thing THEY did wrong, like...for instance...getting angry at the female players for screwing up.
As a for instance, I was a tank player in WoW before I stopped playing a few months ago. When Cataclsm came out, so did new dungeons. In one of them, a pull consisted of 4 mobs, 2 of which had to be CC'd, or the whole raid would wipe.(if you need clarifications of any of my abbreviations, just say so). Meanwhile, the two tanks would each take one of the remaining mobs, and pull them apart, while the party shot down one, then the other. Well, the female in our group screwed up and attacked one of the CC'd mobs. I then took aggro from the mob, needless to say, we wiped, and I was annoyed with her, and told her she needs to remain more focused, as I don't want to die. I was then chastized for reprimanding her in any way, and in fact, I was not invited to furthur raids, because she complained that I was 'being a dick'.
Women are either officers, trusted players, or even guild leaders in my experience, heavily favored above the majority of the male players, and yelled at MUCH less in case raids take a wrong turn. VERY rarely do I EVER see a female player get chastized, and in fact, even if it is their fault that something went wrong, leaders will go out of their way NOT to yell at the females, and instead yell at the males for some imaginary thing THEY did wrong, like...for instance...getting angry at the female players for screwing up.
As a for instance, I was a tank player in WoW before I stopped playing a few months ago. When Cataclsm came out, so did new dungeons. In one of them, a pull consisted of 4 mobs, 2 of which had to be CC'd, or the whole raid would wipe.(if you need clarifications of any of my abbreviations, just say so). Meanwhile, the two tanks would each take one of the remaining mobs, and pull them apart, while the party shot down one, then the other. Well, the female in our group screwed up and attacked one of the CC'd mobs. I then took aggro from the mob, needless to say, we wiped, and I was annoyed with her, and told her she needs to remain more focused, as I don't want to die. I was then chastized for reprimanding her in any way, and in fact, I was not invited to furthur raids, because she complained that I was 'being a dick'.
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I am male, and I tend to create female characters to roleplay. Thus, I do not use voicechat or teamtalk or whatever. I will also pretend I am female if asked in an ooc fashion, as responding truthfully would alter the way they treat my character.
Also, being fully honest, being given free things is nice, buts its really of no consideration when I am making a character.
Also, being fully honest, being given free things is nice, buts its really of no consideration when I am making a character.
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Male.
Used to play WoW.
I guess about 50-50, somewhat depending on class, but more importantly in gender/race animations.(dat UD female cast animation =D)
Always about what feels more comfortable for my eyes.
Used to play WoW.
I guess about 50-50, somewhat depending on class, but more importantly in gender/race animations.(dat UD female cast animation =D)
Always about what feels more comfortable for my eyes.
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Tegumi
"im always cute"
gizgal wrote...
On VoIP, once sex is known (or assumed due to voice tone), are players discriminated against? What kinds of slurs, if any, are used? Are words that demean either gender thrown around casually?
Not so discriminated against, but demeaning terms and jokes are thrown around casually. Then again, it depends on the group you're with. I've played with some groups who are exceedingly nice to girls and others who are borderline misogynistic.
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Alrighty folks! Thanks very much.
Here's my draft of the assignment so far (lol I think I did too much work for such a little assignment, but hey, it was interesting to me!).
Here's my draft of the assignment so far (lol I think I did too much work for such a little assignment, but hey, it was interesting to me!).
Spoiler:
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In WoW, gender doesn't really matter for me.
Whichever model I find more attractive is what I'll go with... because I'll be looking at it's back for hours and hours and ...
Whichever model I find more attractive is what I'll go with... because I'll be looking at it's back for hours and hours and ...
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gizgal wrote...
Kind of Important wrote...
In all honesty, that sort of thing isn't too common anymore, with most guilds and groups of players using VoIP and so forth, the whole gender thing becomes a moot point, and people stop focusing on it as much.
I agree on a lot of your other points, but this one stands out.
On VoIP, once sex is known (or assumed due to voice tone), are players discriminated against?
What kinds of slurs, if any, are used? Are words that demean either gender thrown around casually?
thus far in my MMORPG life we dont discriminate any females nor do we give them extra rules we just fuck around and have fun but from time to time you ca nsee a guy who imitates girl 2 get free stuff or a guy sending you a PM if your toon is female for cyber sex if you have a VoIP then the guild are mostly friends and no discrimination can be found .i hope i helped
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Generally, Female. Either because it's genderlocked from an MMO (e.g. Elsword, Grand Chase) or because it is genuinely more appealing. Sometimes I play male characters but only if they appeal more than the female counterparts (e.g. badass armour/costumes, epic skill animations)
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I shared your responses (like the ones I listed in my draft) in class, and they added a lot to our discussion.
