"Meet your Meat"

I'd like to advise any viewers on this.


I know we've had discussions about why people eat meat, and why people decide to not eat meat - but this topic isn't necessarily about that.

I'm not a vegetarian, but I came across this Youtube clip in a random person's Myspace (They happened to invite me, which I declined since I didn't know them)

Anyway, I'll be honest, I didn't finish the video, but - how credible are these types of documentaries?
Do you really think all animal farm houses are like this, or does PETA pick out the backwater privately owned places?

I'm pretty sensitive with these types of videos, as probably a lot of people. I mean I feel like crying when I go into an animal shelter, and they aren't even abused.

But what do you guys think of those types of documentaries? Should they be allowed? Do you think further action should be made?

Yes, of course they should. If they want to express themselves with documentaries, fine.

To prevent the animal abuse? Should they? I don't really know about that. The beating shit was excessive, but those that will be used as food will be killed anyway, and they're constantly suffering already. Sad, but it's what happens when you want to eat some meat.

I realize that of course this sort of thing happens, but my question really did lie within the 'how dramatized is it, if dramatized at all?'

Because if you go and google farm houses and how animals are treated - you're going to get all sorts of anti meat and animal abuse. Maybe that's just a sign of how it really is?

Maybe I'm just in denial, but I just find it hard to believe that all farm houses/breeding areas are this bad.
I mean, hell a law was just passed down to be a lot more stricter on dog breeders, causing a lot of animal breeders to lose their license since they couldn't afford the new regulations.

And that was kind of the point. To get rid of the small privately owned dog breeders who abused their animals and didn't give them appropriate living quarters.

This caused a problem for animals shelters and were desperately asking for people to adopt, because they didn't have room for all the animals.

I don't know how nationalized that was, but it didn't happen too long ago in Pennsylvania (US).

I mean, if all farm houses were like that, wouldn't it be more common for diseases to occur in our meat? We get a scare once in a great while, but not enough to count on our ten fingers.



I didn't word it very nicely, sorry. I meant if it were to dramatize their documentaries. It's kind of like pot. I don't personally do any form of illegal drugs - but when it comes down to the facts. Ads and health teachers will tell you anything to scare you to stop smoking pot. Does it make everything they say true? No. Pot is much less dangerous then smoking cigarettes imo.

Maybe it's PETAs job to say and do anything to get you to stop eating meat. I mean, look at their last campaign:

Still, the answer is yes. They're just selling us their opinion and it's our job to call them on it if we think it's bullshit. Those who aren't skeptical enough though, might unfortunately be swayed by these dramatizations and possible misinformation.

I don’t think it’s as bad as the video depicted. First where do their facts come from they are PETA (or organization like peta) so they are naturally bias towards their side. So all the facts will lead to where they want them to.

Is some of this going on of course but frankly I’m not so convinced. Half the stuff I saw didn’t seem to productive the better care an animal in the “meat house” gets the more likely it won’t be thrown away. So I don’t think they would allow a lot of the shit that goes down, they are in it for money and more birds equals more money. As for the man beating birds that was probably just an odd happenstance. Like I doubt that most workers beat chickens to death with a lead pipe like he was doing. It wouldn’t be efficient to the industry so lees money and the CEO’s don’t get more money. Or like starving the hen’s if I recall correctly were it said like a lot of them die how would that benefit the company just means they have to get more hens. I’m not an expert on how to make “meat” but most of the stuff the film says just doesn’t really play out as it would work in my mind.

Is some of it going on sure, but we eat meat the meats going to die. I don’t mean to sound harsh but their animals not humans.

As for dramatizations no need for censor smart people will look at the information realizing its not credible and from that discount it. If they want to really impact people have a third party do a study about it and then we will see.

The ad wasn't really that bad. I heard about during the SB but was like is that really that bad? I mean it's just women playing around with vegies I thought it was good for a laugh.

Most people will do anything to get their point across and most documentaries such as these, might have subtle discrepancies with real truth. People just need to learn to go out and look up these facts for themselves. The problem is, people don't care to look up facts and just believe what they're fed (or just ignore the subject altogether)... :?


By law, it's allowed, and unless the Bill of Rights is amended, no one can say otherwise. Putting laws aside, I think it's fine. If you want to be ignorant and naively believe something that isn't true without research, then so be it.

