[Locked] Islam is absurd, how about some poems?
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There's been a lot of topics about people 'fearing' muslims, and Islam being misunderstood, whether or not it's violent, and blah blah blah.
I've decided instead to do with Islam as I do with Christianity...make fun of what I find absurd about it. Namely, things I can find in the bible...or in this case...the Quran :). This way, I can point to this topic in case anyone should ask me if I have any reason to reject Islam specifically.
As a disclaimer, the reason I'm putting up straight absurdities instead of violent verses is because I don't want to get engaged in another war about whether or not Islam is 'peaceful' or not. I don't find it to be peaceful, but I can't convince any muslim, or even many non muslims of that...however I think it's far easier to point out how silly its supposedly holy texts are. For the purposes of this topic, I'll just be making...well...a poem of sorts, listing off scientific absurdities, as well as the verses in the Quran that they can be found in :). As for the purpose of this topic, I encourage some other poems about other religions, or even poems about atheism(I am not an exclusive person) outlining what you feel to be the most absurd notions about them.
Now then.
[024:024] Talking hands, talking feet
[041:020] ears that talk too
[041:020] Talking flesh and eyes
Does that make sense to you?
[009:040] Invisible light angels
[055:015] Smokeless fire "Jinns"
These are a few of my favorite things.
[041:010] Creation of Earth
[041:012] Before all the stars
[054:001] Splitting the moon in two
Oh what a farce
[105:001] Elephants to chewed grass
[105:003] By stones dropped from birds
These are a few of the Quran's absurds
[029:014] Millenia old men when God sent the flood
[091:002] Saying that humans are made from clotted blood
[007:189] In conflict with evolution
[002:065] Turning humans to apes
These are a few of the Quran's mistakes!
When you tell me, Allah will burn me
It will make me sad
So I remember these ludicrous things
and then I don't feel...so bad.
[029:002] Viruses made for us
Is that a joke?
[041:011]The earth didn't exist
When the heavens were smoke
[006:038] Worms in communities
[016:066] Milk from cow's bellies
These are a few of the Quran's smellies.
I think Quran's telling us a big load of fibs
[085:5-7] Like semen preceding from backbones and ribs
[002:072-73] Raising dead people from joints made of beef
[007:054] The night being a veil
this just beggar's belief.
[091:1-2] The moon follows the sun
[018:086] Which sets in a pool
[013:003] The earth is not flat
[081:002] And stars do not fall
Trying to work out [004:11-12] who gets what in a will, I just keep protesting until...
When you tell me, Allah will burn me
and it makes me sad
I simply remember these ludicrous things
then I don't feel...so bad...
When you tell me, Allah will burn me
And it makes me sad
I simply remember these ludicrous things
[054:022] Like the Quran is easy to understand.
So...whatcha got Fakku?
I've decided instead to do with Islam as I do with Christianity...make fun of what I find absurd about it. Namely, things I can find in the bible...or in this case...the Quran :). This way, I can point to this topic in case anyone should ask me if I have any reason to reject Islam specifically.
As a disclaimer, the reason I'm putting up straight absurdities instead of violent verses is because I don't want to get engaged in another war about whether or not Islam is 'peaceful' or not. I don't find it to be peaceful, but I can't convince any muslim, or even many non muslims of that...however I think it's far easier to point out how silly its supposedly holy texts are. For the purposes of this topic, I'll just be making...well...a poem of sorts, listing off scientific absurdities, as well as the verses in the Quran that they can be found in :). As for the purpose of this topic, I encourage some other poems about other religions, or even poems about atheism(I am not an exclusive person) outlining what you feel to be the most absurd notions about them.
Now then.
[024:024] Talking hands, talking feet
[041:020] ears that talk too
[041:020] Talking flesh and eyes
Does that make sense to you?
[009:040] Invisible light angels
[055:015] Smokeless fire "Jinns"
These are a few of my favorite things.
