Israel v Iran - Tensions Rising - Possible WW3 Scenario
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What do you guys think about the potential this conflict has to start a world war. I'd like to hear why you think such a scenario could come to pass and whose interests are at stake behind the scenes.
Conversely if you think the conflict will not amount to anything - go ahead and tell us why!
Conversely if you think the conflict will not amount to anything - go ahead and tell us why!
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While I do believe there are too few actors for any possibility of a full on World War, perhaps in the future escalation will rise once again to climax and war will bloody the middle east once again.I say this for quite a few interconnected and random reasons, if you don't mind them being in a list here are some reasons
1.Volatile relations already pose beginnings of skirmishes
2.As always,Middle east=oil, oil=profit, and with the discovery of replenishable oil, who knows.
3. Al Qaeda in Africa and concurrent support for them as they try to support some relief and insurgent training camps
4.US in Africa,100 deployed "war advisors" within proximity to areas with reported increase of Al Qaeda, these two factions tend to mix as well together as perhaps oil and water
5.uncertainty caused by Arab Spring
6.Massive War causes a ripple of economic stimulus on various sectors
7.Massive War also could cause potential economic degress, economic collapse causes full on war and in-fighting
1.Volatile relations already pose beginnings of skirmishes
2.As always,Middle east=oil, oil=profit, and with the discovery of replenishable oil, who knows.
3. Al Qaeda in Africa and concurrent support for them as they try to support some relief and insurgent training camps
4.US in Africa,100 deployed "war advisors" within proximity to areas with reported increase of Al Qaeda, these two factions tend to mix as well together as perhaps oil and water
5.uncertainty caused by Arab Spring
6.Massive War causes a ripple of economic stimulus on various sectors
7.Massive War also could cause potential economic degress, economic collapse causes full on war and in-fighting
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I dont think a World War will come about anytime soon... Certainly not over trifles like Israel and Iran!
Iran probably will get invaded soon because they're actually crazy enough to use Nuclear weapons and the US is VERY itchy about that kind of thing. (Basically Nuclear weapons not under control of whites is totally unacceptable)
Another reason why a 'World War' wont come about soon is that the main candidate isnt ready to come out and play yet! (Germanys still on its well earned 'vacation' from fun and games)
Iran probably will get invaded soon because they're actually crazy enough to use Nuclear weapons and the US is VERY itchy about that kind of thing. (Basically Nuclear weapons not under control of whites is totally unacceptable)
Another reason why a 'World War' wont come about soon is that the main candidate isnt ready to come out and play yet! (Germanys still on its well earned 'vacation' from fun and games)
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Israel may have the support of the UN but Iran doesn't really have enough support to cause a "world war". If war breaks out, it will be confined only in those two areas.
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apatch3 wrote...
What do you guys think about the potential this conflict has to start a world war. I'd like to hear why you think such a scenario could come to pass and whose interests are at stake behind the scenes. Conversely if you think the conflict will not amount to anything - go ahead and tell us why!
I dunno. But i dont think this conflict can start a world war. Maybe a reigional war, yes, that's possible, but i think not a total world war.
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Hmm all of you seem it won't amount to anything - I on the other hand think there's a good chance of it spreading.
To those of you who know anything about world politics - I'm sure you're aware that Libya had nothing to do with democracy it was just an investment that the NTC will now return with oil deals. Western (US/EU) Economies are in decline and so they resort to making money off warfare something that they still have the advantage at doing thanks to superior technology - both the US and the UK are major exporters of weapons and any conflict automatically makes them money. In a desperate attempt to escape the burden of the financial crisis I fear that more wars will break out, as part of a coherent strategy.
1) Iran has massive oil reserves - which are underutilized thanks to the regimes negligence - Military Action could possibly pay for itself
2) Israel feels threatened by Iran and Iran will never give up its nuclear plan that much is clear
3) Both China and Russia WILL intervene if Iran is attacked it would ruin regional stability which is already at stake since the Syrian regime is starting to lose legitimacy (One of Iran's major allies).
4) Other nations will simply take sides - in what will essentially be a resource war in which nuclear weapons could be used from the outset, old conflicts like India v Pakistan - China v Japan - could be rekindled - it doesn't take much to upset peace.
