OBD-III
OBD III?
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What is OBD III? OBD stands for on board diagnostic and the 3 is for 3rd generation.
We are currently using OBD 2 on our vehicles and the gov wants to upgrade to OBD 3 but the problem with it is many people feel its a invasion of privacy. Why the government wants to upgrade to OBD 3 is because of the emission problems from a vehicle which lead to global warming,smog,and environmental hazards. Also the check engine light is a poor motivator to have the vehicle inspected, instead most people just wait for the annual I/M 240 to again. During that wait time the vehicle produces allot of NOx, HC , CO because of emissions related malfunction. All of that is bad for the environment.
What OBD 3 dose is that it is able to read any DTCs related to emission problems right off the vehicle's PCM without any physical connection via a satellite, radio, and/or remote stations. It can happen at random with or without the owner knowing. At that time if any emission related problems are found the DMV is notified and they quickly send a letter notify the owner about the problem and that they must have the vehicle inspected. People who fail to do so can be fined and/or even have their car shut off remotely.
This type of vehicle monitoring has raised fear in car owners that the government will be able to know about their driving habits and routes, thus they want their privacy protected. Currently GM does this with their vehicles equipped with OnStar. They can read DTCs but do not tell the owner unless it is a serious problem.
What do you think about this?
I say they should do this because it can help protect the environment for a better tomorrow.Dirty exhaust is bad for everybody and everything. People feel that their "Privacy" is being invaded because of this but guess what, the government know all about you and where you are. They can trace you from your cell phone and IP address. They also have access to most if not all of your records. So i don't see how this can bother somebody. So that will be one vote for "Yes" from me.
We are currently using OBD 2 on our vehicles and the gov wants to upgrade to OBD 3 but the problem with it is many people feel its a invasion of privacy. Why the government wants to upgrade to OBD 3 is because of the emission problems from a vehicle which lead to global warming,smog,and environmental hazards. Also the check engine light is a poor motivator to have the vehicle inspected, instead most people just wait for the annual I/M 240 to again. During that wait time the vehicle produces allot of NOx, HC , CO because of emissions related malfunction. All of that is bad for the environment.
What OBD 3 dose is that it is able to read any DTCs related to emission problems right off the vehicle's PCM without any physical connection via a satellite, radio, and/or remote stations. It can happen at random with or without the owner knowing. At that time if any emission related problems are found the DMV is notified and they quickly send a letter notify the owner about the problem and that they must have the vehicle inspected. People who fail to do so can be fined and/or even have their car shut off remotely.
This type of vehicle monitoring has raised fear in car owners that the government will be able to know about their driving habits and routes, thus they want their privacy protected. Currently GM does this with their vehicles equipped with OnStar. They can read DTCs but do not tell the owner unless it is a serious problem.
What do you think about this?
I say they should do this because it can help protect the environment for a better tomorrow.Dirty exhaust is bad for everybody and everything. People feel that their "Privacy" is being invaded because of this but guess what, the government know all about you and where you are. They can trace you from your cell phone and IP address. They also have access to most if not all of your records. So i don't see how this can bother somebody. So that will be one vote for "Yes" from me.
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If a vehicle has a problem serious enough that it actually significantly effects it's emissions, chances are the vehicle is going to crap out given a few thousand kilometers on the road anyways. There's no reason Uncle Sam and your friendly neighborhood oil mongers need to be spying on your vehicle, making you pay hidden and non-hidden fees (which will probably be taxed) and deciding whether or not you have a method of transportation because of a problem that could very well be a minor or misreported issue.
OBD won't pick up every single thing wrong with your vehicle. There are many things that are completely beyond it's capability of monitoring and controlling, such as the type of tire you use or whether or not you're using a third party chip, both of which can effect your emissions significantly.
I think it would be a good heads up for the average driver, but in reality you have to weigh whether or not you believe the government and manufacturers will use this for good or bad. A better system is to simply educate the populace but we all know how likely of happening that is.
