US Foreign Policy from 1945-
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Since the other Imperialism thread has been locked for two days and I'm extremely impatient, I figured I'd start a topic myself.
So, my question concerns US foreign policy from the end of World War II to the present. At what point does the Cold War and "containment" justify the US actions and at what point does it become a form of US imperialism? In addition, what would you say is the US from 1945 on, imperialistic or non imperialistic? Why do you believe it is imperialistic/non imperialistic, and how do you think this effects us in the present? Is the modern US everybit as imperialistic? I suppose the so called "War on Terror" would also be part of this discussion.
Here's a basic overview of US foreign intervention since 1945, which is hinted with my position concerning the imperialistic nature of the US, to make it easier for you guys to decide.
Note: I know it starts getting less comprehensive around the first Bush's time, but the interventions there were mostly pretty minor.
So, my question concerns US foreign policy from the end of World War II to the present. At what point does the Cold War and "containment" justify the US actions and at what point does it become a form of US imperialism? In addition, what would you say is the US from 1945 on, imperialistic or non imperialistic? Why do you believe it is imperialistic/non imperialistic, and how do you think this effects us in the present? Is the modern US everybit as imperialistic? I suppose the so called "War on Terror" would also be part of this discussion.
Here's a basic overview of US foreign intervention since 1945, which is hinted with my position concerning the imperialistic nature of the US, to make it easier for you guys to decide.
Spoiler:
Note: I know it starts getting less comprehensive around the first Bush's time, but the interventions there were mostly pretty minor.
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I didn't want to read that huge wall of text hidden in the spoiler, but here is what I think:
Even before the US entered WWII, during WWI, we became an imperialistic country. The Cold War was the justification for our imperialistic "expansion". It was the in the form of, as you said, "containment" of Communism. Because our country was founded on wealth, and our country is pretty much ran by the wealthy, Communism is the extreme polar opposite of Capitalism. Communism believes in the sharing of the wealth, while Capitalism believes in the fact that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. In my opinion, Both forms of government will eventually hit a spot along the road where their systems just fail and there is a need for a new form of government.
Now, how this effects us today. It effects everything today. We have stuck our hands into so much stuff as a country, there isn't a spot on the globe where America has not had influence or jurisdiction. And as such, this has lead to various nations, or groups, around the globe to actually start "hating" us. This is what sparked the War on Terror. The CIA set up Osama Bin Laden as a front to draw the Soviet Union into bankruptcy and eventually destroy the Communistic Russia. We then went into Saudi Arabia for oil, Osama's home country. He didn't like that, and then he turned against us.
I think America just needs to step back for awhile. Let the other countries deal with themselves, and we just deal with our own selves. I mean, heck. We are sitting on an almost lame duck president, because of the way our government is going. I'm in favor of Washingtonian Foreign Policy, where America just worries about ourselves and no one else. Even Washington knew this was going to happen if America got caught into foreign affairs. That's why he wanted us to stay out of them.
I could talk on and on on the subject, as you know Manga, but I won't. Bed is calling me.
Even before the US entered WWII, during WWI, we became an imperialistic country. The Cold War was the justification for our imperialistic "expansion". It was the in the form of, as you said, "containment" of Communism. Because our country was founded on wealth, and our country is pretty much ran by the wealthy, Communism is the extreme polar opposite of Capitalism. Communism believes in the sharing of the wealth, while Capitalism believes in the fact that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. In my opinion, Both forms of government will eventually hit a spot along the road where their systems just fail and there is a need for a new form of government.
Now, how this effects us today. It effects everything today. We have stuck our hands into so much stuff as a country, there isn't a spot on the globe where America has not had influence or jurisdiction. And as such, this has lead to various nations, or groups, around the globe to actually start "hating" us. This is what sparked the War on Terror. The CIA set up Osama Bin Laden as a front to draw the Soviet Union into bankruptcy and eventually destroy the Communistic Russia. We then went into Saudi Arabia for oil, Osama's home country. He didn't like that, and then he turned against us.
I think America just needs to step back for awhile. Let the other countries deal with themselves, and we just deal with our own selves. I mean, heck. We are sitting on an almost lame duck president, because of the way our government is going. I'm in favor of Washingtonian Foreign Policy, where America just worries about ourselves and no one else. Even Washington knew this was going to happen if America got caught into foreign affairs. That's why he wanted us to stay out of them.
I could talk on and on on the subject, as you know Manga, but I won't. Bed is calling me.
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Well, capitalism is sort of a hands off approach that is more of a let the people handle it and let the people deal with it
I can see why you would say America was imperialistic before
What with the growth from the east coast to the present America, AMerica was embroiled in a lot of wars.
The bullshit Mexican-American, the even more ridiculous Spanish-American.
War of 1812, etc, etc
However I disagree with the hatred of America.
Honestly, there was a lot of support for us following 9/11, even in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc, renowned for disliking us.
It was the War on Terror that got the anti-war riots toiling.