5) The Palestinian Drive for statehood will be supported militarily by other nations - (the Arab world)
I hope such a scenario doesn't come to pass - but global powers are already in a resource war with each other - especially in Africa and South America. The wise thing would be simply not to attack - and I believe that is the most likely outcome (I mean the US and Israel aren't stupid) - but if they do want to take chances they'd be gambling with the lives of the world.
To those of you who know anything about world politics - I'm sure you're aware that Libya had nothing to do with democracy it was just an investment that the NTC will now return with oil deals. Western (US/EU) Economies are in decline and so they resort to making money off warfare something that they still have the advantage at doing thanks to superior technology - both the US and the UK are major exporters of weapons and any conflict automatically makes them money. In a desperate attempt to escape the burden of the financial crisis I fear that more wars will break out, as part of a coherent strategy.
1) Iran has massive oil reserves - which are underutilized thanks to the regimes negligence - Military Action could possibly pay for itself
2) Israel feels threatened by Iran and Iran will never give up its nuclear plan that much is clear
3) Both China and Russia WILL intervene if Iran is attacked it would ruin regional stability which is already at stake since the Syrian regime is starting to lose legitimacy (One of Iran's major allies).
4) Other nations will simply take sides - in what will essentially be a resource war in which nuclear weapons could be used from the outset, old conflicts like India v Pakistan - China v Japan - could be rekindled - it doesn't take much to upset peace.
5) The Palestinian Drive for statehood will be supported militarily by other nations - (the Arab world)
I hope such a scenario doesn't come to pass - but global powers are already in a resource war with each other - especially in Africa and South America. The wise thing would be simply not to attack - and I believe that is the most likely outcome (I mean the US and Israel aren't stupid) - but if they do want to take chances they'd be gambling with the lives of the world.
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WWIII is never going to happen. Or at least not in the next 30 years.
The rapid globalization of world market forces and economies into a psudeo-ish global economy and the creation of Chimerica since WWII pretty much guarantees that.
The only reason WWIII might happen in the next few decades isn't because of petty state tension between middle-eastern countries or oil, it'll be over water; when the majority of the fresh water supply in the world is depleted/polluted.
The rapid globalization of world market forces and economies into a psudeo-ish global economy and the creation of Chimerica since WWII pretty much guarantees that.
The only reason WWIII might happen in the next few decades isn't because of petty state tension between middle-eastern countries or oil, it'll be over water; when the majority of the fresh water supply in the world is depleted/polluted.
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I honestly wouldn't care if they obliterated each other. a bunch of useless idiots fighting over a bunch useless rocks and dirt.
it's not like either is vital to the rest of the world going on.
it's not like either is vital to the rest of the world going on.
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Mr.Shaggnificent wrote...
I honestly wouldn't care if they obliterated each other. a bunch of useless idiots fighting over a bunch useless rocks and dirt.it's not like either is vital to the rest of the world going on.
I honesty thought of you as a person smarter than to delve into conceited prejudices and general stupidity Mr.Shaggnificent.
I guess not.
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Anesthetize wrote...
Mr.Shaggnificent wrote...
I honestly wouldn't care if they obliterated each other. a bunch of useless idiots fighting over a bunch useless rocks and dirt.it's not like either is vital to the rest of the world going on.
I honesty thought of you as a person smarter than to delve into conceited prejudices and general stupidity Mr.Shaggnificent.
I guess not.
i'm just so sick of hearing about it. the whole thing seems so childish to me that it's hard to take it seriously anymore.
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Mr.Shaggnificent wrote...
Anesthetize wrote...
Mr.Shaggnificent wrote...
I honestly wouldn't care if they obliterated each other. a bunch of useless idiots fighting over a bunch useless rocks and dirt.it's not like either is vital to the rest of the world going on.
I honesty thought of you as a person smarter than to delve into conceited prejudices and general stupidity Mr.Shaggnificent.
I guess not.
i'm just so sick of hearing about it. the whole thing seems so childish to me that it's hard to take it seriously anymore.
I don't see how you think that justifies anything.
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"I do not know with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones."
