Should AI have Rights?

02375ecb317bf3b85290f1967 · 2011-01-10T04:51:32-01:00

I have something very interesting and important to discuss here: Lets say that one day we as a human species manage to reproduce life almost exactly identical to the human race (whether it be robots,clone, machines ect.) Do you think they should be treated like one of us? do you think that (lets say that in this hypothesis the AI would have feeling and desires ect) they should be controlled? Enslaved? Forced to work against there will? Were do we draw the line between a human being and a toaster? Now here are some things to consider before making your choice: -The inventors of this AI, if they are not allowed to "sell" there product, how are they to produce an income? If you spent years of work to create a living breathing robot, would you just let it go? Would you hide it? Would you use it only for yourself? Would you exploit it? -Would you be okay seeing a clone that looked like you or someone you know being tortured or beaten for miss conduct? -If you so called "Bought" a clone, or made a clone of yourself, would you feel superior to it? would you treat it differently? Like an animal? Worse? -Do you think that we should even ever produce robots or clones that could feel emotion? is it necessary? (Don't get me wrong here but there's a reason that sex feels better with a person then with something that does not sound or feel like a person) Leading on... - Do you think that it would be okay to produce clones or robots for intercourse? do you think it would be fine to modify a cloned human to preform better in bed? - Would you feel like a bad human being if you owned one? Do you think you should have the option of letting it go free? Would you feel comfortable living in a world were you might befriend AI? Meet an AI that is at the same social status as you? A more powerful social status then you? Would you feel comfortable in a world were AI get all the good jobs/money/homes because of all there superior features? What would that mean for us human's? Ghetto's? Starvation? Disease? Discrimination? -Do you think that there would be any motivation (as shown in so many movies nowadays) for enslaved robots to rebel? Do you think that a "Terminator" scenario could ever occur if we gave AI emotion and feeling? - A possible option would be to remove the forms of emotion that are not necessary for the robot or clone (Like desire or pain) but do you not think that removing key sensory devises and feelings that have kept us humans alive so long would be a form of dark torture for these clone and robots? What I mean by this is that would you not find it incredibly disturbing to watch a clone laughing while its head is being sawed off? Seems like a twisted form of torture to me (Sorry to gross people out, that's the best metaphor I could think of) To me, Removing forms of emotion is torture, but of course your opinion is also valued So basically the question here is, if we intelligent humans began to sell creations that were built almost exactly like humans, should they be able to walk among us? Over us? Under us? What in your opinion is the right way to look at this My Opinion: To be honest I am going to have to side with being the bad guy here, I feel that if we ever create clone or robots there only objective should be to serve us, I feel that anything that we humans create, we create to advance are selves in are daily lives. I would go on a mad rampage if for example my job was taken by a more intelligent robot, I'm sure most would. But on the other hand, would I like to buy a hot chick build for sex without having to break the law? sure as hell. Would I like to buy a dude who will paint my house every weekend? dam right I would. This is just my evil opinion I guess, But I am more interested in what you guys have to say about this, because lets face it: The day will come when this issue will become a reality for all of us, I have no doubt of it.

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Should AI have Rights?

They should have the exact same rights as any other human being

They should have limited rights based on the objective of there production

There only right should be to serve humanity

We should never program clones or robots with emotions

We should never be creating life, unless through intercourse

I have an opinion that is not listed here. I will post below explaining

Total Votes : 49

ZLD

14 years ago

Girlfountain wrote...

ZLD wrote...

Even if we created an AI that as close to human as possible, it is still not human. However that does not mean they are any lesser thatn us. But it also mean we should not treat them the same way as other human. Every being has their own way, treating everything exactly the same can also be harmful. What we should do if we ever created AI like so is the way nature intended, we shall teach them about the world, we should not treated them cruelly or exploit them. They will be allow to learn and make their own path. And this is a religious argument for those who close to their faith, human was created and given a chance to learn and develope our own path, we must give the life we created the same choice.

