Is partisan politics and media manipulation
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
Is partisan politics and media manipulation destroying America.
A little background is in order. I was born to Republican parents, not the current type of republican like McCain and Bush, but to Lincoln, Eisenhower aka real republican if you go by the party ideology. But im now a independent since both parties sucks.
Back to the question, is the consent fighting and putting party over country, is this going to destroy our country and our type of government( far removed for the original path our fore father fought for). And will this be solved by a overthrow of the government to change it.
A little background is in order. I was born to Republican parents, not the current type of republican like McCain and Bush, but to Lincoln, Eisenhower aka real republican if you go by the party ideology. But im now a independent since both parties sucks.
Back to the question, is the consent fighting and putting party over country, is this going to destroy our country and our type of government( far removed for the original path our fore father fought for). And will this be solved by a overthrow of the government to change it.
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shinji_ikari
Mustn't Run Away...
Tegumi wrote...
I don't see any questions.animefreak_usa wrote...
is the consent fighting and putting party over country, is this going to destroy our country and our type of government( far removed for the original path our fore father fought for). And will this be solved by a overthrow of the government to change it.^^ that looks like a question to me.
on topic: I doubt in fighting will be what takes down our country...though I'm sure it doesn't help ,and on the inquiry on whether overthrowing the government will somehow alleviate the issue your talking about...doubtful...overthrowing the government would most likely cause the nation to collapse as a whole , which really just creates a larger issue
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I think the media are too lazy and just let themselves be used by the extremists to make news. So we never hear the other side.
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kawaiiloli wrote...
I think the media are too lazy and just let themselves be used by the extremists to make news. So we never hear the other side.I don't think it is really a matter of laziness (or at least not usually) - it's due to how the networks currently view the news divisions. When I was younger (60s) news divisions were considered just that - news and weren't looked at as revenue sources but as public services - there weren't even any commercials. Now news is ruled by ratings like the rest of the programs and as a result have become just that - another program, barely able to be called news at all.
The other issue is that so much of the media is now used to voice a single entity's (corporate or individual) viewpoint - most news media can in no way be considered impartial and unbiased. This is most noticeable when covering politics.
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I am not a fan of how there are two major parties that dominate. i would like to see some kind of restrictions put on campaign spending and the way so many "news" organizations promote their favorite candidates *cough* fox news *cough*. then maybe smaller, poorer groups would have a better shot.
the democrats and republicans seem to be more interested being contrary to each other than doing what is best for the people.
the democrats and republicans seem to be more interested being contrary to each other than doing what is best for the people.
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Mr.Shaggnificent wrote...
the democrats and republicans seem to be more interested being contrary to each other than doing what is best for the people.That's my major issue with the current government - nothing constructive is being done. As for the state governments, I also have issues with that, but that's for another topic.
- Our taxes are as high as ever, and it seems that Obama is letting some of the Bush tax cuts expire (those tax cuts were probably the only thing done right). As if we need more taxes to give to to Uncle Sam.
- The government is still deficit spending, adding to our ever increasing deficit of trillions. Clinton did a good job with his zero-balance budgeting.
- The 700~800 billion dollars stimulus package should have been doubled to 1.5 trillion to turn the economic situation around. Giving small stimuli and incentives here and there is not going to help the economy turn around.
- More oversight is needed regarding how financial firms conduct their business though nothing is in the works. In short, stricter policies with the manpower to carry them through.
- Everytime Obama proposes something, the Republicans gotta disagree with them on every major and minor points, from the stimuli to the health insurance plan. Give it an effing rest and spend that time arguing and fillibusterin and do something constructive. Efficiency is important, but such policies need to be more effective than anything else.
Seriously.
If this is how the government is going to conduct themselves regarding the fate of the nation, I'm voting for the Tea Party and screw the bipartisan parties altogeher.
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People always complain about this stuff. It's not that nothing happens, because things do happen. We got Obamacare. The issue seems to me to be that the electorate is too uninformed and/or apathetic to hold politicians accountable for their actions. Sure, if you get involved in a major scandal, you will get voted out, but how many people even know what legislation their reps work on/support? Maybe they hear about a couple bills during the campaign season from the rep or a political opponent, but that's usually it. And how many people really know what these bills mean? Everyone has a plan that is going to create jobs and stimulate our economy while lowering taxes, doubling the funding of our schools, and keeping all our entitlements intact.
Conversely, anyone who has a real strategy to fix problems(which of course involved scenarios that aren't pure fantasy and giving some things up or accepting taxes) gets skewered by opponents for being for taxes/hating our schools/trying to kill everyone over 50 with death panels/other shock stories. It's not so much a partisan thing as an opportunistic thing. It happens in both general elections and primaries. There are plenty of people who want to get into politics, and they'll use any opening they get. Voters aren't informed enough to have a nuanced view of issues, so politicians who are bold, simplistic and vague in their statements, and aggressive in attacking opposition win races. And then when they fail to follow their fantastical and impossible strategies once elected, the public usually doesn't understand why they failed, or sometimes if they failed. We just wait for the next candidate to come along and tell us the last guy secretly hates America.