-Albert Einstein
-Albert Einstein
Don't underestimate the gravity of a potential WW3. It wouldn't just be devastating. Think about it. All it takes is one nation to use a nuclear weapon before another nation uses one in revenge. That's all it takes to remove the moral restraints of whether to use WMD. An eye for an eye would literally make the whole world blind.
But fear not people. I don't think this is going to be enough to be a world war. It needs to draw in nations throughout the world. Its clear why the US would join. How about Venezuela, or Cuba? Why would North Korea be interested in Israel's existance? And by extension, Japan and South Korea have no interst, I would think. Africa is too caught up in its own internal problems and so is Russia to some extent. Most of Europe is on the verge of, or in the middle of, a major recession. Mustering major public support (and it must be major; this won't be a conflict, but a war of massive proportions) would be asking alot.
Israel and Iran have tensions, no doubt. Especially now that the US is withdrawing from Iraq. But I believe if a war breaks out, it would stay regional for the most part.
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Anesthetize wrote...
Mr.Shaggnificent wrote...
Anesthetize wrote...
Mr.Shaggnificent wrote...
I honestly wouldn't care if they obliterated each other. a bunch of useless idiots fighting over a bunch useless rocks and dirt.it's not like either is vital to the rest of the world going on.
I honesty thought of you as a person smarter than to delve into conceited prejudices and general stupidity Mr.Shaggnificent.
I guess not.
i'm just so sick of hearing about it. the whole thing seems so childish to me that it's hard to take it seriously anymore.
I don't see how you think that justifies anything.
As a cockroach, he will live on!
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meltme wrote...
But fear not people. I don't think this is going to be enough to be a world war. It needs to draw in nations throughout the world. Its clear why the US would join. How about Venezuela, or Cuba? Why would North Korea be interested in Israel's existance? And by extension, Japan and South Korea have no interst, I would think. Africa is too caught up in its own internal problems and so is Russia to some extent. Most of Europe is on the verge of, or in the middle of, a major recession. Mustering major public support (and it must be major; this won't be a conflict, but a war of massive proportions) would be asking alot.A tangled web of alliances would draw everybody into conflict to some degree
-Israel attacks Iran which draws aggression from other Middle Eastern states like Palestine.
-Iran retaliates against Israel and also deploys mines into the Strait of Hormuz to disrupt oil trading. This would cause severe damage to the world economy.
-Initially, the U.S supports Israel by funding, weapons or actual manpower.
-Eventually the U.S will be drawn into a 3rd war to clear the Strait of Hormuz and clear out the mines and to "stop Iran's Nukes".
-China (and possibly Russia) sells arms to Iran in exchange for oil or access to natural gas reserves. The Chinese Government uses Iran as another Vietnam to act as a proxy war between themselves and the U.S.
-The quagmire in the middle east eventually draws support for the U.S from European Union member states for fear of nuclear weapons being used.
-Due to increase western presence in the middle east China and or Russia are eventually forced to be more direct with their support eventually moving troops to aid Iran in order to protect it's oil/natural gas fields.
-This build up could possibly lead China and or Russia to invade Japan and attack the U.S military bases in Japan, specifically the Naval base. This would cripple the U.S presence in the Pacific and effectively defeating South Korea and Japan. It is also possible China would attack Taiwan to "reclaim" it.
- The U.S ships based in and around Japan would either be forced back or destroyed. This would hinder the U.S war effort in the pacific forcing south Korea, Taiwan and Japan to fend for themselves.
-The conflict in Japan could lead Korea (China's ally/puppet state) to attack South Korea due to the United States being tied up with an exponential situation in the Middle East.
That's just a scenario I came up with off the top of my head.
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Well the personal experience I have with talking with people from those countries is that both Israel and Iran are full of religion fanatics so you can kick out logic therefore it is highly likely nuclear bombs will be used but if both of them have them the likehood is somewhat lessened as I don't think even fanatics are that stupid but then I could be wrong, Israel justification for having the area is that "God have them" after all.
Regardless the current conflict on Middle-East will only end when everyone from a side dies, neither of them are willing to budge even a single centimeter or when they do they talk as if it was a miracle granted....
Regardless the current conflict on Middle-East will only end when everyone from a side dies, neither of them are willing to budge even a single centimeter or when they do they talk as if it was a miracle granted....
