Hunting is for pussies.
Do you agree hunting for sport is for pussies?
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Lil Sarge JR wrote...
<CAUTION> Wall of text.The idea of Hunting Wolfs, because of them killing Deer is retarded. Wolfs are being managed right now and are now off the endangered species list. There is population control on wolfs and you need a tag (license) to shoot them in Minnesota, right now they give out 200 tags a year or less depending on the population of wolfs in the state. Wolfs need to be managed, or else there will be an over population of them and they will run out of food source in the area and start coming into the citys.. and we dont need that.
Sara Pailen, has the wrong idea on why we need to control the wolfs population killing deer is there natural instinct to survive, and that should not be her damn reasoning to kill wolfs either you or pailen has the story wrong. i have not seen the article on this but i will look into it and edit if necessary.
I am a "Hunter" a sportsman who by you claim to just kill animals for the "Jollies" and put them on the wall.
Yes, I do kill animals for fun. The challenge on getting a wild animal up to you close enough to bag it is so exciting I cannot even explain it. I have a total of 5 mounts on my wall all of deer, all 12 or more point bucks. I worked very hard for all of them and im proud I got them so i am showing them off and praising them my putting them on my wall so everyone can see them. Better than just cutting off there head and discarding it and just taking the meat huh?
I eat everything I shoot. Duck, Quail, Pheasant, Deer, Moose, and i have even had Rabbit and Squirrel (not bad tastes like chicken)
But i understand your animal ACTIVIST ways, and i agree with most of what you said. I do not shoot just to KILL the animal and leave it in the forest or were ever i kill it. I use almost everything on the animal except for the organs.. I donate the hides every year to our donation center up here and they make leather bags and many other things..
now to the main point.
HUNTING..
Is used for population control.
if we just let the population of Deer or Wolfs get too high, they will start to run out of food and start getting sick spreading diseases and dieing. if you live in a forested area up north you would know how many deer are up north by seeing them on the roads. i will not even drive up north until hunting season starts because the population gets so high that there popping on the streets and shit and everyone is hitting them.
I believe your statements are wrong.
and so are Sara pailens
Hunting is helping everyone and the animals too.
don't say hunting is bad if you do not know what the hell you are talking about.
there are reasons for it.
Also, i do belive that you sir/mam are the pussy here. You will only complain on what happens elsewere you will never do anything about it except post on fourms saying "HUNTERS ARE PUSSIES" and not get anywere in life.
Hunters are not pussies they are helping out the community by keeping down the population.
sv51macross wrote...
Let's say you shot a deer with a .50 cal BMG round...would there be any appreciable quantity of usable meat left?there are only certain rounds and calibers you can use for hunting. a .50 cal would leave only half a deer laying on the ground. literally no usable meat.
If any of that was directed at me, I have to say you're not making a strong argument. The fact that wolves may be at risk, in the sense they might run out of food, is a reason why people shouldn't be going out shooting deer and other animals. The only reason why animals have been put into such horrible situations is because we're fucking up their natural habitat. I'm not an animal activist, but I do believe if we want to live anywhere, we should have some fucking respect for whatever is living there before we start moving in.
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The Jesus wrote...
discordia wrote...
Kinda, the only reason I find applicable for hunting is to manage/balance wild life population.That really doesn't make sense. What would you think if a deer shot a person going to the store for some fucking bread and said to other deer that it was to manage/balance the human population? We might have a level of intelligence that other species don't, but if you use that intelligence to look at humans all over the world, you'll realize we're having enough fucking trouble managing our own fucking population.
The thing about nature is that it's managed to handle shit for billions of years on its own. That's why I don't get too upset about natural disasters and why I haven't become a homicidal maniac. I've come to accept that even if it doesn't work at the pace or in the way I want it to, nature does what it has to do.
I don't know how tings work where you live, but in Liechtenstein it's like this: deer don't have any natural enemies so they run into the danger of overpopulation which in turn causes mass starvation. It's not a pretty sight and compared to starving to death I find a bullet to the head pretty humane.