[041:010] Creation of Earth
[041:012] Before all the stars
[054:001] Splitting the moon in two
Oh what a farce
[105:001] Elephants to chewed grass
[105:003] By stones dropped from birds
These are a few of the Quran's absurds
[029:014] Millenia old men when God sent the flood
[091:002] Saying that humans are made from clotted blood
[007:189] In conflict with evolution
[002:065] Turning humans to apes
These are a few of the Quran's mistakes!
When you tell me, Allah will burn me
It will make me sad
So I remember these ludicrous things
and then I don't feel...so bad.
[029:002] Viruses made for us
Is that a joke?
[041:011]The earth didn't exist
When the heavens were smoke
[006:038] Worms in communities
[016:066] Milk from cow's bellies
These are a few of the Quran's smellies.
I think Quran's telling us a big load of fibs
[085:5-7] Like semen preceding from backbones and ribs
[002:072-73] Raising dead people from joints made of beef
[007:054] The night being a veil
this just beggar's belief.
[091:1-2] The moon follows the sun
[018:086] Which sets in a pool
[013:003] The earth is not flat
[081:002] And stars do not fall
Trying to work out [004:11-12] who gets what in a will, I just keep protesting until...
When you tell me, Allah will burn me
and it makes me sad
I simply remember these ludicrous things
then I don't feel...so bad...
When you tell me, Allah will burn me
And it makes me sad
I simply remember these ludicrous things
[054:022] Like the Quran is easy to understand.
So...whatcha got Fakku?
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For you to insult another's religion. The one you're devoted to has plenty to spare as well.
"Children who refuse to obey their parents must be executed."
"And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat. -- Leviticus 26:16"
"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. -- Psalm 137:9"
"“He also who is slack in his work is brother to him who destroys. [Proverbs 18:9]” - Bible"
"Leviticus 20:13"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
(Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)"
In all, stop getting the Serious Discussing to becoming another religion debate shitstorm again.
/report.
"Children who refuse to obey their parents must be executed."
"And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat. -- Leviticus 26:16"
"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. -- Psalm 137:9"
"“He also who is slack in his work is brother to him who destroys. [Proverbs 18:9]” - Bible"
"Leviticus 20:13"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
(Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)"
In all, stop getting the Serious Discussing to becoming another religion debate shitstorm again.
/report.
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I'm not sure if you think I'm a christian or what, but whatever.
I think it is quite serious to discuss the absurdities of religion, and religious views. Why would this not be a good thing? Why would you think that discussing the flaws of religions is something to be avoided? I mean, you ARE aware tat there are people who believe everything I typed up to be historical fact, right? You are aware there are some christians who think those verses you quoted are actually moral, right?
Pointing out the absurdities of religion is the only way to convince the rational that...perhaps...they're not tenable positions to hold. It's the same way we get people to stop believing Elvis is alive, to stop believing that Santa exists at a young age...why should this critical view of silly beliefs be restricted and confined away from religious views?
This is what rational people do. They tell each other where they feel each other are wrong, and usually discuss WHY they think each other are wrong, so that we can come to a collective agreement as to what is right. You seem to be against this method of discourse. Interesting perspective.
I think it is quite serious to discuss the absurdities of religion, and religious views. Why would this not be a good thing? Why would you think that discussing the flaws of religions is something to be avoided? I mean, you ARE aware tat there are people who believe everything I typed up to be historical fact, right? You are aware there are some christians who think those verses you quoted are actually moral, right?
Pointing out the absurdities of religion is the only way to convince the rational that...perhaps...they're not tenable positions to hold. It's the same way we get people to stop believing Elvis is alive, to stop believing that Santa exists at a young age...why should this critical view of silly beliefs be restricted and confined away from religious views?
This is what rational people do. They tell each other where they feel each other are wrong, and usually discuss WHY they think each other are wrong, so that we can come to a collective agreement as to what is right. You seem to be against this method of discourse. Interesting perspective.