OBD won't pick up every single thing wrong with your vehicle. There are many things that are completely beyond it's capability of monitoring and controlling, such as the type of tire you use or whether or not you're using a third party chip, both of which can effect your emissions significantly.
I think it would be a good heads up for the average driver, but in reality you have to weigh whether or not you believe the government and manufacturers will use this for good or bad. A better system is to simply educate the populace but we all know how likely of happening that is.
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In my opinion, it should be upgraded to OBD3. There shouldn't be anything wrong in receiving an extra warning that something is wrong with your car.
Like Scrhoude said, your car is probably not gonna last much longer. I would look at it as a heads up sign to either "I should invest on repairs" or "I should invest on another car" or whatever options comes to mind depending on the financial situation.
Secondly, the fear of the government monitoring your daily driving routines is ridiculous. If your not doing anything wrong, then what's to fear?
Like Scrhoude said, your car is probably not gonna last much longer. I would look at it as a heads up sign to either "I should invest on repairs" or "I should invest on another car" or whatever options comes to mind depending on the financial situation.
Secondly, the fear of the government monitoring your daily driving routines is ridiculous. If your not doing anything wrong, then what's to fear?
Scrhoude wrote...
I think it would be a good heads up for the average driver, but in reality you have to weigh whether or not you believe the government and manufacturers will use this for good or bad. A better system is to simply educate the populace but we all know how likely of happening that is.
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Two words: Unnecessary complications. If America has time to install this sort of thing on cars they have time to think of building a renewable resource consuming vehicle.
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storm102 wrote...
Two words: Unnecessary complications. If America has time to install this sort of thing on cars they have time to think of building a renewable resource consuming vehicle.It's not a quick fix that'll keep the auto and energy industry subsidised. It sounds like policy that will make the politicians look like they care but don't have to do anything meaningful.
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I like the ease of diagnosis that OBD2+ affords. Misfires easy as pie to isolate. Individual O2 sensors and cats constantly monitored. I can go on and on.
That said, OBD-III introduces alot of ooky stuff that I wish to have no part of, mainly to do with a built-in signing away of one's privacy.
But I do have the fantasy of taking a couple wrecked Priuses, slaving the electric motors into the driveline of my RX-7, and making her a hybrid. That would be sick. 280hp and 25+mpg in the city.
That said, OBD-III introduces alot of ooky stuff that I wish to have no part of, mainly to do with a built-in signing away of one's privacy.
But I do have the fantasy of taking a couple wrecked Priuses, slaving the electric motors into the driveline of my RX-7, and making her a hybrid. That would be sick. 280hp and 25+mpg in the city.
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It is a little hard for me to care. I seriously wish we never bailed out the auto industry.
And I'm not just saying that because it would have deeply affected my life because I live in Kokomo, Indiana where one of the biggest Delphi plants are located. The plant is already mostly shut down, so good riddance to the thought of what it would have done otherwise.
I'm sick of the thought that we are suppose to cater to the auto industry. Tradition is a bit to heavy in our country. Just because the auto industry helped make this country the way we currently see it, doesn't mean it is, or has to be, infallible.
This is what are tax dollars fund? Pathetic. Instead of trying to do something constructive, they seek to meander around to help make politicians looks slightly better. That said, it is partially our fault as well. Big money has to be spent short-term for a long-term change in how the auto industry operates. Apparently everyone wants their cake, and wishes to eat it as well.
And I'm not just saying that because it would have deeply affected my life because I live in Kokomo, Indiana where one of the biggest Delphi plants are located. The plant is already mostly shut down, so good riddance to the thought of what it would have done otherwise.
I'm sick of the thought that we are suppose to cater to the auto industry. Tradition is a bit to heavy in our country. Just because the auto industry helped make this country the way we currently see it, doesn't mean it is, or has to be, infallible.
This is what are tax dollars fund? Pathetic. Instead of trying to do something constructive, they seek to meander around to help make politicians looks slightly better. That said, it is partially our fault as well. Big money has to be spent short-term for a long-term change in how the auto industry operates. Apparently everyone wants their cake, and wishes to eat it as well.