And yeah, we have trouble to manage our population...but only because it's illegal to "manage" it, which I wouldn't necessarily object against; pending of course on what the criteria were to decide who is put down.
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discordia wrote...
I don't know how tings work where you live, but in Liechtenstein it's like this: deer don't have any natural enemies so they run into the danger of overpopulation which in turn causes mass starvation. It's not a pretty sight and compared to starving to death I find a bullet to the head pretty humane.And yeah, we have trouble to manage our population...but only because it's illegal to "manage" it, which I wouldn't necessarily object against; pending of course on what the criteria were to decide who is put down.
I'm not some tight ass about conservation and shit. Depending upon the situation, I'll be the first one to start yelling, "If it's better off dead, shoot it in the head." Killing an animal to prevent it from suffering isn't bad, but suffering is a natural aspect of life.
All over the world there are fucking bears, tigers, lions, Komodo dragons, and all kinds of predators mauling people and eating children. Honestly, I find it hilarious when people get mad about wild animals killing humans because, humans, even myself, are pathetic. A lot of the predators that are around today were around before us, or had lived in certain places long before humans "discovered" them. If you consider all the advantages we have over other species, if we just get tossed out in the wild, most of us will be fucked. We can be easily considered a prey species because, compared to other animals, we're weak, slow, clumsy, and stupid. We are successful due to our technological dominance over our surroundings. If we don't like something, we are literally capable of wiping it out.
I'm drunk and if my message is getting fucked up because of it, all I'm saying is that humans aren't special. We take advantage of all our technological bullshit, but if we lose that and come across a wild animal on a natural level, we're more likely to be fucked. Our only advantage is that we've become so obsessed with owning shit that some of the most well know figures in various scientific fields justify colonizing other planet by saying, "We should have all our eggs in the same basket."
I applaud those who can really grasp what I'm trying to say. I've been drinking over the course of a significant amount of time and... I'm just trying to light a fire under anyone's ass.
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The Jesus wrote...
If any of that was directed at me, I have to say you're not making a strong argument. The fact that wolves may be at risk, in the sense they might run out of food, is a reason why people shouldn't be going out shooting deer and other animals. The only reason why animals have been put into such horrible situations is because we're fucking up their natural habitat. I'm not an animal activist, but I do believe if we want to live anywhere, we should have some fucking respect for whatever is living there before we start moving in.
the thing is that over population poses a greater danger for drivers on the road because most accidents that involve a deer, the car and passengers were severely injured. True it was us that made this problem in the first place by moving into nature, which in the US is pretty much how the US was made, i hate US history, its filled with bull crap most of the time, sorry derailing. I can understand what u mean how wolves are getting in danger of low population which is a big problem but people care more about other people.
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@jesus
While you are right in many of your assertions (the typical human being stupider aside) it does have less and less to do with the topic at hand, let alone with what I wrote.
Besides, i would usually think that what makes humans special and the dominating species is our technology.
Also, assuming it was meant "we shouldn't have all our eggs in the same basket", is imo a pretty good argument. We're sooner or later either gonna deplete this one of all it's ressources...or carelessely drop it on the ground.
While you are right in many of your assertions (the typical human being stupider aside) it does have less and less to do with the topic at hand, let alone with what I wrote.
Besides, i would usually think that what makes humans special and the dominating species is our technology.
Also, assuming it was meant "we shouldn't have all our eggs in the same basket", is imo a pretty good argument. We're sooner or later either gonna deplete this one of all it's ressources...or carelessely drop it on the ground.
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Glrgh @ "for pussies", WOULDN'T WANT TO BE NEAR ANY OF THOSE DREADFUL PUSSIES.
I think hunting to control animal populations and / or disease should be left to foresters, because they're professionals who will actually snipe out the sickly animals first instead going for whatever has the biggest antlers.
Hunting for food, feh! It's much more efficient to raise deer in a farm, butcher them and sell them. Having a gang of drunken trailer trash running around the woods screaming bloody murder and peppering the landscape with lead - no thanks!