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BigLundi wrote...
I'm not sure if you think I'm a christian or what, but whatever.I give zero interest in whatever religion you're at.
BigLundi wrote...
I think it is quite serious to discuss the absurdities of religion, and religious views. Why would this not be a good thing? Why would you think that discussing the flaws of religions is something to be avoided? I mean, you ARE aware tat there are people who believe everything I typed up to be historical fact, right? You are aware there are some christians who think those verses you quoted are actually moral, right?
BigLundi wrote...
I've decided instead to do with Islam as I do with Christianity...MAKE FUNof what I find absurd about it.
I totally see your "interest" to debate. Oh-great-religion-preacher. Your very motive of your topic post reeks a tone of mockery of another's religion
Fakku just got out off a endless whirlpool of religion debate a month or 2 back ago and i have not a single intention of geting it suck in again. If you want to debate matters of faith so much, head to a islam forum and do so.
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You know, I may have actually enjoyed this thread if it didn't insist on insulting a commonly-taken-to-extremes religious group.
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HiroyukiShota wrote...
BigLundi wrote...
I'm not sure if you think I'm a christian or what, but whatever.I give zero interest in whatever religion you're at.
Well then I'm completely unsure what the heck that first bit was in your post. It sounded like you were saying I was making fun of Islam when Christianity had bad things too...making me...some sort of hypocrite...so if you don't care what religion I'm in, why bother with the bible quotes?
I totally see your "interest" to debate. Oh-great-religion-preacher. Your very motive of your topic post reeks a tone of mockery of another's religion.
I already explained the mockery, and why I feel it's necessary to do such mockery in the interest of rational discourse. IF you choose to ignore justifications for things because you'd rather be self righteous, then fine, just go away. :)
Fakku just got out off a endless whirlpool of religion debate a month or 2 back ago and i have not a single intention of geting it suck in again. If you want to debate matters of faith so much, head to a islam forum and do so.
Ah, I see, so religion has no place in a Serious Discussion forum, because we had a bunch of that discussion a couple months ago and you're tired of it? Well, sorry, but I find religion to be a serious discussion, and I'm a member of Fakku, so I'm not really doing anything wrong in posting here. IF you don't like it, and can't handle any sort of mockery of absurd beliefs without assuming something negative, again...just go away. I'm not forcing you to read this topic and the fun little poem. :)
gizgal wrote...
You know, I may have actually enjoyed this thread if it didn't insist on insulting a commonly-taken-to-extremes religious group.Well, then how about we get onto the more humorous aspects of the religion instead of, as I specifically said I was avoiding, the aspects of the 'extremist views' like...say...terrorism and whatnot. Instead of attacking that point, where there tends to be heated discussion about who's ignorant of what, instead, I've decided to address the same things I would address in ANY religion...which, if you're sincere in your concern that Islam is taken to extremes too much, you should probably encourage.
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BigLundi wrote...
I already explained the mockery, and why I feel it's necessary to do such mockery in the interest of rational discourse. IF you choose to ignore justifications for things because you'd rather be self righteous, then fine, just go away. :)
.../facepalm
No discrimination.
-You may not insult members based on their religion, race, sex, political beliefs etc. Racism will NOT be tolerated.
mock·ery
1: insulting or contemptuous action or speech : derision
2: a subject of laughter, derision, or sport
3: a counterfeit appearance : imitation b : an insincere, contemptible, or impertinent imitation
4: something ridiculously or impudently unsuitable
1: insulting or contemptuous action or speech : derision
2: a subject of laughter, derision, or sport
3: a counterfeit appearance : imitation b : an insincere, contemptible, or impertinent imitation
4: something ridiculously or impudently unsuitable
Ah, I see, so religion has no place in a Serious Discussion forum, because we had a bunch of that discussion a couple months ago and you're tired of it? Well, sorry, but I find religion to be a serious discussion, and I'm a member of Fakku, so I'm not really doing anything wrong in posting here. IF you don't like it, and can't handle any sort of mockery of absurd beliefs without assuming something negative, again...just go away. I'm not forcing you to read this topic and the fun little poem. :)
This.