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Israel vs Iran could never cause WW3. Anything they do, would just be a justification to wipe Iran off the map in minutes.
That said, I'm tired of people praising Ahmadinejad (Iran's president) just because he is a 9/11 truther (And openly criticizes America.) He's in no position to be talking about human rights. Honestly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran
That said, I'm tired of people praising Ahmadinejad (Iran's president) just because he is a 9/11 truther (And openly criticizes America.) He's in no position to be talking about human rights. Honestly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran
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Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
meltme wrote...
But fear not people. I don't think this is going to be enough to be a world war. It needs to draw in nations throughout the world. Its clear why the US would join. How about Venezuela, or Cuba? Why would North Korea be interested in Israel's existance? And by extension, Japan and South Korea have no interst, I would think. Africa is too caught up in its own internal problems and so is Russia to some extent. Most of Europe is on the verge of, or in the middle of, a major recession. Mustering major public support (and it must be major; this won't be a conflict, but a war of massive proportions) would be asking alot.A tangled web of alliances would draw everybody into conflict to some degree
-Israel attacks Iran which draws aggression from other Middle Eastern states like Palestine.
-Iran retaliates against Israel and also deploys mines into the Strait of Hormuz to disrupt oil trading. This would cause severe damage to the world economy.
-Initially, the U.S supports Israel by funding, weapons or actual manpower.
-Eventually the U.S will be drawn into a 3rd war to clear the Strait of Hormuz and clear out the mines and to "stop Iran's Nukes".
-China (and possibly Russia) sells arms to Iran in exchange for oil or access to natural gas reserves. The Chinese Government uses Iran as another Vietnam to act as a proxy war between themselves and the U.S.
-The quagmire in the middle east eventually draws support for the U.S from European Union member states for fear of nuclear weapons being used.
-Due to increase western presence in the middle east China and or Russia are eventually forced to be more direct with their support eventually moving troops to aid Iran in order to protect it's oil/natural gas fields.
-This build up could possibly lead China and or Russia to invade Japan and attack the U.S military bases in Japan, specifically the Naval base. This would cripple the U.S presence in the Pacific and effectively defeating South Korea and Japan. It is also possible China would attack Taiwan to "reclaim" it.
- The U.S ships based in and around Japan would either be forced back or destroyed. This would hinder the U.S war effort in the pacific forcing south Korea, Taiwan and Japan to fend for themselves.
-The conflict in Japan could lead Korea (China's ally/puppet state) to attack South Korea due to the United States being tied up with an exponential situation in the Middle East.
That's just a scenario I came up with off the top of my head.
Sounds feasible if you disregard economics entirely lol.
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Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
meltme wrote...
But fear not people. I don't think this is going to be enough to be a world war. It needs to draw in nations throughout the world. Its clear why the US would join. How about Venezuela, or Cuba? Why would North Korea be interested in Israel's existance? And by extension, Japan and South Korea have no interst, I would think. Africa is too caught up in its own internal problems and so is Russia to some extent. Most of Europe is on the verge of, or in the middle of, a major recession. Mustering major public support (and it must be major; this won't be a conflict, but a war of massive proportions) would be asking alot.A tangled web of alliances would draw everybody into conflict to some degree
-Israel attacks Iran which draws aggression from other Middle Eastern states like Palestine.
-Iran retaliates against Israel and also deploys mines into the Strait of Hormuz to disrupt oil trading. This would cause severe damage to the world economy.
-Initially, the U.S supports Israel by funding, weapons or actual manpower.
-Eventually the U.S will be drawn into a 3rd war to clear the Strait of Hormuz and clear out the mines and to "stop Iran's Nukes".
-China (and possibly Russia) sells arms to Iran in exchange for oil or access to natural gas reserves. The Chinese Government uses Iran as another Vietnam to act as a proxy war between themselves and the U.S.
-The quagmire in the middle east eventually draws support for the U.S from European Union member states for fear of nuclear weapons being used.
-Due to increase western presence in the middle east China and or Russia are eventually forced to be more direct with their support eventually moving troops to aid Iran in order to protect it's oil/natural gas fields.
