The world as we know it is changing.
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A few days ago, Japan's Digital Comic Association announced a historic move by the Manga industry. The short version is: the Publishers will no longer sit idly by and watch the scanlation/fansubbing community spread their work. They have identified multiple different sources of copyrighted material and have/are proceeding to warn/close them.
This is already taking effect, the website owners of MangaHelpers(all raws and scanlations will be removed as of July 1st) has already shut themselves down. The publishers of Japan as well as America and elsewhere are forming a coalition of sorts to stomp out all forms of "piracy" on their content. Multiple different blogs and scanlation site's are already pending to lcose as per the request(read:Threat) of publisher's.
Along with the changing internet and copyright laws of multiple contries already going through respective forms of congress and legislation. Many countries already follow a "3 strikes your out" rule. With respective levels of punsihement ending with complete removal of your internet connection capabilites and being taken to court.
The creators of MangaHelpers along with a few others are creating a site theyve called OpenManga. Visit it to find out more. Alongside CrunchyRoll, these two just might become the only places stateside to "legally" feed your love of anime/manga/light novels/Visual Novels. Please proceed to discuss these recent events.
(Edit):UPDATE- Yukimura, An admin of manga traders has reported the following-
"The site is offline due to hardware issues on the web server. As far as we can tell this issue is unrelated to the problems we've been dealing with on the file servers for the last month or so. We are working on getting the site back up but real life concerns will likely slow the process down."
This is already taking effect, the website owners of MangaHelpers(all raws and scanlations will be removed as of July 1st) has already shut themselves down. The publishers of Japan as well as America and elsewhere are forming a coalition of sorts to stomp out all forms of "piracy" on their content. Multiple different blogs and scanlation site's are already pending to lcose as per the request(read:Threat) of publisher's.
Along with the changing internet and copyright laws of multiple contries already going through respective forms of congress and legislation. Many countries already follow a "3 strikes your out" rule. With respective levels of punsihement ending with complete removal of your internet connection capabilites and being taken to court.
The creators of MangaHelpers along with a few others are creating a site theyve called OpenManga. Visit it to find out more. Alongside CrunchyRoll, these two just might become the only places stateside to "legally" feed your love of anime/manga/light novels/Visual Novels. Please proceed to discuss these recent events.
(Edit):UPDATE- Yukimura, An admin of manga traders has reported the following-
"The site is offline due to hardware issues on the web server. As far as we can tell this issue is unrelated to the problems we've been dealing with on the file servers for the last month or so. We are working on getting the site back up but real life concerns will likely slow the process down."
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There have been many more cases then just this, HTML comics was closed down back in April by an FBI taskforce. There is a very, very good blog about this that does not follow the predescript "scanlating is wrong and you should be punished BS."
Instead it actually toutes the reasons of everything, and what can be done about it. The post is here
Instead it actually toutes the reasons of everything, and what can be done about it. The post is here
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gizgal wrote...
I already made a post about this over in random, if you want more info. :)Serious Discussion for serious answers. Random for people wanting to have their thread seen.
On Topic: I don't think this will effect fansubbing, seeing as they already go through great lengths to protect the people uploading the raws for each group. Honestly, we can just go back to IRC if it becomes too much of a problem.
If people would stop reading their manga online instead of through downloaded zip files, this wouldn't even be a problem. But no, instead groups have to plaster their work all over the internet for their undeserved fame. It isn't that hard to use XDCC, and if we had continued using IRC as our main source for Anime/Doujinshi/Manga, none of this would even be happening right now. In the end, someone will always translate and release Anime/Doujinshi/Manga. It may not be available to everyone right away but it will eventually be leaked, such is the way of the internet.
This is along the same lines of the loli ban. It didn't do anything, at all. You can still type loli into a popular search engine and have Gelbooru show up as one of the top hits.
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Room101
Waifu Collector
Well, this had to happen sooner or later.
Manga is increasingly popular and available in the western world, meaning that the publishing companies will be increasing their efforts to stop this sort of activities.
To be honest, plastering all of those zips was bound to attract some "unfavorable attention".
But will it dramatically change translating/scanslating/ect world?
I think yes and no. I don't think it'll be possible to stamp out all activities of this sort, seeing as to how vast internet is, and how easy is to move content inside of it. But we'll probably be seeing less of sites like MangaHelpers or OneManga, and most translation groups will "go underground" or at lest try to limit the spotlight they get (at least, if they will want to keep the project going)
That said, I don't have anything against most manga's being available on-line to read, but not to download. That's how I was viewing the few manga I ever read, and never had any problems with it.
Manga is increasingly popular and available in the western world, meaning that the publishing companies will be increasing their efforts to stop this sort of activities.
To be honest, plastering all of those zips was bound to attract some "unfavorable attention".
But will it dramatically change translating/scanslating/ect world?
I think yes and no. I don't think it'll be possible to stamp out all activities of this sort, seeing as to how vast internet is, and how easy is to move content inside of it. But we'll probably be seeing less of sites like MangaHelpers or OneManga, and most translation groups will "go underground" or at lest try to limit the spotlight they get (at least, if they will want to keep the project going)
That said, I don't have anything against most manga's being available on-line to read, but not to download. That's how I was viewing the few manga I ever read, and never had any problems with it.