This topic is proof itself that i'm not the only one who thinks having religion thrown about in this section is irritating. With YOU yourself posting in it claiming partial responsibility. So basically, you're just trying to stir shit up again after it settled? How annoying of a troll are you trying to be?
To add on.
I don't want to get engaged in another war about whether or not Islam is 'peaceful' or not. I don't find it to be peaceful, but I can't convince any muslim, or even many non muslims of that
You scrammed from the "Islam is a peaceful religion." when your point can't connect to others AND created another topic in hopes of repeating the same process. How brilliant.
Spoiler:
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Do you have no discrete? Tell me BigLundi, with these threads what exactly are you trying to do? What's your purpose in making this thread?
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Gravity cat
the adequately amused
In before lock for another inflammatory Religious thread, in this case a dig at Islamism.
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HiroyukiShota wrote...
No discrimination.-You may not insult members based on their religion, race, sex, political beliefs etc. Racism will NOT be tolerated.
He's, from what I can see, not insulting anyone based on their religion. He's insulting, or rather ridicules, the religion itself.
Your accusation is false.
However, I don't think this thread belongs in Serious Discussion.
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Virgo wrote...
HiroyukiShota wrote...
No discrimination.-You may not insult members based on their religion, race, sex, political beliefs etc. Racism will NOT be tolerated.
He's, from what I can see, not insulting anyone based on their religion. He's insulting, or rather ridicules, the religion itself.
Your accusation is false.
However, I don't think this thread belongs in Serious Discussion.
It's a thin line separating the 2 factors in this case.
Eg. A-kun treasures the fact that he's a *insert religion here*.
B-kun walks up and starts rapping a list long reason why being a *Insert religion here* is for pussies without knowing that A-kun is of that religion.
A-kun is offended, proceeds to buttrape B-kun.
Essentially, this is indirect discrimination. The topic itself is asking for a flamewar, especially with such a volatile subject.
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Anesthetize wrote...
Do you have no discrete? Tell me BigLundi, with these threads what exactly are you trying to do? What's your purpose in making this thread?As I said earlier, my purpose in this thread is to introduce...well...discussion.
The fact is, religions all over the world believe all sorts of ridiculous things, which, can lead to some rather bad results. to quote Voltaire "If you can get people to believe absurdities, you can get them to commit atrocities."
I am of the volition that there is no reason to respect the beliefs of any religion in the world. I believe that religious beliefs should be mocked JUST as much as any other ridiculous belief. We wouldn't respect the beliefs of someone who stood up and said everyone needed to leave the Ocean alone because it pisses off Poseidon. We wouldn't allow people who go around proclaiming that Elvis is still alive to spout their beliefs without snorts of laughter.
Religion is no different, and my attempt with this thread is to show that.
I'm still unsure why so many people think this is going to be locked. I've said nothing racist, or bigoted, or hateful, and I have a rather good purpose for this thread. If I am locked, then I submit there's no good reason for it. I'm encouraging intelligent criticisms of beliefs. Criticisms that, if one wishes to be intellectually honest, should be welcome in the realm of rational discourse. Why? Because in my honest opinion, all people should care about whether their beliefs are true or not, and strive to believe as many true things, and not believe as many false things as possible.
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gizgal wrote...
You know, I may have actually enjoyed this thread if it didn't insist on insulting a commonly-taken-to-extremes religious group.This. Religion threads make me not want to even read anything in SD anymore. In before lock. Oh and to the OP, even if I don't believe in any religion at all or find all of it silly that no reason to make fun of it. I know its your opinion and you are entitled to it but don't be surprised if people think you are an asshole or something.
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HiroyukiShota wrote...
.../facepalm
No discrimination.