By the way, this isn't even close to being correct. Well, the part about taxes being as high as ever. Whether or not you think they are too high is another matter altogether.
This is the problem. How do you do both and lower taxes? Well, the politicians will tell you they will cut waste and corruption. Good luck. While the amount of waste and corruption are appalling in one sense($10 million is a lot to most of us, especially if it's being used to build a bridge to nowhere or something), even if we got rid of all of it, it wouldn't come anywhere close to fixing the deficit. In general, you can have a balanced budget, or stimulus spending, or lower taxes, but not all of them. Well we could get rid of entitlement programs, but they are called the 3rd rail of politics for a reason.
Conversely, anyone who has a real strategy to fix problems(which of course involved scenarios that aren't pure fantasy and giving some things up or accepting taxes) gets skewered by opponents for being for taxes/hating our schools/trying to kill everyone over 50 with death panels/other shock stories. It's not so much a partisan thing as an opportunistic thing. It happens in both general elections and primaries. There are plenty of people who want to get into politics, and they'll use any opening they get. Voters aren't informed enough to have a nuanced view of issues, so politicians who are bold, simplistic and vague in their statements, and aggressive in attacking opposition win races. And then when they fail to follow their fantastical and impossible strategies once elected, the public usually doesn't understand why they failed, or sometimes if they failed. We just wait for the next candidate to come along and tell us the last guy secretly hates America.
Our taxes are as high as ever, and it seems that Obama is letting some of the Bush tax cuts expire (those tax cuts were probably the only thing done right). As if we need more taxes to give to to Uncle Sam.
By the way, this isn't even close to being correct. Well, the part about taxes being as high as ever. Whether or not you think they are too high is another matter altogether.
The government is still deficit spending, adding to our ever increasing deficit of trillions. Clinton did a good job with his zero-balance budgeting.
- The 700~800 billion dollars stimulus package should have been doubled to 1.5 trillion to turn the economic situation around. Giving small stimuli and incentives here and there is not going to help the economy turn around.
- The 700~800 billion dollars stimulus package should have been doubled to 1.5 trillion to turn the economic situation around. Giving small stimuli and incentives here and there is not going to help the economy turn around.
This is the problem. How do you do both and lower taxes? Well, the politicians will tell you they will cut waste and corruption. Good luck. While the amount of waste and corruption are appalling in one sense($10 million is a lot to most of us, especially if it's being used to build a bridge to nowhere or something), even if we got rid of all of it, it wouldn't come anywhere close to fixing the deficit. In general, you can have a balanced budget, or stimulus spending, or lower taxes, but not all of them. Well we could get rid of entitlement programs, but they are called the 3rd rail of politics for a reason.
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Grammar, dog.
The bipartisan system is a lie. Both sides have been moderated into inaction. With the exeption of abortion and gun control, both parties want the same thing with different wording.
I'm under the impression that the lack of alternative media outlets and the people's inaction habit are the real culprits. There was a time when dissatisfaction ruled the world. If it wasn't getting done right, you stand up, and do it yourself. Now, a walk in the park is extremism (no spell check on the mobile), wheat paste makes for terrorism, and the crimethink button is just a word away.
The bipartisan system is a lie. Both sides have been moderated into inaction. With the exeption of abortion and gun control, both parties want the same thing with different wording.
I'm under the impression that the lack of alternative media outlets and the people's inaction habit are the real culprits. There was a time when dissatisfaction ruled the world. If it wasn't getting done right, you stand up, and do it yourself. Now, a walk in the park is extremism (no spell check on the mobile), wheat paste makes for terrorism, and the crimethink button is just a word away.
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@Whitelion: I like to believe that our taxes are really too high considering what certain government sectors are spending their money on, like overpaid, overrated education pension funds and overpaid governmental workers. Of course, I state this as an opinion, not fact. Living in NJ, which has the highest property taxes of all the states in the USA, makes you rethink why we’re paying taxes.
Then again, perhaps the deficit is something of lesser concern considering the state of the economy. However, I firmly believe that the stimulus spending should have been doubled to the extent where the government doesn’t have to dole out smaller stimulus packages (e.g. the small business bill approved today) that might have a negligible effect overall.
Then again, perhaps the deficit is something of lesser concern considering the state of the economy. However, I firmly believe that the stimulus spending should have been doubled to the extent where the government doesn’t have to dole out smaller stimulus packages (e.g. the small business bill approved today) that might have a negligible effect overall.
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g-money wrote...
That's my major issue with the current government - nothing constructive is being done. As for the state governments, I also have issues with that, but that's for another topic.