-This build up could possibly lead China and or Russia to invade Japan and attack the U.S military bases in Japan, specifically the Naval base. This would cripple the U.S presence in the Pacific and effectively defeating South Korea and Japan. It is also possible China would attack Taiwan to "reclaim" it.
- The U.S ships based in and around Japan would either be forced back or destroyed. This would hinder the U.S war effort in the pacific forcing south Korea, Taiwan and Japan to fend for themselves.
-The conflict in Japan could lead Korea (China's ally/puppet state) to attack South Korea due to the United States being tied up with an exponential situation in the Middle East.
That's just a scenario I came up with off the top of my head.
I mean world war 2 started similarly, Germany invaded poland later on you saw lots of countries getting involved who at first might not have given a shit, it's pretty easy for things to spiral out of control.
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Akaoni21 wrote...
I dont think a World War will come about anytime soon... Certainly not over trifles like Israel and Iran!Iran probably will get invaded soon because they're actually crazy enough to use Nuclear weapons and the US is VERY itchy about that kind of thing. (Basically Nuclear weapons not under control of whites is totally unacceptable)
Another reason why a 'World War' wont come about soon is that the main candidate isnt ready to come out and play yet! (Germanys still on its well earned 'vacation' from fun and games)
No it's nobody wants a nuke in the hands of religious crazy fucks and other fringe groups that need to be put in their place.
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Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
meltme wrote...
But fear not people. I don't think this is going to be enough to be a world war. It needs to draw in nations throughout the world. Its clear why the US would join. How about Venezuela, or Cuba? Why would North Korea be interested in Israel's existance? And by extension, Japan and South Korea have no interst, I would think. Africa is too caught up in its own internal problems and so is Russia to some extent. Most of Europe is on the verge of, or in the middle of, a major recession. Mustering major public support (and it must be major; this won't be a conflict, but a war of massive proportions) would be asking alot.A tangled web of alliances would draw everybody into conflict to some degree
-Israel attacks Iran which draws aggression from other Middle Eastern states like Palestine.
-Iran retaliates against Israel and also deploys mines into the Strait of Hormuz to disrupt oil trading. This would cause severe damage to the world economy.
-Initially, the U.S supports Israel by funding, weapons or actual manpower.
-Eventually the U.S will be drawn into a 3rd war to clear the Strait of Hormuz and clear out the mines and to "stop Iran's Nukes".
-China (and possibly Russia) sells arms to Iran in exchange for oil or access to natural gas reserves. The Chinese Government uses Iran as another Vietnam to act as a proxy war between themselves and the U.S.
-The quagmire in the middle east eventually draws support for the U.S from European Union member states for fear of nuclear weapons being used.
-Due to increase western presence in the middle east China and or Russia are eventually forced to be more direct with their support eventually moving troops to aid Iran in order to protect it's oil/natural gas fields.
-This build up could possibly lead China and or Russia to invade Japan and attack the U.S military bases in Japan, specifically the Naval base. This would cripple the U.S presence in the Pacific and effectively defeating South Korea and Japan. It is also possible China would attack Taiwan to "reclaim" it.
- The U.S ships based in and around Japan would either be forced back or destroyed. This would hinder the U.S war effort in the pacific forcing south Korea, Taiwan and Japan to fend for themselves.
-The conflict in Japan could lead Korea (China's ally/puppet state) to attack South Korea due to the United States being tied up with an exponential situation in the Middle East.
That's just a scenario I came up with off the top of my head.
Now, if we here are smart enough to know that if 3 powers attempt something again'st the US they will fail, they must know it even more. We still have Russia and that is all we need to fucking wipe ANYTHING off the map. \
The Russian militia has actual assassins and are not afraid to let loose with a Tsar. Now I am not worried about me getting assassinated but if they can assassinate our President or Vice President at the same time (even) then the US is in some serious shit. If they take over...literally take over, they will run this country how they run Russia and Russia is not a very fun place to live on unless you are in the country side.
No matter what angle we look at it, we are allied with these Countries, the only reason for an attack would be a takeover. The US is made out of badasses so we won't go down that easily so it is safe to assume that we will flip tables with missiles and shit. Japan won't step in, China won't step in and Canada is too pussy to lift a finger.