-You may not insult members based on their religion, race, sex, political beliefs etc. Racism will NOT be tolerated.
Great, now point out where I insulted any member based on their religion. Oh wait, you can't, because I didn't. :)
This.
This topic is proof itself that i'm not the only one who thinks having religion thrown about in this section is irritating. With YOU yourself posting in it claiming partial responsibility. So basically, you're just trying to stir shit up again after it settled? How annoying of a troll are you trying to be?
To add on.
This topic is proof itself that i'm not the only one who thinks having religion thrown about in this section is irritating. With YOU yourself posting in it claiming partial responsibility. So basically, you're just trying to stir shit up again after it settled? How annoying of a troll are you trying to be?
To add on.
"I'm not the only one tired of religious discussion!"
Yeah, I don't care, and I don't see why I should. Again, if you don't want to discuss religion, if the entire subject is tiring to you...then go...away. You can call me a troll, but I'm not being a troll. A troll is someone who intentionally says things, simply to piss people off, often holding a position they don't really have, just so that people will try to put them in their place, so they can laugh at people getting angry over the internet.
I am not doing anything of the sort. I'm giving criticism where criticism is due.
You scrammed from the "Islam is a peaceful religion." when your point can't connect to others AND created another topic in hopes of repeating the same process. How brilliant.
Spoiler:
Again, not a troll. But I understand the methodology. "I can't argue your points, and your points are unpopular with me, so I'll just call you a troll." It's the last resort from someone who clearly has no interest in any actual serious discussion.
As far as me discussing the 'peacefulness' of Islam and 'scramming'? I've already been in another thread where I spent several pages giving my point, and indeed got +repped for it, meaning clearly I'm not the only one who thinks it isn't. the problem is, people who don't already agree with me tend to see any mocking of Islam or its tenets as simply being racist bigotry (just like you! :P) so there's honestly no reason to get into ANOTHER several page discussion about the 'violence' in Islam, because I've already said everything I've needed to say. Check out "Why do people still fear muslims?" I have several pages of discussion there I don't feel like mirroring.
brok3n butterfly wrote...
gizgal wrote...
You know, I may have actually enjoyed this thread if it didn't insist on insulting a commonly-taken-to-extremes religious group.This. Religion threads make me not want to even read anything in SD anymore. In before lock. Oh and to the OP, even if I don't believe in any religion at all or find all of it silly that no reason to make fun of it. I know its your opinion and you are entitled to it but don't be surprised if people think you are an asshole or something.
Why?
I seriously don't understand it. I'm not the only one who mocks silly beliefs, I'm just the only one mocking silly RELIGIOUS beliefs. There are topics all over SD where people call others "Ignorant" about whatever political position they hold, insult them for being a "liberal" or a "conservative" or whatever it is, yet for SOME odd reason, this criticism, this active debate is shut down when it comes to religion...why? Silly beliefs are silly beliefs. And if the beliefs are true, there should be NO problem with critiquing them at all, because true beliefs can stand up to scrutiny.
I honestly...and I really mean honestly here, don't understand why religious discussion is so...stifled? Why are we not allowed to point out verses in 'holy books' that are clearly silly? Why not? I REALLY want an answer.
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BigLundi wrote...
*Loads of recycled herp derp.*I forgot, it's practically useless to argue with a troll. Much less one that doesn't know he's one to the bones.
Nothing to see here guys, head back to real topic that deserves REAL discussion.
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BigLundi wrote...
Why?I seriously don't understand it. I'm not the only one who mocks silly beliefs, I'm just the only one mocking silly RELIGIOUS beliefs. There are topics all over SD where people call others "Ignorant" about whatever political position they hold, insult them for being a "liberal" or a "conservative" or whatever it is, yet for SOME odd reason, this criticism, this active debate is shut down when it comes to religion...why? Silly beliefs are silly beliefs. And if the beliefs are true, there should be NO problem with critiquing them at all, because true beliefs can stand up to scrutiny.