As to the groups, such as Al-Qaeda, its a terrorist group, focused perhaps on the US, but not only limited to.
Their connections to the bombings in Spain and the Philippines, for example, hint at a wider range than one would think.
I disagree with the Isolation Washingtonian policy
The interventions in WWI and WWII were the only reasons the Germans/Axis powers lost, that much is clear. If America hadn't been involved in World War I, France would have been taken in the second battle of Marne, and Europe would have fallen under an idiotic Kaiser, but brilliant German generals. In World War II, this is even more exaggerated. America simultaneously handled both the Pacific front and the Eastern Theater, and people like George S. (Old Blood and Guts) Patton were the only viable counterproducts to the brilliant German generals such as Erwin E.J. (Wustenfuchts) Rommel, or Heinz "Schnelle Heinz" Guderian.It was only through America's mass productions of DD (Duplex Drive) Tanks, Sherman tanks, weapons, ammunition, bullets, aircraft, and manpower, that led to the German defeat. I think we can all agree that Hitler and his aryan ideals were not exactly the best thing for the world.
I can see why you would say America was imperialistic before
What with the growth from the east coast to the present America, AMerica was embroiled in a lot of wars.
The bullshit Mexican-American, the even more ridiculous Spanish-American.
War of 1812, etc, etc
However I disagree with the hatred of America.
Honestly, there was a lot of support for us following 9/11, even in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc, renowned for disliking us.
It was the War on Terror that got the anti-war riots toiling.
As to the groups, such as Al-Qaeda, its a terrorist group, focused perhaps on the US, but not only limited to.
Their connections to the bombings in Spain and the Philippines, for example, hint at a wider range than one would think.
I disagree with the Isolation Washingtonian policy
The interventions in WWI and WWII were the only reasons the Germans/Axis powers lost, that much is clear. If America hadn't been involved in World War I, France would have been taken in the second battle of Marne, and Europe would have fallen under an idiotic Kaiser, but brilliant German generals. In World War II, this is even more exaggerated. America simultaneously handled both the Pacific front and the Eastern Theater, and people like George S. (Old Blood and Guts) Patton were the only viable counterproducts to the brilliant German generals such as Erwin E.J. (Wustenfuchts) Rommel, or Heinz "Schnelle Heinz" Guderian.It was only through America's mass productions of DD (Duplex Drive) Tanks, Sherman tanks, weapons, ammunition, bullets, aircraft, and manpower, that led to the German defeat. I think we can all agree that Hitler and his aryan ideals were not exactly the best thing for the world.
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Zandorf wrote...
Communism believes in the sharing of the wealth, while Capitalism believes in the fact that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.You good sir or madam need to spend more time reading what Communism and Capitalism really are. Your statement leads me to believe you are truly ignorant of either system.
To start you off (taken from wiki)
Capitalism is an economic system in which the means of production are privately owned and operated for profit
Communism is a social, political and economic movement that aims for an establishment of a classless and stateless communist society structured upon common ownership of the means of production, free access to articles of consumption, and which abolishes the end of wage labour and private property in the means of production and real estate.
The "rich get rich/poor get poorer" is a symptom of Corporatism, not capitalism.
The CIA set up Osama Bin Laden as a front to draw the Soviet Union into bankruptcy and eventually destroy the Communistic Russia.
The CIA did fund and train the Mujahideen but, it is debated amongst scholars that we helped "Afghan Arabs" during operation cyclone.
We then went into Saudi Arabia for oil, Osama's home country. He didn't like that, and then he turned against us.
He turned on the U.S because he was a Jihadist. Osama planned on carrying armed Jihad to other areas around the world. The Saudi Arabia bit was more of a slap in the face than the actual motivation.
I'm in favor of Washingtonian Foreign Policy, where America just worries about ourselves and no one else. Even Washington knew this was going to happen if America got caught into foreign affairs. That's why he wanted us to stay out of them.
It's called Non-interventionism and it's an unpopular foreign policy because American's think we need to stick our noses into the business of other countries. Either because of humanitarian reasons (Lybia), because we think someone needs their asses kicked (Afghanistan) or because someone in power points and says "They're bad men" (Iraq). Good to know there is another Non-interventionist around.
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Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
Spoiler:
You, my good man/woman, is the reason why I turned to Non-interventionism. You made me think of what the US was doing, and then came to the conclusion that we needed to be Non-interventionistic. I want to thank you for correcting me on Capitalism. But What I said about Communism is still kinda true. Communism is the spreading of the wealth. And you bring up other good points as well, which makes me seem uneducated. But I really thank you for correcting me.
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I think what zandorf is trying to say concerning bin aden is that the cia has stuck itself in too many places something that cannot be denied, as you can see from what u wrote up there
Concerning nonintervention, I refer to world war I and ii again.
I do agree however, that we have. been interfering in a large number of places
Concerning nonintervention, I refer to world war I and ii again.
I do agree however, that we have. been interfering in a large number of places