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Screw this, we need to form an international army of people willing to violate this and fight against it!
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Rob920 wrote...
Screw this, we need to form an international army of people willing to violate this and fight against it!You say that but how many people do you think are going to be willing to risk going to prison over this?
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Gothic wrote...
Rob920 wrote...
Screw this, we need to form an international army of people willing to violate this and fight against it!You say that but how many people do you think are going to be willing to risk going to prison over this?
P.S. Fuck the companys/people trying to stop the free flow of information in all its forms.
Yeah! Fuck the people who spent time and effort into making a publication and even THINKING of trying to stop people getting it for absolutely free! Fuck them to hell for wanting to be able to afford food and nice things at their houses. Fuck them for even intending to charge for a publication. We deserve to have it absolutely free, because they went through all the hard work to try and make a living.
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Kaimax
Best Master-San
I won't condemn them IF I can get all the stuffs from the internet LEGALLY without importing.
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link1438 wrote...
Yeah! Fuck the people who spent time and effort into making a publication and even THINKING of trying to stop people getting it for absolutely free! Fuck them to hell for wanting to be able to afford food and nice things at their houses. Fuck them for even intending to charge for a publication. We deserve to have it absolutely free, because they went through all the hard work to try and make a living.
Seconding this. Though I do think it's a shame there aren't more secure, digital methods of selling their work online. I mean sure they could offer galleries online for fees, but anyone could just screenshot those.
There needs to be some way for them to profit on their work.
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Rob920 wrote...
Yeah! Fuck the people who spent time and effort into making a publication and even THINKING of trying to stop people getting it for absolutely free! Fuck them to hell for wanting to be able to afford food and nice things at their houses. Fuck them for even intending to charge for a publication. We deserve to have it absolutely free, because they went through all the hard work to try and make a living.
I edited my post just for you. Anyway I hear you people need to make money for there hard work. But I don't think there is anything they can really do. People are going to countinue to download this stuff for free.
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You'll see... all the community whos wants free manga will come together and rise to make another warring state on the net.
Though i yearn for free manga, I still buy the manga tankabon, but because it takes about two or three month before it is release, go to the free online manga that is fast which is either weekly for manga in the Shonen Jump.
Why are they doing, what the is going to happen next..... arggghhhh i don't to think about it. This sucks!
Stupid publisher, they are damn wrong about this. Something revolution will happen and make them suffer. Fuck them up...
Though i yearn for free manga, I still buy the manga tankabon, but because it takes about two or three month before it is release, go to the free online manga that is fast which is either weekly for manga in the Shonen Jump.
Why are they doing, what the is going to happen next..... arggghhhh i don't to think about it. This sucks!
Stupid publisher, they are damn wrong about this. Something revolution will happen and make them suffer. Fuck them up...
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I expect this will probably make things worse before it makes things better.
There'll be a huge backlash, both inside and outside Japan. Less merchandise will be sold, and that's a big, big hit.
Also, if scanlation becomes a non-option, there will be far, far fewer manga series that see the light of day outside Japan. Just about anything not published in Jump will be at risk - and Jump only gets a by because of its monolithic corporate marketing ability.
There'll be a huge backlash, both inside and outside Japan. Less merchandise will be sold, and that's a big, big hit.
Also, if scanlation becomes a non-option, there will be far, far fewer manga series that see the light of day outside Japan. Just about anything not published in Jump will be at risk - and Jump only gets a by because of its monolithic corporate marketing ability.
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I don't think it'll "change" the whole stuff. Like crack, there's always a way..
And I think it is like a bubble. The scanlating world just gets too big, it burst. It'll go to "recession" and something will change(Change!!), and it'll settle by itself. Thinking about it rationally, change will always happen, and it might not be good for some, but there bound to be.
If, God forbids, the scanlating world brought down and no piracy, there are people bound to be hurt. Japan will one day have to shed their xenophobic ways if they want to compete with China..
And I think it is like a bubble. The scanlating world just gets too big, it burst. It'll go to "recession" and something will change(Change!!), and it'll settle by itself. Thinking about it rationally, change will always happen, and it might not be good for some, but there bound to be.
If, God forbids, the scanlating world brought down and no piracy, there are people bound to be hurt. Japan will one day have to shed their xenophobic ways if they want to compete with China..
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shinji_ikari
Mustn't Run Away...
I have to say I'm a bit disgusted by some of the responses I've seen on here in relation to this..WTF gives you the right to get MAD that people don't want you taking their hard work for free. I felt exactly the same way about music and now it's happening to anime/manga. If something is TOTALLY unavailable then I can understand ,but majority of the stuff people want to get for free is stuff they CAN get in their respective countries or through a very affordable import site. Point of the matter is that your being a thief ,and your willingness to help people continue to steal is horrifying ,perhaps you just need a group a guys coming in taking all your work and giving it away ?