I honestly...and I really mean honestly here, don't understand why religious discussion is so...stifled? Why are we not allowed to point out verses in 'holy books' that are clearly silly? Why not? I REALLY want an answer.
Try to remember that religion is something that some people hold on a very high pedestal. Suicide bombers come to mind as being maybe a bit too high. I personally know people that hold their religion to a high standard. I refrain from saying anything to them, or in a place where I don't know my exact audience, about my own religious views, in the sense of picking out things that are absurd, because they might (and probably will) find it offensive.
Generally people seem to be like that. "We" are more concerned about unintentionally offending someone who holds religion that high that "we" just don't talk about it at all. On other other hand, politics seems to be something that society accepts as a total joke/circus/masquerade/etc which is why people can be quicker to say "that's stupid".
This is Fakku.net not LetsTalkSmartlyAboutReligion.org so I wouldn't expect a great thought-provoking discussion from the audience here. Regardless of whether the beliefs are true or not, "we" just don't talk about it all.
It's interesting though since the media seems to love people who flaunt religion and people who equally (debunk?/defame?) it. The rest of us just seem to say nothing. It's disappointing but it is how it is.
Lastly, you should add some stuff from the Bible and Torah and every other religious text so at least it doesn't look like you are picking on Islam only.
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Mod Note: Topic has been locked.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions on the various religions. However, Fakku is a global site and I have to consider the feelings of other users. I believe more than 1 user have expressed offense and unhappiness at this controversial topic.
Thank you for your kind understanding and I apologize for the inconvenience caused.
Mod Edit:
The following would a reply from BigLundi to justify his/her reasons for starting this discussion. I promised to quote BigLundi's reply in this thread, and here it is:
Alright Gambler.
I understand the position you're in, that you have to placate unhappy users the best way possible, and try to make as many users as possible happy. However with all due respect, I must ask that anyone who is 'unhappy' at my topic...needs to learn that criticism doesn't = bigotry.
Nothing I did in my post was offensive, or at the very least not intentionally so. Nothing I said in my post was against muslims. Nothing I said in my post was racist, bigoted, or aimed at any one user whatsoever.
The only things I did in my post is as follows:
1. I made a poem about why I find the Quran to be absurd, and why I don't take it seriously.
2. I made an open invitation that if anyone shoud think I'm wrong, or think another religion is just as absurd, to post a response, or even make a counter poem.
3. I argued furthur on that there is no difference when it comes to the ability to criticize, between one's religious beliefs, and one's political affiliations. Political affiliations which, are constantly insulted or argued or criticized in Serious Discussion feverishly and nonstop.
I did my very best to criticize Islam as a religion in a fun, but semi-serious manner. I did my research, I made sure none of my criticisms were unfounded, and even cited the Quranic passages when I referenced the absurdities.
If someone would like to argue with me over whether or not the claims made are absurd, or even if I'm not understanding the Quran well, I am perfectly open to this, and have no in any way shown that I am not open to the concept.
To lock my topic, in my opinion, sets a precedent that it is no longer ok to criticize religion. Not justt Islam, but Christianity too. It sets the precedent that if a topic offends anyone, it can be instantly locked. It sets a very, bad, precedent indeed.
Again, if I offended anyone, I want to make it clear that it was not my intention ot offend anyone in particular, however, nobody, either on or off the internet, has some inherent right to not be offended. Free speech is something I value, and treasure, and one might almost say I revere it religiously. I did not make a thread that was ill researched, with bad grammar, and was simply a blatant insult. I pointed out the same criticisms I would point out, even if it wasn't a religious belief.
I do not single out Islam either. Anyone can look up my history and see that I've made whole topics about how I feel religion in general, and christianity some times in particular fail to account for any sort of coherent morality, that the bible holds just as many silly beliefs, and immoral passages as any Islamic holy text, and that religion is, in my furvent opinion, a main problem with the world today.