Still, most computers nowadays are smarter then humans, what will the computer in the future be able to program inside of AI? Humans will not be nearly as intelligent or strong (As I doubt any company will want to produce a weak robot) discrimination is inevitable as I said on my last post

But one again, this question is hard to comprehend as there are so many factors that might change things, don't know if you guys have seen that one movie (forget the name) were its focused around gene discrimination and this guy just because he was not born correctly was doomed to poverty (btw super interesting movie, if someone could find the title I would appreciate it)

Computer is not smarter than human. It can store a lot of data which mean it can accesss more information, but human is the one that can make connection.

We can connect event and information together to made new thing, it is something that computer lacking today. Think about how every invention come to be. It is not sure we can make Ai intelligence enough to do the same thing.

Also I believe in a thing call the human factor. That is Humann can accomplish the improbable. We have thing like hunches, or intuition, or instincs that seem to work in the most unlikely time. Like a person somehow sense danger ahead of time. Even though the probability of that is really low but that person was correct.

FoolNumber88

14 years ago

AI is a difficult thing to discuss, because at this very point of time, true AI hasn't been created yet.

A program that recognizes itself as a being, can think rather than just abide by coding, is incredibly hard.
You would have to write the initial coding so that the AI could change that very coding it started off with.
You would have to code it so that it could constantly expand and rewrite all its data, you would have to code it so it could learn and even theorize.

In fact, the best way to decide if AI should have rights is to decide whether or not a true AI could feel emotion.
And lets face it, emotion is what separates conscious life from unconscious life. (IE. Animals from Plants)

Flaser OCD Hentai Collector

14 years ago

Space Cowboy wrote...

I'm cool with these simple rules:

1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

2. A robot must obey any orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

Otherwise, fair game, they should be treated as sentient beings who have no limitations other than as stated by the laws. These were probably already brought up, and as with any system, there are flaws. They can just be worked out as needed down the line.

Edit: I realize these are specifically set for 'robots', but they can be tailored for what ever manifestation AI comes about in.

Ah! Asimov's laws of robotics.
However there's are two traps in them though:
-If the robots/AI are incapable of determining what a human is they might still hurt us... or they could decide they're humans themselves! Actually the later would be the best outcome, because then they'd act like the perfect citizens.
-Why? Because otherwise you'd have a ready and willing slave class at your disposal. They'd be happy to serve us in each and every way. Sounds like fun? Not until you realize the robots would actively dissuade humans from taking *any* risk, they'd also perpetuate the moral and psychological distortion in humans that slavery produces in the slaver. Sloth, dogmatism, superiority complexes... there's a reason the Spacers are extinct in the larger Asimoverse.

Read the Caliban trilogy for details. Roger McBridge Allan (with Asimov's consent and co-production while he was alive) did a really good job exploring this problem.

His idea of 4 law robots are good, since they're built to be companions to humans instead slaves:

1. No robot may harm a human being.
2. All robots shall cooperate with human beings as long as that doesn't conflict with the New First Law.
3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as that doesn't conflict with the New First Law.
4. A robot may do anything it likes, as long as that doesn't conflict with any of the first three New Laws.

The inaction part was removed, so humans can once again take risks without the robots intervening and pampering them to death in gilded cages of featherweight existence. The robot no longer has to obey the whims of humans, only co-operate so he's no longer a disposable slave. Furthermore it can't be ordered to destroy itself... though this law may lead to problems in the long run, for how would such a robot be capable of self-sacrifice. How could it choose destruction? The last law is there to ensure that robots would evolve.

...in the end I believe the laws of robotics are - and should be - stop-gap measures until we have mature AI with moral capabilities on par of humans.

The perfect AI/robot will behave morally not because some rigid internal programming compels it so, but because it *choose* to, as it *felt* it right.

02375ecb317bf3b85290f1967

14 years ago

ZLD wrote...

Girlfountain wrote...

ZLD wrote...

The day will come when computers will be able to make connections, thats the whole point of this thread. Of course if your talking about 21st century computers of course there will be no human like features ect. but do you not think one day the electronic mind will be put into manufacture?

Chocobophobia

14 years ago

Reminds me of Chobits. However, emotions are what makes humans unique. We can't possibly have a sexual relationship with AI and emotions are going to promote those things. We humans are made to fall in love with each other and reproduce. AI with emotions are going to throw it off balance.

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