"Space Rock"...
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g-money wrote...
@Rbz: No, we have never been hit with an asteroid/comet 3 times the size of Texas.Except for that one the size of mars which created the moon. But that was way before life ever existed, and we would at least notice if mars decided to attack.
Htarreva wrote...
But I've heard that some planets (including Earth) have some kind of gravitational field or something that repels meteors or objects that directly heads to the planetGravity works one way, it only attracts objects together and never repels. We avoid most astronomical impacts because of our rather large moon with its very close orbit. The moon acts as a magnet, clearing up any debris that may come into contact with the Earth, thus allowing life to flourish here.
Now if your talking about orbit clearing that is a different subject all together. Planets clear their orbits by creating a sort of gravitational wake. As the earth passes through it's orbit, if another much smaller object is trying to share a similar orbital plane the earth would pull on it as it passes. This destabilizes the smaller objects trajectory, thus causing it to change orbits further away from earths.
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rubhereforluck wrote...
g-money wrote...
@Rbz: No, we have never been hit with an asteroid/comet 3 times the size of Texas.Except for that one the size of mars which created the moon. But that was way before life ever existed, and we would at least notice if mars decided to attack.
I thought that was unsubstantiated. I've heard a couple of theories on why the moon was created, but knowing that an asteroid the size Mars colliding with Earth and not destroying it does not compute. I have heard of an asteroid roughly the size of the moon itself collided with Earth at a very low speed, which then forced the asteroid back, taking along with it the debris and broken pieces of Earth and some of the mantle, which then gave the moon it's present size. This however, is a theory and I don't believe it has been proven through empirical evidence.
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KG989 wrote...
Tactical Orbital Laser Defense System anyone?We should just call it Tactical Orbital Laser Defence, so when the project gets turned down, and a comet is about to hit the planet, we can tell them... "TOLD you so!" (All that work just for a pun?)
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g-money wrote...
rubhereforluck wrote...
g-money wrote...
@Rbz: No, we have never been hit with an asteroid/comet 3 times the size of Texas.Except for that one the size of mars which created the moon. But that was way before life ever existed, and we would at least notice if mars decided to attack.
I thought that was unsubstantiated. I've heard a couple of theories on why the moon was created, but knowing that an asteroid the size Mars colliding with Earth and not destroying it does not compute. I have heard of an asteroid roughly the size of the moon itself collided with Earth at a very low speed, which then forced the asteroid back, taking along with it the debris and broken pieces of Earth and some of the mantle, which then gave the moon it's present size. This however, is a theory and I don't believe it has been proven through empirical evidence.
Right now it is the most accepted theory as the moon is made of the same elements in the same percentages as the earth. Though it is possible that they just randomly formed that way and the earth "caught" the moon later on, it is unlikely. It is also impossible for the earth and moon to have formed at the same time in the same location, earths growing gravity would have just collapsed the weaker moon sucked it in. Though, yes it has yet to be actually proven it is the most likely of cases.
Edit: Never heard the asteroid theory, but it is most likely bunk. The earth doesn't bounce things off of it like that, it just doesn't work that way.
I also forgot to explain that the mars object theory is based on the fact that when two very large objects creating such large gravitational forces collide, they tend to meld together more than they shatter. So in the end the outer layers of both worlds would have been incinerated and ejected into space, leaving a new molten plane on the surface along with a very large amount of debris in orbit. This would at first orbit the planet in a ring but due to the mass the ring would have it wouldn't be long before it turned into a natural satellite.
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g-money wrote...
@Rbz: No, we have never been hit with an asteroid/comet 3 times the size of Texas.Meh, I forgot the texas part when I responded, and I was thinking of that one rock that supposedly fucked the dinosaurs over. Did that even happen? I don't know, I just took the shit I heard at face value when I was young and never bothered to research it.
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You're saying that Earth sucked up the mass of Mars into its present size today? I find that hard to believe. Also, any collision of similar massed objects do not "meld" together. It's like taking two cue balls and hitting them together - they don't meld right? And I'm assuming made of similar densities, just a different force. Second, even if a Mars-like object smacked into Earth, where would the Mars-like object go? The mass alone rules out the moon.
@Rbz: supposedly the chicxulub example I provided earlier was the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs, which had a diameter of 6 miles/10 kilometers. If that heralded a new age, imagine something the size of Texas hitting Earth - I can even imagine the atmosphere being blown out.