If my topic can be locked without any reason, other than people are wrongly 'offended' by its content...then I simply wonder how long until other beliefs and positions can no longer be criticized without a lock. I simpyl wonder how long it will take until criticizing libertarianism is no longer allowed. How long it takes until criticizing moral models like Objectivism, and Consequentialism is allowed.
How long until criticisms are banned outright, I would wonder?
Don't get me wrong, I understand that there is such a thing as a troll. there is such a thing as someone who will make a topic purely to piss people off, and those topics SHOULD be locked. But a serious topic, concernign a serious subject, giving serious criticism...is not a troll topic, by any stretch of the imagination.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions on the various religions. However, Fakku is a global site and I have to consider the feelings of other users. I believe more than 1 user have expressed offense and unhappiness at this controversial topic.
Thank you for your kind understanding and I apologize for the inconvenience caused.
Mod Edit:
The following would a reply from BigLundi to justify his/her reasons for starting this discussion. I promised to quote BigLundi's reply in this thread, and here it is:
BigLundi wrote...
Alright Gambler.
I understand the position you're in, that you have to placate unhappy users the best way possible, and try to make as many users as possible happy. However with all due respect, I must ask that anyone who is 'unhappy' at my topic...needs to learn that criticism doesn't = bigotry.
Nothing I did in my post was offensive, or at the very least not intentionally so. Nothing I said in my post was against muslims. Nothing I said in my post was racist, bigoted, or aimed at any one user whatsoever.
The only things I did in my post is as follows:
1. I made a poem about why I find the Quran to be absurd, and why I don't take it seriously.
2. I made an open invitation that if anyone shoud think I'm wrong, or think another religion is just as absurd, to post a response, or even make a counter poem.
3. I argued furthur on that there is no difference when it comes to the ability to criticize, between one's religious beliefs, and one's political affiliations. Political affiliations which, are constantly insulted or argued or criticized in Serious Discussion feverishly and nonstop.
I did my very best to criticize Islam as a religion in a fun, but semi-serious manner. I did my research, I made sure none of my criticisms were unfounded, and even cited the Quranic passages when I referenced the absurdities.
If someone would like to argue with me over whether or not the claims made are absurd, or even if I'm not understanding the Quran well, I am perfectly open to this, and have no in any way shown that I am not open to the concept.
To lock my topic, in my opinion, sets a precedent that it is no longer ok to criticize religion. Not justt Islam, but Christianity too. It sets the precedent that if a topic offends anyone, it can be instantly locked. It sets a very, bad, precedent indeed.
Again, if I offended anyone, I want to make it clear that it was not my intention ot offend anyone in particular, however, nobody, either on or off the internet, has some inherent right to not be offended. Free speech is something I value, and treasure, and one might almost say I revere it religiously. I did not make a thread that was ill researched, with bad grammar, and was simply a blatant insult. I pointed out the same criticisms I would point out, even if it wasn't a religious belief.
I do not single out Islam either. Anyone can look up my history and see that I've made whole topics about how I feel religion in general, and christianity some times in particular fail to account for any sort of coherent morality, that the bible holds just as many silly beliefs, and immoral passages as any Islamic holy text, and that religion is, in my furvent opinion, a main problem with the world today.
If my topic can be locked without any reason, other than people are wrongly 'offended' by its content...then I simply wonder how long until other beliefs and positions can no longer be criticized without a lock. I simpyl wonder how long it will take until criticizing libertarianism is no longer allowed. How long it takes until criticizing moral models like Objectivism, and Consequentialism is allowed.
How long until criticisms are banned outright, I would wonder?
Don't get me wrong, I understand that there is such a thing as a troll. there is such a thing as someone who will make a topic purely to piss people off, and those topics SHOULD be locked. But a serious topic, concernign a serious subject, giving serious criticism...is not a troll topic, by any stretch of the imagination.