Question for those that are Christian...
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GroverCleaveland wrote...
thegreatnobody wrote...
Gism88 wrote...
Can you prove that right now? Or show me where I could find such an answer?
Let's say he DID exist, the problem isn't the teachings, rather they are much more focused that their belief in God is valid. It's about WHO is right and who is wrong, not about WHAT is right or wrong.
Well, thats a whole other topic. We have solidified that Jesus' teachings are good and all, but its a whole other problem on how people take it. Like the people who are fixated on the "Da Vinci Code", they are free to speculate, but its kinda problematic when you turn your theories into a paradigm. The Bible has historic facts, double check it, but as I have said, some could or should be read metaphorically until proven to be indeed fact.
As a Christian, I have a commission to share the word, but I don't have the authority to force it to anyone's throat, and neither does anyone else, whether christian, muslim, atheist, or whatever. In my eyes, God has given man freewill. I dunno about others, but surely you know your right to believe in what you want (free will). Take it if you like, leave it if you don't, but don't troll it.
Btw, King arthur, Robin Hood, Merlin, Gilgamesh, and other "fairy tale" and mythology characters are proven to be based from true personalities. The tales are usually, if not always, exaggerated, but they did exist one way or another. Nothing appears from nothing, and even the "limitless" imagination is fueled by reality.
*snicker* Merlin/Rapunzel/Talking Animals/All Gods are mythological characters. They have been PROVEN to be based on reality? I'd love to see where you got that information from. Also, matter can appear from nothing,(if you consider lack of time/matter to be nothing) that's one of the basic points of relativity, and the big bang theory. And many ideas can form from nothing, (eg. the idea that there were gods was made up from nowhere, and was a completely original though at one point)
The point I was trying to make was that people seem to be much more concerned about his existence than what he "taught".
If God has given us free will, then God doesn't know everything. The Bible says different.
Matter appear from nothing? I thought nothing was nothing, not something.
Is the absence of matter, matter itself? That doesn't make sense (at least to me).
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Takerial wrote...
GroverCleaveland wrote...
Takerial wrote...
GracefulDiscension. wrote...
I'm not Christian but I will say this. Religion is for those who can't stand on their own two feet and need an external force to help them get through the day. Well most religions anyway. I saw that Jesus Camp video and it just boggles my mind how these fucked up self-proclaimed prophets are so willing to brainwash CHILDREN into their fucked up fantasy. Wow people... just wow...Anyone who thinks they can stand on their own two feet without any help doesn't understand how humans work.
Saying that being religious means someone is weak willed is the same level of ignorance as someone thinking religion can replace science.
Lets not start a religious debate now, as I'm not in the mood. Can we just agree that both of you are so massively biased towards religion or non-religion that all of your posts to each other will be seen as ignorant and ultimately fail to convince anyone of anything. There, I just save everyone a bunch of time.
If you weren't in the mood for a religious debate, then why are you in a thread about religion.
Though I was never directly stating anything about religion. I was saying that making a wide sweeping comment about religion, that is a bit hypocritical, is a very ignorant statement. And it is.
Most Christians i meet today are pretty weak-willed, so forgive me if I state a fact about it and be called ignorant for it.
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thegreatnobody wrote...
Can you imagine an apple? Of course. Can you imagine a chuwakumabra? I bet you don't even have an understanding on what the hell I just spouted. And even that word I just invented is based on words I already heard. Language is also a proof you can't just invent something out of nothing because without a point of comparison, the human brain would not be able to understand.And in what part of the bible tell you to speak in rhymes? Heck, you can understand Shakespeare but you can't understand the straight-to-the-point words from the Bible? I don't think you are stupid to not understand but you are just no willing to understand it.
First of all, points of comparison do nothing to make something less original. Something is original if it is different from everything else in any one way whatsoever, it doesn't have to be 100% incomparable. Also, your invention of the word chuwakumabra, derivative though it may be from chupakabra, was original in that it was a new word, and the form I imagined for it was also original, despite being fueled by previous images of different animals. You don't seem to understand originality.
As for my rhyming comment, I wasn't saying the bible told people to speak in rhymes, I was making a ridiculous scenario to show you the fallacious nature of your assumption that because the Bible has historical facts it is somehow more valid as a source of moral teaching, which is laughable.
Also, I just noticed your statement "Every culture has a God or can at least testify to a higher being. Come up with whatever, may it be aliens, intergalactic warlords or whatnot." Which, aside from being completely factually incorrect, would be totally irrelevant to the truth of the beliefs, so please stop including useless misinformation in your posts.
PS: Straight-to-the-point? Yeah, I'm sure that's why there's so many differing interpretations of the teachings in it, and so many variant forms of christianity. I was once offered $300 by my father to read the bible cover to cover, and I honestly got to about page 120 before I became unhealthily disappointed in humanity for believing the swill it contained. It was so contradictory and wrapped up in its own falsehood, that I could not even continue to read it.