Miracle or Just Lucky?
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Some philosophy (God help me, I should remember his name) said something along the lines of:
Miracles are things/events that break the laws of nature. The laws of nature are laws because they cannot be broken. If they can be broken, then they are not laws.
EDIT: It was David Hume, and here's a bit of what he said:
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/hume-miracles.html
I'd say something better to go along with it, maybe point out some parts that are especially good, but I'm really tired right now.
Miracles are things/events that break the laws of nature. The laws of nature are laws because they cannot be broken. If they can be broken, then they are not laws.
EDIT: It was David Hume, and here's a bit of what he said:
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/hume-miracles.html
I'd say something better to go along with it, maybe point out some parts that are especially good, but I'm really tired right now.
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jmason
Curious and Wondering
I view miracles as good or fortunate events or occurences we are trying to justify or attribute to an entity (e.g. God) or a set of beliefs, either religious or non-religious. Luck, on the other hand, are events or occurences that we just get and we can't explain or don't try to justify how it came to be. It's more of how people perceive an event or occurence as.
Like for example, somebody gets lung cancer and 6 months later doctors are baffled that that somebody was cured. Some will view it as lucky since few people get cured of this. And some will call it a miracle since lung cancer doesn't disappear or go to remission in a snap and doctors can't even explain how it came to be.
Some people consider falling off 50 feet in a X-Games event and walking away from it as lucky. Some will call it a miracle. When I watch "The World's Most Amazing Videos", I sometimes see people attribute their near-death experience as luck. Some hail it as a miracle. It's more of their perceptions.
Like for example, somebody gets lung cancer and 6 months later doctors are baffled that that somebody was cured. Some will view it as lucky since few people get cured of this. And some will call it a miracle since lung cancer doesn't disappear or go to remission in a snap and doctors can't even explain how it came to be.
Some people consider falling off 50 feet in a X-Games event and walking away from it as lucky. Some will call it a miracle. When I watch "The World's Most Amazing Videos", I sometimes see people attribute their near-death experience as luck. Some hail it as a miracle. It's more of their perceptions.
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Kaien wrote...
spectre257 wrote...
There's an old quote from somewhere that goes along the lines of:Miracles don't just happen we make them happen...
I personally don't believe in miracles as there's always a logical explanation to everything although sometimes that answer can't be found now.
But i have to say there are things that can't be explained through reason and logic, not too good at examples right now because i'm tired so who ever reads this please give spectre an example for me.
Like I said there are things that cannot be explained now due to lack of understanding or limitations in technology.
But would be possible in the future when understanding and technology has evolved and we can explain the things logically and with reason.
Saying a miracle is an act of God is because people lack understanding of the unknown so put it to the credit of some invisible entity.
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A "miracle" is called a miracle due to ignorance of the underlying facts. They dont really exist in their strict definition because the laws of nature arent laws (since laws can be broken), they are facts.
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discordia wrote...
A "miracle" is called a miracle due to ignorance of the underlying facts. They dont really exist in their strict definition because the laws of nature arent laws (since laws can be broken), they are facts.I think they call the laws of physics laws because they can't seem to break them at the moment.
Hopefully in the near future we can break them :p
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If there was asuch thing as miracles, one would've happened to me by now, and my life wouldn't be where it is right now.
-goes emo-
-goes emo-
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Shinichi Miyamoto wrote...
Luck is something that can happen with a small chance.. Miracle is called miracle because it can't happen.. If it does happens, It's something that was done by God.. If you're talking with the view of atheism, then be on your own boat..
I agree.
And we can't really describe what is a miracle because it's beyond humans understanding i think. I will leave it at that.
Well...thats my personal opinion. :)
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Hmm.. ok when people can explain something that happened to them or it's a commen event most of it will be called luck
on the other hand Miracles they use this to on something that they cant explain well this goes with legends and myths
but later when you further investigate it maybe you will find answers regarding the matter that was called a "Miracle" and sometimes you dont
soo it really depend on you if you look at it as a miracle or just simply luck
(Hope that helped ~chuta!~ ^_^)
on the other hand Miracles they use this to on something that they cant explain well this goes with legends and myths
but later when you further investigate it maybe you will find answers regarding the matter that was called a "Miracle" and sometimes you dont
soo it really depend on you if you look at it as a miracle or just simply luck
(Hope that helped ~chuta!~ ^_^)
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lollercookiez wrote...