So thank you all for your input! It was well received and I appreciated your time and stories. :)
So thank you all for your input! It was well received and I appreciated your time and stories. :)
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Even tho Giz doesnt need us to discuss this anymore, I think this topic is interesting, so imo we should continue!
As we all know, some women arent ashamed of using their gender online to get their way. At some point I knew (not personally tho) a Finnish girl who played WOW. And she was one of those who think she should be above everyone, because she was a girl. During raids she talked about her boobs and she wasnt ashamed of getting the attention of her guild mates (and other players too) with her looks. At some point she started dating the GM of her guild and she started getting ALL the loot she wanted, no questions asked. And because that continued even when the rest of the guild complained, the guild broke up. Just because of one fucking attention whoring teen princess. She really thought that everyone likes her and some did like her I suppose, till she started getting special treatment that is.
But I must say that even tho I'm a girl too, when ever a girl says she plays games, I assume she sucks at playing and/or does it only for attention. But if by time I learn that she isnt like that, I'm cool. The reason for that is that I've met only few girls who dont do it for attention. Its been like that ever since I was a child. I liked playing games and my friend only played games to impress my older brothers. And if a girl calls herself a girl gamer or something like that, I rage and start hating that person from that moment on.
I must admit playing wow for a while too. I was never treated different from the guys. They joked to/about me just like they would to the guys. I never got helped because of my gender (lazy ass guildies never helped each other D;). I just felt like one of the guys, just the way I prefer things to be online and irl. If they treated me differently at some point, it wasnt because I'm a girl, it was because I was one of the richest ones in the guild and they wanted me to lend them some monies :D And they should be happy I quit, because some of them still owe me I think :<
When I played wow, for some time people didnt even know I was a girl. I think it got exposed when they learned that I live with one of the guild members (my bf) and we're in a relationship. And even after that when new people joined our guild, it took them some time to find out that I'm a girl.
I didnt really play wow that seriously, I mostly just liked the questing and talking with people on guild chat, so I didnt really do raids/instances. But when I did, I didnt except to get any loot, because I didnt need them like the people who raid. So I just usually let people get the loot if they needed it, and I just took stuff when no one needed them.
When I play I dont really care about the gender of the character I'm playing. For example in wow I had female characters and male characters. Its just that in some races males look more awesome and in some females look more awesome. Like blood elves. In wow male blood elves look gay and annoying as hell, so I'd choose a female blood elf. And troll females look a bit boring and stupid, so I'd choose a male troll, because they're awesome.
[size=6]If someone thinks he recognizes me from this text and all, shut up. I'm not the one you think I am D:[/h]
As we all know, some women arent ashamed of using their gender online to get their way. At some point I knew (not personally tho) a Finnish girl who played WOW. And she was one of those who think she should be above everyone, because she was a girl. During raids she talked about her boobs and she wasnt ashamed of getting the attention of her guild mates (and other players too) with her looks. At some point she started dating the GM of her guild and she started getting ALL the loot she wanted, no questions asked. And because that continued even when the rest of the guild complained, the guild broke up. Just because of one fucking attention whoring teen princess. She really thought that everyone likes her and some did like her I suppose, till she started getting special treatment that is.
But I must say that even tho I'm a girl too, when ever a girl says she plays games, I assume she sucks at playing and/or does it only for attention. But if by time I learn that she isnt like that, I'm cool. The reason for that is that I've met only few girls who dont do it for attention. Its been like that ever since I was a child. I liked playing games and my friend only played games to impress my older brothers. And if a girl calls herself a girl gamer or something like that, I rage and start hating that person from that moment on.
I must admit playing wow for a while too. I was never treated different from the guys. They joked to/about me just like they would to the guys. I never got helped because of my gender (lazy ass guildies never helped each other D;). I just felt like one of the guys, just the way I prefer things to be online and irl. If they treated me differently at some point, it wasnt because I'm a girl, it was because I was one of the richest ones in the guild and they wanted me to lend them some monies :D And they should be happy I quit, because some of them still owe me I think :<
When I played wow, for some time people didnt even know I was a girl. I think it got exposed when they learned that I live with one of the guild members (my bf) and we're in a relationship. And even after that when new people joined our guild, it took them some time to find out that I'm a girl.
I didnt really play wow that seriously, I mostly just liked the questing and talking with people on guild chat, so I didnt really do raids/instances. But when I did, I didnt except to get any loot, because I didnt need them like the people who raid. So I just usually let people get the loot if they needed it, and I just took stuff when no one needed them.
When I play I dont really care about the gender of the character I'm playing. For example in wow I had female characters and male characters. Its just that in some races males look more awesome and in some females look more awesome. Like blood elves. In wow male blood elves look gay and annoying as hell, so I'd choose a female blood elf. And troll females look a bit boring and stupid, so I'd choose a male troll, because they're awesome.
[size=6]If someone thinks he recognizes me from this text and all, shut up. I'm not the one you think I am D:[/h]