- Our taxes are as high as ever, and it seems that Obama is letting some of the Bush tax cuts expire (those tax cuts were probably the only thing done right). As if we need more taxes to give to to Uncle Sam.
- The government is still deficit spending, adding to our ever increasing deficit of trillions. Clinton did a good job with his zero-balance budgeting.
- The 700~800 billion dollars stimulus package should have been doubled to 1.5 trillion to turn the economic situation around. Giving small stimuli and incentives here and there is not going to help the economy turn around.
- More oversight is needed regarding how financial firms conduct their business though nothing is in the works. In short, stricter policies with the manpower to carry them through.
- Everytime Obama proposes something, the Republicans gotta disagree with them on every major and minor points, from the stimuli to the health insurance plan. Give it an effing rest and spend that time arguing and fillibusterin and do something constructive. Efficiency is important, but such policies need to be more effective than anything else.
Seriously.
If this is how the government is going to conduct themselves regarding the fate of the nation, I'm voting for the Tea Party and screw the bipartisan parties altogeher.
At the risk of going off topic...You might want to re-check what you have been told. Obama has actually cut taxes for the vast majority of Americans from what I have read.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/28/barack-obama/tax-cut-95-percent-stimulus-made-it-so/
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-6201911-503544.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/15/tax-day-2010-protesters-i_n_538556.html
It more than likely isn't so clear cut due to media bias, but I doubt that taxes are the highest they have ever been... This said if I'm wrong I'd be interested to read any links you have.
Also in respect to bush cutting taxes...They only really benefited the rich and increased the wealth gap. Trickle down economics are amazing and everything, but if you don't bring your working class up in terms of standards of living and education with the rich your national workforce is going to stagnate. You will get people who are smarter and willing to work harder avoiding college because of the extreme costs. I can complain about how it's not fair, but it's not good for America's economy either, especially when it comes to the global market. That and if your working class can't afford your products you're not going to be able to sell as much. It's a difficult balance.
Ironically this situation is not so different from "the political elite" the tea party continuously insists we should be weary of (seeing as how America seems to be swayed a lot more by those with money than in other countries). I would be wary of the tea party...they have bloomed pretty much in the same fashion as the BNP did just before the UK elections...except the BNP did it without corporate backing...
Actually on topic I find that quite a few American's seem to be very preoccupied being a "republican family" or a "democrat family" and such. I might be sheltered, but I don't see this in other countries. In all honesty, this destroys a pretty huge benefit of democracy.
I think this and the need to fix the voting system (to something closer to proportional representation as opposed to first past the post) would be better....Just my opinion....
As for news media in the US, to me it seems a lot more like entertainment than it could ever be news. News reporters give facts, and attempt to eliminate bias where they can so that you can make up your own mind for yourself (good ones in respect to journalism ethics do anyway...). Stations in the US tend to be busy not reporting what they don't like, and carefully omitting things in stories they do run to tip the tide in whatever party they support.
TL;DR yes
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God's..... I love intellectual conversation. Okay, G-money has said it pretty well. Few points though, Firstly, the Tea Party is likely not going to make it without some serious Mulah. ($$$) The current setup both constitutionally and with the control of the bipartisans, well.....lets just say its damn near highly unlikely. (Impossible not in my vocabulary)
Frankly, the politicians are too focused on themselves. Kind of makes me wish Biden had been made president. I like his ethics.
Anyhow, only realy change will occur through the people, but as you all know. Americans have become....lazy in the past 50 years. Shit, 40% of the poulation at least is heavily obese, with another 30% being overweight. Aside from the "might as well be propoganda" BS on television, peole just plain dont have a will to stand up for themselves and take responsibility. Were all too focused on the spacegoats and the who can we blame all our troubles on. Shit, things are so shitty, cant even get a job with a fancy college degree or even a masters without fucking having connections somehow.
And of those who will standup, their so few that it doesnt make a difference. Their efforts are just drowned out in the sea of BS surrounding us. I'm rooting for climate change and a good old apocolopytic scare to wake people up.
Frankly, the politicians are too focused on themselves. Kind of makes me wish Biden had been made president. I like his ethics.
Anyhow, only realy change will occur through the people, but as you all know. Americans have become....lazy in the past 50 years. Shit, 40% of the poulation at least is heavily obese, with another 30% being overweight. Aside from the "might as well be propoganda" BS on television, peole just plain dont have a will to stand up for themselves and take responsibility. Were all too focused on the spacegoats and the who can we blame all our troubles on. Shit, things are so shitty, cant even get a job with a fancy college degree or even a masters without fucking having connections somehow.
And of those who will standup, their so few that it doesnt make a difference. Their efforts are just drowned out in the sea of BS surrounding us. I'm rooting for climate change and a good old apocolopytic scare to wake people up.