It seems to me that there are quite a few a few atheist on this forum (me being one as well). Many religions classify "miracles" as work of God or Gods. I'm interested to see what people think about this. Is there something that is truly a miracle? Or is it just based on luck that people are manage to survive/recover injuries that medicine has long described as hopeless.
Personally, I believe that miracles do exist. But they are not the work of some higher being. I believe that miracles can only come to those who have the will to continue. Those who never give up on themselves are the true miracles. Sure, I'm willing to go with luck having some part in it. But ultimately, it comes down to the person and whether he/she has the will to carry on.
Well since I grew up being a devout Catholic,I believe in Miracles. But I also respect atheist because its there or your own choice. However some Muslims here hate atheists.
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simple i just pray for GOD! and wait for a miracle to happen.
BILEAVE IN HIM AND GOD'S ANGLES WILL ALWAYS SAVE YOU
IN DANGER AND THE SORROWFUL LIFE ON LIMBO. JUST BELEAVE IN
THE HOLY AND THE UNHOLY THINGS AND IF YOU DONT BELEAVE IN THOSE.
MIRACLES WONT HAPPEN EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE PRAYING FOR HIM
TO SAVE YOU.
BILEAVE IN HIM AND GOD'S ANGLES WILL ALWAYS SAVE YOU
IN DANGER AND THE SORROWFUL LIFE ON LIMBO. JUST BELEAVE IN
THE HOLY AND THE UNHOLY THINGS AND IF YOU DONT BELEAVE IN THOSE.
MIRACLES WONT HAPPEN EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE PRAYING FOR HIM
TO SAVE YOU.
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Luck, simply put, is the occurrence of something that has a low probability of occurring. People are predisposed to emphasize the importance of anything, and everything. Its also a fact that people have had superstitions for as long as they've been able to contemplate anything. If you combine the two, its only natural that when something of relatively low probability occurs, they'll immediately look to something beyond the rational to explain it. In that sense, its easy to see where miracles come from.
Miracles and luck can be explained rationally. It may not be easy because we don't know everything right away. Understanding how miracles work is a matter of reverse engineering, in a sense. You can't get something from nothing. Luck and miracles provide us with something to examine, break down, and understand on more fundamental levels.
There's actually a perfectly natural explanation to account for those types of situations. Under stressful conditions, the fight or flight instinct is activated. I don't want to go into a big lecture about it, but the hypothalamus gets excited and sends neural signals for the adrenal glands to start producing more adrenaline and noradrenaline. This in turn excites various processes in the body, one being heart rate and circulation, which increases the circulation of oxygen to the muscles and reduces the level of lactic acid produced. I hate explaining this shit, so I'll give you this link and... whatever.
Miracles and luck can be explained rationally. It may not be easy because we don't know everything right away. Understanding how miracles work is a matter of reverse engineering, in a sense. You can't get something from nothing. Luck and miracles provide us with something to examine, break down, and understand on more fundamental levels.
lollercookiez wrote...
It's not just illness I'm talking about, it's miracles in general. Say in a fight, the underdog is completely exhausted and literally has nothing left to go with. But yet he/she still manages that finishing knockout punch. To me, that is a miracle. It was brought on by his/her own strength.There's actually a perfectly natural explanation to account for those types of situations. Under stressful conditions, the fight or flight instinct is activated. I don't want to go into a big lecture about it, but the hypothalamus gets excited and sends neural signals for the adrenal glands to start producing more adrenaline and noradrenaline. This in turn excites various processes in the body, one being heart rate and circulation, which increases the circulation of oxygen to the muscles and reduces the level of lactic acid produced. I hate explaining this shit, so I'll give you this link and... whatever.
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mangaka350 wrote...
simple i just pray for GOD! and wait for a miracle to happen.BILEAVE IN HIM AND GOD'S ANGLES WILL ALWAYS SAVE YOU
IN DANGER AND THE SORROWFUL LIFE ON LIMBO. JUST BELEAVE IN
THE HOLY AND THE UNHOLY THINGS AND IF YOU DONT BELEAVE IN THOSE.
MIRACLES WONT HAPPEN EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE PRAYING FOR HIM
TO SAVE YOU.
Lol. You silly, you have to be proactive in order for stuff to get done. You can pray to god all you want for a full tummy, but in the end, you still have to work for your food and feed yourself if you don't want to starve. :3