@Rbz: supposedly the chicxulub example I provided earlier was the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs, which had a diameter of 6 miles/10 kilometers. If that heralded a new age, imagine something the size of Texas hitting Earth - I can even imagine the atmosphere being blown out.
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Think a meteor 3X the size of Texas might hit us or be in a collision course with earth some day...?
wow I'm so glad that it missed.(I will thank God now, but please not hate me for that)
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g-money wrote...
You're saying that Earth sucked up the mass of Mars into its present size today? I find that hard to believe. Also, any collision of similar massed objects do not "meld" together. It's like taking two cue balls and hitting them together - they don't meld right? And I'm assuming made of similar densities, just a different force. Second, even if a Mars-like object smacked into Earth, where would the Mars-like object go? The mass alone rules out the moon.Spoiler:
So to answer your questions: 1. Yes, this theory uses different forces like gravity to explain the fusing of the two worlds. It also uses the mass not volume of mars to explain what happened. We don't know how large or dense this planet was but it is largely assumed it was much smaller than early earth. 2. Most of the mass remained with the earth. The remainder of it's mass and that of the earths makes up the moon of today.
Basically, we needed to explain why the moon is so much like the earth when every other planet with natural moons have a composition that varies greatly from moon to moon. You cannot use the leftover theory because then the moon would have different ratios of the same elements. But it does not so science had to devise a way for such a case to logically exist. And in order to logically force 10% of the earths current mass into permanent orbit it required the force of such a collision. To me the other theories on how the moon formed are far less logical than this one.
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Even if one could hit the earth Nukes can go into space. Admittedly it's not that out into space far but as propulsion technology advances we'll probably be able to take out an asteroid within the next 15-20 years. Or send up a shuttle or rocket carry a nuke or nukes to do it.
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LowercaseT wrote...
KG989 wrote...
Tactical Orbital Laser Defense System anyone?We should just call it Tactical Orbital Laser Defence, so when the project gets turned down, and a comet is about to hit the planet, we can tell them... "TOLD you so!" (All that work just for a pun?)
haha or "Now if you would have just TOLD us we'd be safe now!"
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rubhereforluck wrote...
Spoiler:
I find it hard to believe that gravity has more than enough force to fuse two planetary objects together, but I digress. This theory of yours is based on the assumption that the MarsII planetoid is nowhere moving as fast as other asteroids/meteors. At that speed, no gravity or mass would be able to withstand the momemtum of the oncoming planetary mass. If the theory satisfies the assumption about the slow velocity of the MarsII, then this theory would make sense. Gravity can only do so much.
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Hmmm, this thread makes me think of what the coordinators did with the wreckage of Junius Seven.
On a more serious note, I think we do have enough missiles/explosives/nukes to break any large meteorites on collision course with Earth into pieces small enough not to wreck the planet and life as we know them.
On a more serious note, I think we do have enough missiles/explosives/nukes to break any large meteorites on collision course with Earth into pieces small enough not to wreck the planet and life as we know them.
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Transport wrote...
Hmmm, this thread makes me think of what the coordinators did with the wreckage of Junius Seven.On a more serious note, I think we do have enough missiles/explosives/nukes to break any large meteorites on collision course with Earth into pieces small enough not to wreck the planet and life as we know them.
I disagree. I think the movie Armageddon realistically explains why explosives of any sort would not work on a collision-type level. (The rest of the movie is scientifically garbage.) One, the vacuum of space would suck out much of the energy released by explosives, making the explosive potential of such explosives a lot less than you would think. Also, Armageddon also mentions something about an asteroid's composition. They are not made of limetsone or granite or anything of that sort. They're probably made up of many ionic elements and tough metals in different alloy combinations, so in reality, a nuke would not do nearly enough damage to destroy it or break it up into smaller pieces.
A more realistic method for the technology we have is to calculate the force required to alter the asteroid's course (taking into consideration the effect of Earth's gravitational force/wake) enough, and launch enough explosive power at a certain point on the asteroid to phyiscally move it. This can probably be achieved through one massive explosion, or a succession of many minor explosions like that of a machine gun to slowly but surely alter the force.
Then again, I highly doubt our current technology has anywhere near the explosive power to initiate the first alternative, which makes the second alternative more viable, but even less certain. (The main problem is that each nuke individually has little power in space.)