But, really, those aren't very strong arguments against hunting. The strongest case against it make the HUNTERS themselves:
People who tell me they go hunting for the "thrill" (of sitting drunkenly in the woods and then gunning down whatever moves, often their drunken friends) make me laugh.
But even worse are those "outdoorsman" types who tell you how they watched that 180-point-antler-buck grow up for years and now they're finally gunna git 'm! Reminds me of those old biddies that go "OH WHAT A HUGE ICICLE, DOESN'T IT LOOK NEAT?" and then smash it with their walking cane so that no-one else may ever see it, EVER!
It's "okay" to find animals intriguing, but if you have to express your appreciation through the barrel of a gun, you belong in the nutbin.
Personally, I think hunting is pretty damn insipid. I find it fitting that it referred to as a "sport"; it is about as idiotic as soccer.
I think hunting to control animal populations and / or disease should be left to foresters, because they're professionals who will actually snipe out the sickly animals first instead going for whatever has the biggest antlers.
Hunting for food, feh! It's much more efficient to raise deer in a farm, butcher them and sell them. Having a gang of drunken trailer trash running around the woods screaming bloody murder and peppering the landscape with lead - no thanks!
But, really, those aren't very strong arguments against hunting. The strongest case against it make the HUNTERS themselves:
People who tell me they go hunting for the "thrill" (of sitting drunkenly in the woods and then gunning down whatever moves, often their drunken friends) make me laugh.
But even worse are those "outdoorsman" types who tell you how they watched that 180-point-antler-buck grow up for years and now they're finally gunna git 'm! Reminds me of those old biddies that go "OH WHAT A HUGE ICICLE, DOESN'T IT LOOK NEAT?" and then smash it with their walking cane so that no-one else may ever see it, EVER!
It's "okay" to find animals intriguing, but if you have to express your appreciation through the barrel of a gun, you belong in the nutbin.
Personally, I think hunting is pretty damn insipid. I find it fitting that it referred to as a "sport"; it is about as idiotic as soccer.
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Kaien wrote...
The Jesus wrote...
If any of that was directed at me, I have to say you're not making a strong argument. The fact that wolves may be at risk, in the sense they might run out of food, is a reason why people shouldn't be going out shooting deer and other animals. The only reason why animals have been put into such horrible situations is because we're fucking up their natural habitat. I'm not an animal activist, but I do believe if we want to live anywhere, we should have some fucking respect for whatever is living there before we start moving in.
the thing is that over population poses a greater danger for drivers on the road because most accidents that involve a deer, the car and passengers were severely injured. True it was us that made this problem in the first place by moving into nature, which in the US is pretty much how the US was made, i hate US history, its filled with bull crap most of the time, sorry derailing. I can understand what u mean how wolves are getting in danger of low population which is a big problem but people care more about other people.
the issue it that Sara palin is saying that they want to kill wolves from a heli.
that is not hunting it is a massacre.
also the government and DNR takes numbers on how many animals are in the state and regulates on how many licenses are given out. there will never be a De-population in wolfs because they are just "managed" if population gets too high they give out more tags. same as the other way around... less animals less or no tags till the population goes up.
Unless you are poaching (killing animals without a hunting license or hunting out of season or after hours.) then the population should be fine.
I can get what you are saying about if we hunt deer and take away the wolfs food then we are hurting the wolfs.. and no.
we are not by doing that.
deer will die once they run out of food (deer eat leaves and bark in the winter.) and if they cannot eat then they die and then the wolfs have nothing to eat. decreasing the number of deer in the population gives each deer more food to survive on which in turn gives the wolfs something to eat.
As you can see, Hunting is only helping the animals survive as a "Whole" longer!.
Which is more humane?
Letting the wolfs and deer DIE of starvation..
Or killing a few deer/wolfs in the hunting season (which is in the fall when the population is the strongest) to "Help" each Species survive as a whole for longer?
Whats your answer Jesus?
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Lil Sarge JR wrote...
Whats your answer Jesus?I think Jesus would respond by doing the same to the human population
Spoiler:
Comedy aside, I'd have to agree that it's pretty barbaric to go around killing things just because it's fun.
I have no problem with hunting to use them as food (within regulations).