If anyone is to blame, its ourselves. Our growth on this Earth caused this to happen. To feed our nation we need to do this. If you want to stop this from happening, just commit mass suicide or some shit.

Me, I will eat my meat. I work to feed myself. People work to feed themselves. I don't know about these rich assholes at PETA, but the working side of our nation don't care how the meat is treated. As long as we can eat, sleep, work, and live, we're happy.

They dramatize, a lot. Yeah, yeah, the meat business isn't pretty, especially what happens after the thing's dead. But PETA got a point to drive home, and agenda to push, and so they do, at any cost.

To be honest, animal suffering means nothing to me, as long as it's not a pet of mine that's involved. I don't know these anonymous herds of swine/cattle/poultry, and so what do I care? I'm more concerned with the enormous amounts of drugs they pump into animals and how they process the meat than with animal rights.



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Peta is far from being clean, Out of the 2131 adoptable pets PETA receive in 2008, they killed 2124, only 7 were given.
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/pressRelease_detail.cfm/release/258

PETA is an organisation, and like any organisation they have objective, which is money, alway money. Money to save the beast? Maybe, it's what they tell us. So are all meat farm like the one in the video? Hell no, but will PETA search for the worst possible place and suggest that they are all the same? Probably.

That article made me think of South Park and their episode with Peta.

I remember seeing another documentary in which chicken eggs were hatched hundreds at a time in an incubator, then dumped onto a conveyor belt and sorted down chutes like beans. Let me see if I can find it...

Found two. This one's epic, so he goes first:



This one's more serious, although there's some weird additions by the guy who uploaded it.



I think a lot of places ARE that bad, but not all of them are. Did they ever mention what country that video took place in? Obviously PETA is gonna find the worst place they can.

However the meat gets to the table is fine with me (so long as I don't get an illness from it). As far as documentaries go, chances are if you care enough to make one then your view is going to be one-sided from the get go.

Well, I agree with Peta's mission, not their publicity stunts. No, seeing naked girls in shrink wrap in Mexico doesn't remind me of packaged meat (it reminds me of Fakku!). No I don't think their current campaign makes any sense; it's "Let's not buy Canadian maple syrup because the Canadians club seals"...um. But I am an animal rights activist, I don't believe in this mass animal production then consumption world America has turned into, and no, free range chickens are not the "most humane" way to kill and eat chickens. I also know that omnivores and the general public get pissed and/or defensive b/c I'm minding my own business and not eating animals. Me having to explain me diet (vegan) is like telling a religious person that I hate their god. I just do my own things and laugh at the people who hate on me, and the vegan freaks who think I'm not active enough because I like maple syrup from Canada.

Here's my statement.

people seem to think that its either: dont eat meat and the animals get treated better, or that we eat meat and the animals being treated badly is just a part of that.

Well, call me crazy, but isn't it conceivable that we could treat animals nicely, THEN kill them? I mean, we allow people to die with at least some degree of dignity, and we dont even have to give the animals that, we could just let em' live well, then die.

So why cant we do that?

I dunno. Maybe some people do. Or maybe we're just in denial. Who can tell?

thanks

these documentaries are usually a dose of brutal reality for most people, i think its an imperative eye opener. im sure somebodies already stated this but...

we're so desensitized to the fact that animals lives are the expense of our convenience, mostly due to the fact that the nurturing and slaughter of these fated animals is done behind closed doors. worse yet: we abuse and belittle them their entire depressing lump of a life! it makes me sad just thinking about it.

that being said i do eat meat. its in our genetics to be nurtured by the sustenance of meat and the protein it provides, and although your stating a bold statement by being a vegetarian i believe your starving your body of its natural resources.

I think they should be allowed, but we shouldn't take everything like that so seriously. I mean, today media could make even Gandhi or Mother Teresa look like mass murderer terrorists and a lot of people would actually believe it. That's the beauty of globalization.
But I agree that if someone responsible sees something like this, they should get at least more interested in the conditions of those displayed.

I'm going to just leave this here.

Wow that cattle thing was horrible o___O'

I know treatment like this must happen everywhere among a select few but in the uk they have been made to have there cattle/ pigs electrocuted before they are then worked on.

Ive seen worse though, the animals in china video is what got me and i was really young when i watched it too :(

Lol around tossing the chickens,yeah yeah all ppl do is complain about how they treat animals... but alot of ppl get treated just like the animals in prisons and in poor countries and other places, but i rarely see any1 complainin about that.